This is very true and I would say it is unnecessary to automatically equate 'not Jedi' with 'insanely evil'. But again, that might be getting into complications that Star Wars as a setting is not really greatly interested in.
Seeing as there is this general vibe that Jedi = always trying to do the right thing, then leaving them becomes suspect by default.
I would imagine that expulsion is the least of the problems one would face if a Jedi became evil, because that would make it a Dark Sider and a threat, someone to be stopped, not just expelled.
Obi-Wan suggests in AOTC that expulsion is the kind of punishment meted out for disobedience, not evil.
Originally posted by MasterAshenVoractually yes
Hay i was reading Wookieepedia.com and was reading about the Grey Jedi...and the Polentium or something like that....it sayed that Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order followed the teachings more of the GREY JEDI and not the Lightside Jedi of OBI WAN \ YodaIs it true that the New Jedi Order is all but a bunch of Grey Jedi?
Originally posted by Atticus
i honestly don't under stand please explain what you ment
if a jedi knight were ever expelled from the order, or a better way to describe it "exiled" it wouldnt be becuase he was evil, it would be a disciplinary action. Reasons for exile could be love, war crimes, unprovoked killing, etc etc. If they thought you were evil they would deal with you, if you were pissing them off, they would kick you out...make sense?
no while thats a good point but as the jedi use it for good and the sith for evil/
power and/or order
what about other things take the first hiper drive it ran on the force not for any of those resons that was made by a non jedi or non sith( witch makes me wonder why don't people know how to use the force?)but if the rakitata can do that. what makes you think people can't stepdown from the jedi and use the force to invent study the scince of the force?(with outserching for power).
or what if you if a jedi still supported the order but did want to be an active part of the jedi he might get exiled but he won't do any harm to the order
like jolee they leave the order but still have good intentions like i said they don't really have a chioce before training
Originally posted by AtticusThen they're not technically Jedi, your either with them or your not, you cant say "i dont want to be with them but i'll cheer them on" and still call yourself a jedi. you can be a jedi and study the science of the force, it would be actually better that way, as you have hands on expeirience, as opposed to not being to feel it, or use the power. Plo Koon was one such jedi that used the force, and study the sciences as well. for that reason alot of fanboys think he can run with the best of em in the versus forum 🙄
no while thats a good point but as the jedi use it for good and the sith for evil/
power and/or order
what about other things take the first hiper drive it ran on the force not for any of those resons that was made by a non jedi or non sith( witch makes me wonder why don't people know how to use the force?)but if the rakitata can do that. what makes you think people can't stepdown from the jedi and use the force to invent study the scince of the force?(with outserching for power).
or what if you if a jedi still supported the order but did want to be an active part of the jedi he might get exiled but he won't do any harm to the order
like jolee they leave the order but still have good intentions like i said they don't really have a chioce before training
either way tho, the Jedi and Sith are Black and white, and the Gray simply do not exist, nor could they exist functionally in the universe.
Perhaps maybe not upfront, but they dont have to continue they're training, and they can always go back back to their parents.
Originally posted by Tengu
, their actions could only be deemed right or wrong by pure opinion, which is universely what 'right' and 'wrong' is.
NOT in Star Wars. Star Wars is a simple morality tale- good and evil, light side and dark side. Simple as that.
Again, this is ridiculous over-complication in a setting where it does not belong.
Even Jedi that do not necessarily support the Council remain Jedi, because they know that is the right thing to do. A la Qui Gon.
Yea, but Ush, Lucas approves all EU material, and that would include the new attachment rule, or leniency of said rule. Maybe it was just because they were never taught how to deal with it. In essence, Yoda did the same in his two encounters with Dooku, (or 1 if you only care about the movies). Because of his attachment to Dooku, he let him escape and allowed the war to continue. Did Yoda go to the darkside? Not at all.
However I am quite familiar with Lucas' take on the subject that you speaking about.
Originally posted by Ushgarakand nobody is disputing that, im not at least, im saying out of generality that right and wrong is opinion, which it is.....
NOT in Star Wars. Star Wars is a simple morality tale- good and evil, light side and dark side. Simple as that.Again, this is ridiculous over-complication in a setting where it does not belong.
Even Jedi that do not necessarily support the Council remain Jedi, because they know that is the right thing to do. A la Qui Gon.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Yea, but Ush, Lucas approves all EU material, and that would include the new attachment rule, or leniency of said rule. Maybe it was just because they were never taught how to deal with it. In essence, Yoda did the same in his two encounters with Dooku, (or 1 if you only care about the movies). Because of his attachment to Dooku, he let him escape and allowed the war to continue. Did Yoda go to the darkside? Not at all.However I am quite familiar with Lucas' take on the subject that you speaking about.
Please read the noted thread. Lucas' 'approval' is in absolutely no way at all akin to plot inclusion in his own world.
GL is absolutely stone cold clear on that rule in both interview and movies. And that rule does not simply change. The EU that fails to reflect this is simply incorrect, as it is incorrect about many things.
Your example is ridiculous in the extreme. Yoda was simply doing the right thing. Geez.
I think Qui-Gon is an example of what you call "Gray Jedi".
Some Jedi do not agree fully with the Council, but it doesn`t make them evil- perhaps they don`t like to serve the Force restrained by working with goverment, and think that Jedi Code has some flaws. But they are still considered Jedi.
Dooku was kind of "Gray" Jedi as well before he turned to the Dark Side, but this example shows how easy it is to fall for such Jedi, even experienced one.
Still, I don`t think that every Jedi that falls in love goes to Darkside, there just such a huge risk that it is prohibited. What do you think, Ush?
Originally posted by The big EHactually yes [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=9190725]Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
[B]Hay i was reading Wookieepedia.com and was reading about the Grey Jedi...and the Polentium or something like that....it sayed that Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order followed the teachings more of the GREY JEDI and not the Lightside Jedi of OBI WAN \ YodaIs it true that the New Jedi Order is all but a bunch of Grey Jedi?
Grey Jedi? That doesn't sound right! The term used is Unifying Force, where Sith and Jedi weren't seperate and both sides of the force could be used...as long as it wasn't for personal gain, or something like that.
"The reality is that there is only the Force. It is above such petty concepts as positive and negative, black and white, good and evil." - Darth Sidious