Saw it again last sunday.
K....
On my earlier review I gave it a 4 out of 5. The film does deserve it. However, on the my second run...I didn't like the events near the end. Not saying how the film ended...but the direction the film took to come to the finish.
The Monster getting bombed and appear to be subdue was pretty cool. However, the monster knocking down the helicopter wasn't really necessary...the film really took a different direction by doing that...
I think it would have been much more acceptable if the helicopter was able to escape and for some reason the military confiscated the video footage.
The monster attacking the helicopter and then attacking Hud was rather all strech out.
Another thing that bother me...is like the group kept bumping into the monster. I felt like if the monster was following them.
Still a good film...but the second view helps get a different perspective.
An amount of coincidence is necessary in order for just about every film in existence to work; this is no exception.
The monster was aggravated and hurt by the bombing, and it just swatted at the first moving object that it saw (the helicopter).
The amount of time between when the monster actually swatted down the 'copter and ate Hud was quite a bit, evidenced by the fact that it's dark out when it attacks the helicopter, but light out when Hud is killed. So it wasn't as if the monster took down the helicopter with the intent of killing the people in it, it just knocked it down because it was upset from the bombings, and later it found the crash site (either by chance, or maybe because it followed the smoke, doesn't really matter) and attacked Hud who happened to be standing in front of it.
Also, the group saw the monster a total of about 4 or 5 times, mostly in an abstract manner off in the distance. Keep in mind, the passage of time in the movie is accelerated, the actual time passing from the beginning of the film to the end is about 8 hours, so considering the monster was just wandering around the area that whole time, that's about how often they probably would run into it statistically speaking. That aspect wasn't unrealistic at all.
They're already doing viral marketing stuff for a possible second.
"On March 20, a new viral marketing website (Possibly for Cloverfield 2) called MissingTeddyHanssen.blogspot.com had started up. It is run by Alyse Hanssen, Teddy's older sister, who is trying to find out how/why Teddy went missing back on December 7th 2007. During the course of her mission to find her brother, Alyse had tried contacting Tagruato, which ultimately led to her finding the mysterious viral website www.usgx8810b467233px.com which was originally created in February. Fans have found that the username for the site alysehanssen and the password 11112014349 (Same as the code on the seal of the DVD). Once you entered the website, there will be four categories. If the first one is clicked, it will feature a picture of the monster 916.2 m. under the surface of the oceans next to the descending Chuai station. The next picture is of the Chuai station reaching the bottom of the ocean (10027.5 m.) with the ocean floor covered with 9 or so parasites. This means that the parasites are entirely unrelated to the monster and only seem to us Clover as a source of mobilization. The third category is a transmission sent from the 'Atsumi' to sub 4707. The final category (Called the "Parent Directory..."😉 cannot be opened at the moment, though it might be unlocked sometime in the future.".
I checked the site out, pretty eerie.
For those who have zero idea what Tagruato is, do the research.
-AC
Originally posted by BackFire
An amount of coincidence is necessary in order for just about every film in existence to work; this is no exception.The monster was aggravated and hurt by the bombing, and it just swatted at the first moving object that it saw (the helicopter).
The amount of time between when the monster actually swatted down the 'copter and ate Hud was quite a bit, evidenced by the fact that it's dark out when it attacks the helicopter, but light out when Hud is killed. So it wasn't as if the monster took down the helicopter with the intent of killing the people in it, it just knocked it down because it was upset from the bombings, and later it found the crash site (either by chance, or maybe because it followed the smoke, doesn't really matter) and attacked Hud who happened to be standing in front of it.
Also, the group saw the monster a total of about 4 or 5 times, mostly in an abstract manner off in the distance. Keep in mind, the passage of time in the movie is accelerated, the actual time passing from the beginning of the film to the end is about 8 hours, so considering the monster was just wandering around the area that whole time, that's about how often they probably would run into it statistically speaking. That aspect wasn't unrealistic at all.
There lies a problem. When you allow a certain amount of coincidence in a film you're opening a can of worms. Why? because wacky theories start to build....
Is the Monster following the group? seems like it's doing that...
Why did the monster stopped to pose for Hud? The monster wanted to be camera or something? Is the monster trying to be famous?
The monster wants to be a Youtube Celeb? 😛
Of course this does not reduce the story of the film. Even thought there is the horrendous plot hole of why did the military get Lily in the first helicopter instead of Beth? As far as I understand Beth is the one who was impaled by the re bar. That requires medical attention. Injured people have priority. They skipped that part too soon.
Another thing that really switch me off was the parasite inside the building. They open the door as the group carries Beth and BOO! there is a surprise behind the door. You know what I'm talking about right? movies like The Ring or The Grudge employ those pop out scenes.
Parasite in the tunnels...very good.
Parasite in the upper floor of the building...cheesy.
As I mention earlier...a scene with a military person confiscating the camera from Hud would have kept this under a more realistic finale. Rather than the couple under the bridge saying goodbye.
But that's me and my observations.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
There lies a problem. When you allow a certain amount of coincidence in a film you're opening a can of worms. Why? because wacky theories start to build....Is the Monster following the group? seems like it's doing that...
Who's building the wacky theories? You. Not them.
I didn't come away from it with any outlandish theories, and even if I did, it'd be my own fault. It is entirely easy, realistic and acceptable to give an explanation of the events in this movie, mostly, and have none of them be outlandish. Backfire has done it, I've done it.
Not suggesting you're out of line for asking why things happen. I just think it's a bit odd to praise Cloverfield and then have an issue with wacky theories that you're creating on your own.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Why did the monster stopped to pose for Hud? The monster wanted to be camera or something? Is the monster trying to be famous?The monster wants to be a Youtube Celeb? 😛
It didn't pose, it inspected whatever it was looking at. Snakes do it to their prey, dogs do it to camera lenses. None of this is ridiculously outlandish.
I'll totally agree that this was the biggest "movie" moment, if you will. The one that was least likely to happen, but it's still not entirely out there.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Of course this does not reduce the story of the film. Even thought there is the horrendous plot hole of why did the military get Lily in the first helicopter instead of Beth? As far as I understand Beth is the one who was impaled by the re bar. That requires medical attention. Injured people have priority. They skipped that part too soon.
When a monster is attacking your city, more or less on top of you (It was right near them), I doubt you've got time to check for cuts and bruises. They pretty much herded her onto the helicopter first anyway. Rob and the others I mean. Priorities. You check for that when you're away and safe.
It just happened to be the order they were in.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who's building the wacky theories?
.
Anyone can make them. What I did is call an "example"....keep thinking this was address to you.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not suggesting you're out of line for asking why things happen. I just think it's a bit odd to praise Cloverfield and then have an issue with wacky theories that you're creating on your own.
You know why you find it odd? In your world either a thing is perfect or sucks. It's never in between or balance. You always wear the "swallow everything" goggles. I always keep a critical look on things. Learn from me one day.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It didn't pose, it inspected whatever it was looking at.
You know this? How?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Snakes do it to their prey, dogs do it to camera lenses. None of this is ridiculously outlandish.
Oh, yes! A giant Snake or behemoth dog was attacking the city. Not a creature from the sea. Great job!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When a monster is attacking your city, more or less on top of you (It was right near them), I doubt you've got time to check for cuts and bruises. They pretty much herded her onto the helicopter first anyway. Rob and the others I mean. Priorities. You check for that when you're away and safe.
Now you're making excuses like you did with The Hulk. HERE WE GO AGAIN FOLKS!
We're talking the military here son. They're suppose check for anything in moments of danger. There is NO excuse! Don't start with this again...AC!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It just happened to be the order they were in.-AC
Oh, yeah! I saw the big line of people waiting for the next helicopter. Uh-huh...keep going.
We get it. You like the film.
^ Great!, Another pissing contest 🙄
I really like this movie, despise of the ending, I agree with WD that a better ending will have them escape and the military confiscating the video, but that's just me, and since I don't make movies....😄
But I do understand the reason behind the ending, hearing then say goodbye and then, coming back to where it began, Lily and Rob on the Ferris Wheel saying what a wonderful day it was..
Another thing: Did it eat Hud? I remember it's body fell back down and we could see his face when the camera was on the ground....🤨
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Anyone can make them. What I did is call an "example"....keep thinking this was address to you.
Keep? I'm not thinking it's addressed to me, you replied to Backfire. What's your point?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You know why you find it odd? In your world either a thing is perfect or sucks. It's never in between or balance. You always wear the "swallow everything" goggles. I always keep a critical look on things. Learn from me one day.
I never said it's a perfect movie, or that it sucks, so that pretty much puts death on your theory, doesn't it?
You always wear the "See what I want to see in his posts, to aid my own argument." goggles, try not wearing those and you'll see that half the shit you debate against me for doesn't actually exist.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You know this? How?
...what?
Are you seriously suggesting the monster decided to post for the camera or were you being sarcastic? I assume sarcasm, but after experience with you, I'm not willing to give you the credit of knowing that it obviously didn't pose and was, in fact, inspecting. Hud was holding the camera up and it was leaning down, that's because Hud, if you didn't notice, was also where the camera was. It was sniffing him, then it lunged.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, yes! A giant Snake or behemoth dog was attacking the city. Not a creature from the sea. Great job!
How is that relevant? I was using it as an example of animalistic behaviour. Bears do it, mice do it, size isn't relevant to how an animal can act. Why do you always shit yourself and knee-jerk when I reply to you?
Just chill out, then you won't make as many mistakes.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Now you're making excuses like you did with The Hulk. HERE WE GO AGAIN FOLKS!
Why do you do this to yourself? Can't you just reply to me without being a child about you? You're a grown man, dude. Act like it.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We're talking the military here son. They're suppose check for anything in moments of danger. There is NO excuse! Don't start with this again...AC!
I'm not making excuses, you could be right, but you are acting like there is utterly no reason for them to not have checked. You could definitely argue that if they had waited it would have killed them all due to them being distracted.
NOW who's thinking in black and white? They definitely could have checked them but they definitely didn't due to a plot hole? I smell a hypocrite. Stop getting angry, just chill.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, yeah! I saw the big line of people waiting for the next helicopter. Uh-huh...keep going.
How does order imply a line of people?
Where in the definition does it say "Order of people can only exist if there's a line."? Two people can be in an order.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We get it. You like the film.
Funny, I'm willing to say that...hmm, no. I know for A FACT that you are only criticising it now because other people have. I guess that's like Batman & Robin isn't it?
Just say what you're expected to say Dwarf. The fanboy sheep all rolled into one.
You can't argue that's what you're doing, because I've decided that is what you're doing, and it must be true.
In all seriousness, you could have just replied without the infantile fear that comes with you seeing that I've questioned your ideas. Obviously I expected too much of a grown man to not act like a kid.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Keep? I'm not thinking it's addressed to me, you replied to Backfire. What's your point?
Yes my post was directed at Backfire. Why did you quoted me? You're calling me out. Not me...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said it's a perfect movie, or that it sucks, so that pretty much puts death on your theory, doesn't it?You always wear the "See what I want to see in his posts, to aid my own argument." goggles, try not wearing those and you'll see that half the shit you debate against me for doesn't actually exist.
No, because eventually you find excuses. Now take off those goggles. [sarcasm]Yeah, I wear the "See what I want to see in his posts, to aid my own argument" very original AC! Very Original [/sarcasm]
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you seriously suggesting the monster decided to post for the camera or were you being sarcastic?
Oh look! A bird flew over your head! LOOK!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I assume sarcasm, but after experience with you, I'm not willing to give you the credit of knowing that it obviously didn't pose and was, in fact, inspecting. Hud was holding the camera up and it was leaning down, that's because Hud, if you didn't notice, was also where the camera was. It was sniffing him, then it lunged.How do you know it was sniffing him? You making the assumption the monster did that...we don't know for sure.
[QUOTE=10519584]Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
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How is that relevant? I was using it as an example of animalistic behaviour. Bears do it, mice do it, size isn't relevant to how an animal can act. Why do you always shit yourself and knee-jerk when I reply to you?
How do you know this is an animal and not a mutant? How do you make connections with land animals and a sea creature? Take the evolution stick out of your butt.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Just chill out, then you won't make as many mistakes.
I did that in the first viewing....and?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why do you do this to yourself? Can't you just reply to me without being a child about you? You're a grown man, dude. Act like it.
Asking the same question to myself. Why do you this to yourself? You see me...you see me post a comment....you come out ready to duel. I would gladly act like an adult. But since I'm dealing with a Internet juvenile kid I have to speak to him in his dialect. Otherwise he won't understand.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not making excuses, you could be right
Yes, you are making excuses and I'm right. Deal with it...
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNOW who's thinking in black and white? They definitely could have checked them but they definitely didn't due to a plot hole? I smell a hypocrite. Stop getting angry, just chill.
All you do is paint people with an angry brush. I smell the hypocrite in you. Maybe it's you who is the angry person...that's why you feel the need to defend something.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny, I'm willing to say that...hmm, no. I know for A FACT that you are only criticising it now because other people have.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Just say what you're expected to say Dwarf. The fanboy sheep all rolled into one.
Don't confuse my ways with yours.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou can't argue that's what you're doing, because I've decided that is what you're doing, and it must be true.
In all seriousness, you could have just replied without the infantile fear that comes with you seeing that I've questioned your ideas. Obviously I expected too much of a grown man to not act like a kid.
-AC
Whatever, you Internet juvenile delinquent.
Someone should really take away your keyboard.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yes my post was directed at Backfire. Why did you quoted me? You're calling me out. Not me...
If it makes you feel good to assume that I am calling you out, do so, just don't accuse me of doing that.
I'm replying to a post, no need to make it more dramatic than it need be.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, because eventually you find excuses. Now take off those goggles. [sarcasm]Yeah, I wear the "See what I want to see in his posts, to aid my own argument" very original AC! Very Original [/sarcasm]
That is actually what you do, though, then I spend time giving you the credit of "If I actually make it entirely blatant to the point that he cannot put words into my posts, he'll see sense and stop doing it.", but you don't, and we end up here, cos you can't debate, discuss or anything.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh look! A bird flew over your head! LOOK!
Why are you acting like a baby? It was a civil question, you think that or you didn't. Like I said, I assumed it was you being sarcastic and that you don't actually believe it posed, but I don't assume anything with you.
Conveniently you edited that out to make it seem like I didn't take that into account, though.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
How do you know this is an animal and not a mutant? How do you make connections with land animals and a sea creature? Take the evolution stick out of your butt.
It would still be an animal, you silly boy. Just a mutant animal, and a mutant animal would still have animalistic instincts. A mutant is just a product of a mutation, not a species separate to animals. Unnatural circumstance or elements in natural beings doesn't make them no longer animals. The blue lobster is a mutant, an animal also.
Furthermore, what are you TALKING about? Fish do it, squid do it, dolphins do it. The inspect their prey.
Either way, this thing is clearly amphibious (That means both land and sea), so you're wrong to separate the two in this case anyway, since it is both. Now who's making excuses? You're looking for any excuse to find fault with this because everything is pointing to a logical possible conclusion.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I did that in the first viewing....and?
Peer pressure can exaggerate views.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Asking the same question to myself. Why do you this to yourself? You see me...you see me post a comment....you come out ready to duel. I would gladly act like an adult. But since I'm dealing with a Internet juvenile kid I have to speak to him in his dialect. Otherwise he won't understand.
If it makes you feel special to assume I give you that much attention in terms of it being that elaborate and dramatic rather than me treating you like I treat anybody here, then go for it. It flatters me that psychologically you view me as someone who validates your own importence.
I just don't understand why you can't treat it like two guys discussing a movie and be adult about it. Your last part about dialect is just ridiculous, because anybody can see I'm addressing you as I would anyone, and you're degerating into idiocy as usual.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yes, you are making excuses and I'm right. Deal with it...
Unless you can prove it with fact, the debate will remain open, I'm afraid. I wonder if Backfire had replied exactly the same way you would have replied the same way (You wouldn't have, I just push your buttons).
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
All you do is paint people with an angry brush. I smell the hypocrite in you. Maybe it's you who is the angry person...that's why you feel the need to defend something.
Not at all, the evidence is all there that you can't debate and need to get as irrelevant and personal as possible to avoid getting shown up, despite that route leading to you showing yourself up. All I've ever done is try to have a discussion, but you fear me, and I've accepted that. Perhaps it's my fault for giving you too much credit.
I may accept that blame.
You paint yourself with an angry brush.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You're making assumptions.
And you aren't? Everything you (Make yourself) see about me or my posts is somehow fact, yet when I do it, it's an assumption? Just so I know what level you're at.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Don't confuse my ways with yours.
Apparently I did. They're both the same, but yours are fact because they are yours, and mine aren't because they are mine. I see. Childish, but I see.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Whatever, you Internet juvenile delinquent.
Says the man who has steered what could have (And should have) been just a discussion about a movie into a discussion about me, again.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Someone should really take away your keyboard.
Here's my challenge/demand:
Try replying, just once, directly and relevantly about the movie, like I did initially. Try that, try not referencing me or me personally.
You can't do it because you can't debate.
-AC