Originally posted by Sado22
you know you're not making sense right? i mean....strongest grapple?
You made no sense either... You made like what you said meant something important, you do realise that Pauls Phoenix smasher is his 2nd strongest move, and was the basis for the burning fist anyways.
Originally posted by Sado22
TTT paul's ending. one punch put down Kuma. you'll tell me that its noncanon, but think of it as my "comet smasher" theory.
on top of all that Paul doesn't have a single scar on his body from fighting kuma so its obvious that he wasn't hardpressed. even after being smacked by Kuma JR. he was still not unconscious. the only reason he lost that fight was becasue he wasn't focused and too upset from what happened to him in T3.
besides, where is your proof that he was hard pressed.
Becuase of kuma's profile and ending in T4, a CANNON game...
And I don't use the Comet feat... So don't even attempt to pin that on me. Whenever I have brought up the comet thing, I have mentioned it being non canon, and have only used it in response to someone else using non-canon material, so drop it Sado.
Originally posted by Sado22
does ken break bones with holds and throws? no.
only the arm toss and the judo toss are similar to Ken's holds. aside from that NONE of pauls throws are like kens.
twist-and-shout, ultimate tackle, arm breaker, push away, the armbreaker throws...these are his holds and i'm not even getting into the the side and back throws.
also he has reversals that break the bones. does ken? no.
no dice.
First, prove it.
Second, I never said that ken had as many grapples, but thats Game Restriction.
And Paul in-game never broke any bones, otherwise his opponents would have useless arms for the rest of the fight... Come on Sado, give me an excuse for this.
Originally posted by Sado22
stop right there.
Why?
Originally posted by Sado22
okay...two moves. and?
Those two moves will overcome anything Paul's got in his arsenal due to priority and in in the case of the Shoryuken, invulnerability.
GET THE **** BACK ON TOPIC SADO!!!!! YOU SHOULD STOP THE FLAMING!!!!!!!!!
You made no sense either... You made like what you said meant something important, you do realise that Pauls Phoenix smasher is his 2nd strongest move, and was the basis for the burning fist anyways.
And I don't use the Comet feat... So don't even attempt to pin that on me. Whenever I have brought up the comet thing, I have mentioned it being non canon, and have only used it in response to someone else using non-canon material, so drop it Sado
First, prove it.
Second, I never said that ken had as many grapples, but thats Game Restriction
And Paul in-game never broke any bones, otherwise his opponents would have useless arms for the rest of the fight... Come on Sado, give me an excuse for this.
Why?
Those two moves will overcome anything Paul's got in his arsenal due to priority and in in the case of the Shoryuken, invulnerability
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
dude...get this throught your skull. i said he didn't use his strongest move. which is true, right? why don't you just admit that i was right so we can get somewhere like grown ups? you know i AM right because i've been talking about him not using his strongest punch since day one. the way you're talking its seems taht in yoru book there is no difference of power between hadouken and shinkuu hadouken. and irrespective of what you do or believe it doesn't change the fact that hadouken IS NOT stronger. so...own up.
No, I argued against it because you made itsound as though he demolishes boulders with a jab... "It's not his strongest move"
So what? unless he does it with a simple punch, and not a special, it beams about as much as your theory of Ryu being a weakling because he didn't down Hugo in a single move because he is of a lower tier.
Originally posted by Sado22
so you DO admit that you brought it up. hence what i said.
and what profile are you talking about? Kuma's T2 profile?
as for Kuma Jr. it was made clear that he only lost because he wasn't focused. so no dice.
No, I never said that... I said if I ever did EVER, it was in response to people using non-canon material. Read what I say, instead of allowing your imagination to run wiuld with conspiracy theories.
He still lost Sado, or do you plan to argue that too?
Originally posted by Sado22
Prove what? the half the movelist i tossed in your face just now? don't play dumb, darko. you're better than that. the moves i mentioned are ALL part of his movelist. they are his MOVES. you asking me to prove it is like me asking you to prove that Ryu does shinshoryuken.
but since i am a nice guy:
all you have to do is plug in your Ps or PS2 and start playing with paul, press start, select movelist and hit the X button. THAT is my proof.
No, I said prove Ken doesn't break bones...
Originally posted by Sado22
he has three. the arm toss, the judo leg toss and the knee kick thing. am i don't care about game restriction or what not....I could go around and tell you that Paul only has 10 throws because of game restriction. Ken has three and none of them involve bonebreaking reversals or bonebreaking tosses. Paul does. and if you don't believe me play the damn game, do his reversals or some of his throws and you'll see what i mean.
Getting knocked 45 feet into the air by a Shinryuken and landing on hard floors breaks bones Sado,I don't care if you have rubber bones or not.
Go ahead, you wanna debate the physics of that kind of fall? be my guest and open Pandora's box.
Originally posted by Sado22
play the game and then you'll see.
and your reasoning is retarded. its like me saying Ken doesn't do the flaming shoryuken because none of his opponents (ryu, sakura, karin, sean) appear toasted in the next game. 😆
Again, you failed to read what I said...
Breaking bones is loads more permamnent and immediate effecting than simply forching someones clothes temporarily.
Now, I'll repeat what I said
"And Paul in-game never broke any bones, otherwise his opponents would have useless arms for the rest of the fight... Come on Sado, give me an excuse for this."
This means, that if paul actually broke say... Lee's arm, would Lee be able to use that arm for the rest of THAT MATCH? Hell no... Go ahead, tell me how that gets around via game restriction... that arm should be anging limp at Lee's side if it where actually broken...
Or are you going to tell me that everyone in the Tekken Universe can now instantly heal broken bones?
Originally posted by Sado22
that's fanboy talk. priority will only be decided when they ACTUALLY fight or if Capcom and Namco actually make a real fighter. otherwise, your claim is baseless. and need i mention the bullet dodging which even Julia can (watch it again, watch when she jumps, and when the bullet hits the computer behind her...she dodget it clean).
i'm stating the properties of the technique as represented in the games Sado, thats not Fanboyism, thats called Research... You don't like it? don't debate.
And I already addressed that whole thing with Julia earlier... I'm not repeating myself, and you never replied to it.
Originally posted by Sado22
by saying that Paul will beat him?
sorry but i am not a adherent of the Church of Street Fighter.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
and your reasoning is retarded. its like me saying Ken doesn't do the flaming shoryuken because none of his opponents (ryu, sakura, karin, sean) appear toasted in the next game.
But no, it ISN'T a one hit thing.
Originally posted by FortressXRuler
Lee has nothing to do with this fight, make a Lee v.s. whoever thread.
In the context of what I was discussing, I was basing my example upon physics and anatomy.
Lee's capability to snap necks is just an example, same as if I had used Anna's double arm snap as an example too.
In either case both opponents should be incapacitated and down for the count, but they aren't.
Does saying that Ken would beat Paul in a one on one match automatically conscript me into said Church?
According to this kind of logic, if Lee pulls his neck breaking move in Tekken 3 then it's over. One hit move. Game, set and match.
No round twos or threes. Onto the next opponent. But no, it ISN'T a one hit thing.
No, I argued against it because you made itsound as though he demolishes boulders with a jab... "It's not his strongest move"
So what? unless he does it with a simple punch, and not a special, it beams about as much as your theory of Ryu being a weakling because he didn't down Hugo in a single move because he is of a lower tier
No, I never said that... I said if I ever did EVER, it was in response to people using non-canon material. Read what I say, instead of allowing your imagination to run wiuld with conspiracy theories.
He still lost Sado, or do you plan to argue that too?
No, I said prove Ken doesn't break bones...
we know Paul has or atleast can because:
-does paul have many moves the involve bonebreaking? yes.
-has he shown feats of strength of breaking walls, bones etc? yes.
i rest my case.
Getting knocked 45 feet into the air by a Shinryuken and landing on hard floors breaks bones Sado,I don't care if you have rubber bones or not.
Go ahead, you wanna debate the physics of that kind of fall? be my guest and open Pandora's box.
And Paul in-game never broke any bones, otherwise his opponents would have useless arms for the rest of the fight... Come on Sado, give me an excuse for this
This means, that if paul actually broke say... Lee's arm, would Lee be able to use that arm for the rest of THAT MATCH? Hell no... Go ahead, tell me how that gets around via game restriction... that arm should be anging limp at Lee's side if it where actually broken...
i'm stating the properties of the technique as represented in the games Sado, thats not Fanboyism, thats called Research... You don't like it? don't debate.
the bullets...i already said notice when the bullets hits the screen behind julia, when she does hte flip and when the sound of the bullet comes. if you know something about guns you'd understand that she CLEARLY dodged the first bullet.
~Sado
Grapples aren't the instant snap-your-spine-in-two grapples, alot of grapples can be reversed, leading to a deadly counter, so if Paul really wants to take the risk and continue using constant grapples and not focusing on not getting countered, whatever. Also, Ken dosen't need to use grapples if he is a veteran fighter, he can just counter Paul's moves using a Shoryuken, but I'm not saying grapples are bad though, or that a Shoryuken can take Paul down that easily.