New Jedi Order Grey Jedi?

Originally posted by mattatom
I swear this sounds like were discussing Cade in the last few posts.

Well, all Skywalkers had walked both sides of the force at some point in their lives, and then redeemed themselves...so perhaps the prophecy is directed at the whole Skywalker Clan.

Anakin - Vader

Luke - Served under Palpatine as well in DE

Ben - Not exactly, but when Jacen was turning, Ben followed for a brief period

Jacen Solo - Caedus

Jaina Solo - ok, but she's a solo, doesn't count really

Anakin Solo - died

Kol - not much is mentioned about him really

Nat - same as Kol

Cade - Trained under Talon for a brief period and redeemed himself

Only read up to Legacy/LoTF and NJO. So my knowledge base is pretty small.

Jaina Solo - ok, but she's a solo, doesn't count really

Does too- she fell to the DS for a while. (Almost)

Oh dear, why is THIS back?

You cannot use the Dark Side without falling to the Dark Side, so the argument that you can use both sides and just be chaotic neutral doesn't work with the Force.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Oh dear, why is THIS back?

You cannot use the Dark Side without falling to the Dark Side, so the argument that you can use both sides and just be chaotic neutral doesn't work with the Force.

I blame the KOTOR games' stupid Force scale for that erroneous belief. The games act like you can do evil deeds and just balance it out by saving a bus of orphans later on.

The game does seem to be the driving force behind the conception. "Give in to your anger and hate to generate a barrage of lightning to save those orphans. And don't forget their puppies!"

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Does too- she fell to the DS for a while. (Almost)

Lol, bit like Ben Skywalker then? or slightly more, or slightly less?

Originally posted by Captain RED
You cannot use the Dark Side without falling to the Dark Side, so the argument that you can use both sides and just be chaotic neutral doesn't work with the Force.

This is usually the idea, especially since most of the time you see someone fall they're turned by a sith who has some way to draw them in (prime example, as it's the most known, Palpatine befriending Anakin).

But, without proper guideance you won't necessarily turn to the dark side. Cade is an example, he didn't turn in legacy, he touches the dark side and toys with it, but hasn't turned. His fate is similar to the knights of the Unifying Force.

If I am angry at random villain X who has taken a bunch of hostages and I decide to stop him by frying his ass with lightning. Does that make me wrong? Is it righteous rage or blind evilness? It's Star Wars, so the latter is the correct answer; however I suspect that this is the question that many writers and game developers have asked themselves. Star Wars is indeed a limited setting when one gets down to it and so whenever an author tries to add some kind of moral complexity, it fails.

Indeed; most things where moral ambiguity shows up are not the greatest pieces of Star Wars literature ever. In fact, quite the opposite...

Cade has not fallen to the Dark Side because he is playing with it, but it looks as if he is sliding that way. He is selfish and angry and will do whatever it takes to get things his way. I won't be surprised if he falls to the Dark Side.

I agree with Barringer and Lucien, KOTOR and Jedi Outcast are driving forces here...

Originally posted by Captain REX
Indeed; most things where moral ambiguity shows up are not the greatest pieces of Star Wars literature ever. In fact, quite the opposite...

Cade has not fallen to the Dark Side because he is playing with it, but it looks as if he is sliding that way. He is selfish and angry and will do whatever it takes to get things his way. I won't be surprised if he falls to the Dark Side.

I agree with Barringer and Lucien, KOTOR and Jedi Outcast are driving forces here...

Well, Skywalkers have a tendency to do that...lol.

I believe that showing morality in characters is actually very effective, like in RotJ, when Luke is captured on the moon of endor. He confronts Vader with the prospect of turning back to the light, and Vader actually trys to avoid the subject, or pauses before replying. That shows that there is something left in him, and overall I believe thats the reason Vader kills the emperor, and obviously because he's half killing Luke...