Ken Masters v.s. Paul Phoenix

Started by FortressXRuler14 pages

Sado is going to explode with unimaginable blind fury.

Sado is going to explode with unimaginable blind fury.

😆
nah man...i don't lose my cool very easily. and shinLemy is a type of guy who becomes a fixed person in your life...everytime you dont know how to break the ice just start to people about a japanese guy who lists things like breaking bones, amazing throws, rock shattering punches for a fighter and then laughs at the idea of him winning agianst one who has NONE of them. he is the sure fire icebreaker.
overtime you'll be laughing at him too....that is if you aren't already.

I also fell three meters and cleanly snapped my upper right arm bones in half. Still have the scars to prove it.

i believe you. but can we please keep real life people out of this. this is a videogame where people shoot beams out of their foreheads, have the weirdest hairstyles in the world, have pandas and bears as best friends and go to highschool with them. 😆
lets start again:
-kazuya fell into a bottomless ravine as a child and lived
-hachi fell into teh same ravine at the age of 53.
-hachi was caught dead centre in a massive explosion that levelled the top of a hill and a hugeass temple in it that sent shockwaves strong enough to make large helicoptors sway....and he survived it without as much as a scar or a burn.
-on top of all that he was stuck under a grave for more than 2 months right after this and still survived.
-Paul fought and KO'd a bear on three occassions.

now......how many of these do you classify as "NORMAL PEOPLE"? so once again, keep real life phsycis out of a videogame.

Simply because you've gone through a fall like that unscathed doesn't mean others do unconditionally, Sado. A forty-foot fall does have the potential to break bones and probably will if they land wrong.
I'm going to assume you landed on your feet and absorbed the shock by rolling.

no i landed on my back/side. don't ask me how, but i was only stunned for a few mintues. then i just got up and started walking....unsteadily, but walking nonetheless. I've also broken my neck, got hit by a car, burnt my arm, dropped boiling water on my arm, stabbed in the side of my head and other things...and i've a scar for each 😄

but again....we are talking everything BUT normal people.

soooo Sado thinks Paul can beat Ken cause he can shatter a boulder or a rock?? and has some nice throws that can brake bones ?? are these the reason why Paul should beat Ken ??HILARIOUS!!!!!!

how about you read over what i have been saying? but then again your engRish obviously prevents you from doing that.
so you're telling me that since Paul can break rocks (and ken hasn't), has more experience (which ken doesn't), has great throws and reversals (which ken doesn't), is capable of breaking bones (which again ken doesn't) and has a vast variety of combination and other attacks (which again ken doesnt)....that ken should beat Paul?
how about you stop wasting thread space with your shitty onelines, remy. if you wanna debate come in and debate. no one has time for your stupid oneliners. tell me why Ken would beat Paul and i'm ready to listen.

oh and for f--k sake, please keep the comics out of this because THEY ARE NOT CANON. wakarou ka? 🙂

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22

how about you read over what i have been saying? but then again your engRish obviously prevents you from doing that.

response normal!! don't attack, if you have attitude problems, fix them please

Originally posted by Sado22

so you're telling me that since Paul can break rocks (and ken hasn't),

1. Cause ken never brake a rock, doesn't mean he can't.

2. Yeah because of a punch you think he can win from ken right ?

Originally posted by Sado22

has more experience (which ken doesn't),

why ? cause he is older and fought the Ogre or Jin right? Ogre is a noob to me sorry bout that

Originally posted by Sado22

has great throws and reversals (which ken doesn't),

f-ck that throw, how bout this --> Ken can shoot Fireballs, has Shoryukens, tatsumaki's, Shinryuuken, Shoryu reppa, Shippu Jinrai Kyaku , LET PAUL TRY TO GRAB KEN

Originally posted by Sado22

is capable of breaking bones (which again ken doesn't) and has a vast variety of combination and other attacks (which again ken doesnt)....that ken should beat Paul?

- BS Ken is able to brake bones, he can even do worser then that, you know it, don't play Dumb

- variety of combo's ???? don't make me laugh, Ken has more, his Super Arts!!

- Ken will pwn Paul, Paul is overrated, i like him

Originally posted by Sado22

how about you stop wasting thread space with your shitty onelines, remy. no one has time for your stupid oneliners. tell me why Ken would beat Paul and i'm ready to listen.

how about that you response normal again ?

Originally posted by Sado22

oh and for f--k sake, please keep the comics out of this because THEY ARE NOT CANON.

~Sado

don't care if they are not canon or not

response normal!! don't attack, if you have attitude problems, fix them please

i don't. but don't think that you can flame me and i'll sit there and let you.

1. Cause ken never brake a rock, doesn't mean he can't.

correction: broke
maybe he can, maybe he can't. fact of the matter is we haven't seen him do it and so your argument cannot be used. because Paul has fire in his punches....does it mean that he can shoot a projectile? i mean after all, maybe he can right? but i'm not using it since he hasn't shown the ability to do so. same with ken. don't tell me stuff like MAYBE. i don't care. tell me things he CAN do and has been SHOWN to do. not stuff he might do if he prays hard enough.

2. Yeah because of a punch you think he can win from ken right ?

tell me something....is that the only reason why i said Paul would win?
and i answer: no.
it only shows that Paul is stronger. and at the moment you have rebuttles to offer. so i am right.

why? cause he is older and fought the Ogre or Jin right? Ogre is a noob to me sorry bout that

Ogre is the god of fight...............and at the very least at least Paul isn't beating up n00bs like Sean, Sakura and Karin. Ken only good fight was with Ryu and Bison (where he was getting help). aside from that Ken has only beaten nobodies and nameless buggers.
and again, i didn't say Paul would beat Ken because he is older.
i said it makes him more experienced. and it is true. tell me, isn't it? he is 48 years old and has been fighting since childhood=more experienced.

f-ck that throw, how bout this --> Ken can shoot Fireballs, has Shoryukens, tatsumaki's, Shinryuuken, Shoryu reppa, Shippu Jinrai Kyaku , LET PAUL TRY TO GRAB KEN

remy, posting his movelist isn't proving anything. I could post the whole 60 something moves of Paul and ask you to prove what ken can do against it. stop being such a baby.
have you even played tekken? Paul's speed in grappling is remarkable.
Fireballs, don't matter as i've said many times before. these people can dodge bullets at ease, kinda like your precious ryu.
shoryuken.....can be countered easily. tatsumaki senpukyaku...same thing. easy to counter.
as for the rest, Paul has enough experience to deal with them too.

- BS Ken is able to brake bones, he can even do worser then that, you know it, don't play Dumb

correction: worse not worser
correction2: break not brake
no i don't know it because Ken has never shown at ANY TIME that he can.

- variety of combo's ???? don't make me laugh, Ken has more, his Super Arts!!

are they 10 hits that take 100% of your life? no they aren't. no dice. how about a punch that takes 100% of your life? he doesn't.

don't care if they are not canon or not

well you should.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
i don't. but don't think that you can flame me and i'll sit there and let you.

show me where i flamed you

Originally posted by Sado22

maybe he can, maybe he can't. fact of the matter is we haven't seen him do it and so your argument cannot be used.

yes i have seen him do it, in svc

Originally posted by Sado22

because Paul has fire in his punches....does it mean that he can shoot a projectile? i mean after all, maybe he can right? but i'm not using it since he hasn't shown the ability to do so. same with ken. don't tell me stuff like MAYBE. i don't care. tell me things he CAN do and has been SHOWN to do. not stuff he might do if he prays hard enough.

youre funny 😆 you use this logic often

Originally posted by Sado22

Ogre is the god of fight...............and at the very least at least Paul isn't beating up n00bs like Sean, Sakura and Karin. Ken only good fight was with Ryu and Bison (where he was getting help). aside from that Ken has only beaten nobodies and nameless buggers.
and again, i didn't say Paul would beat Ken because he is older.
i said it makes him more experienced. and it is true. tell me, isn't it? he is 48 years old and has been fighting since childhood=more experienced.

1. i was not surprised when you would make a comeback with ''OMGOSH Ogre is God of Fight'' never learned here on thos forum that God is just a name, and a REAL GOD WON'T DIE and espacialy from a young mortal --> Jin

2. Ken was as strong Ryu were in Alpha, maybe even stronger, in Sf 2 he beated Ryu. in sf 3 third strike he beated Urien, and Urien is NOT a NOBODY!!!

3. he is older and he is slower then Ken

Originally posted by Sado22

remy, posting his movelist isn't proving anything. I could post the whole 60 something moves of Paul and ask you to prove what ken can do against it.

My point was very clear, stop talking about his throws, Ken has enough powerfull attacks and counters, and if you think that were his only moves you were wrong, cause even a normal punch has a name. Paul is not the only one with many moves, and ken has more stronger attacks then Paul!!!

Originally posted by Sado22

Fireballs, don't matter as i've said many times before. these people can dodge bullets at ease, kinda like your precious ryu.

BS i never saw Paul do it. Don't post stuff like HE CAN MAYBE DO IT, Cause paul never done it. Show me where he dodged a bullet.

HAHAHA your logic that you often use!!

Originally posted by Sado22

shoryuken.....can be countered easily. tatsumaki senpukyaku...same thing. easy to counter.
as for the rest, Paul has enough experience to deal with them too.

in your dreams pal, paul is to basic sorry, and if Ken times correctly or when Paul tries to do his precious Throw or wants to use his strongest punch, Paul is F-cked

Besides : IF you can counter. Paul is slow as hell, he can't catch up

Originally posted by Sado22

are they 10 hits that take 100% of your life? no they aren't. no dice. how about a punch that takes 100% of your life? he doesn't.

yeah 100% life of in the weak Tekken Universe. Doesn't mean it would happen in the Sf Universe. And 10 punches that finish your life is game restriction

All I gotta say that while Paul can reverse all day long Ken can parry all day long as well.

*Jumps out of this thread*

2-D fighters only list a characters special or supers moves whilst 3-D fighters list: Normals, Combo's, Specials, Death/super moves. So, saying Paul has more moves is a faulty argument.

2-D fighters only list a characters special or supers moves whilst 3-D fighters list: Normals, Combo's, Specials, Death/super moves. So, saying Paul has more moves is a faulty argument.

true somewhat. but even the command attacks of Paul are a lot more. burning fist, elbow smash, hammer ofthe gods, shoudlertackle, shredder, neutron bomb, are all of his "special" moves and already are more than Ken's or Ryu's or anyone from SF. and these are the ones of the top of my head...there is more where they come from. the throws are another story.

show me where i flamed you

read over the thread. all your references to me are all flames.

yes i have seen him do it, in svc

null point. comics don't count.

you use this logic often

like when?

1. i was not surprised when you would make a comeback with ''OMGOSH Ogre is God of Fight'' never learned here on thos forum that God is just a name, and a REAL GOD WON'T DIE and espacialy from a young mortal --> Jin

but sure...Ryu can make Bison run away all day...but that's okay.
and for the record Jin is a hybrid so at least he gets some credit for doing what he does.
and for the record, thep oint was that Paul has stiff competition. not school girls and rookies like Ken. Paul is also a national hero and undefeated for 48 years. Ken is none of these.

2. Ken was as strong Ryu were in Alpha, maybe even stronger, in Sf 2 he beated Ryu. in sf 3 third strike he beated Urien, and Urien is NOT a NOBODY!!!

correction: beated is not a word
Urien and Ken's fight is not confirmed and I've been asking you to prove it since day one. where is the proof, lemy?

3. he is older and he is slower then Ken

he is slower, yes. but he is older and stronger.

My point was very clear, stop talking about his throws, Ken has enough powerfull attacks and counters, and if you think that were his only moves you were wrong, cause even a normal punch has a name. Paul is not the only one with many moves, and ken has more stronger attacks then Paul!!!

three things:
-how does Ken have stronger attacks?
-I've listed at least 10 "special" moves of Paul that aren't basic punches and attacks in my reply to Emperor. these are just off the top of my head.
-emperor ashtar told you to stop using exclamation marks all the time cuz as retarded as you are, you aren't a comic book character....yet

BS i never saw Paul do it. Don't post stuff like HE CAN MAYBE DO IT, Cause paul never done it. Show me where he dodged a bullet.

i am not talking about paul. as for the "maybe stuff" you are the one who said Ken MAY break a rock in pure speculation. stop being a hypocrite.

in your dreams pal, paul is to basic sorry, and if Ken times correctly or when Paul tries to do his precious Throw or wants to use his strongest punch, Paul is F-cked

and now we are discussing "what ifs". dude, if Paul times his burning fist right he can KO ken in ONE MOVE. that's not even an exaggeration since Paul and Jinpachi are the only two characters that have a 100% damaging supers if timed right. and guess what...I AM USING A REAL EXAMPLE. unlike you.

Besides : IF you can counter. Paul is slow as hell, he can't catch up

your lame hyperbole again. Paul isn't "slow as hell". he is not as fast as Ken but he isn't slow. besides he has enough experience in dealing with fast fighters because of his constant sparring with Marital and Forest Law....kung fu users. Ken isn't faster than those two.

yeah 100% life of in the weak Tekken Universe. Doesn't mean it would happen in the Sf Universe. And 10 punches that finish your life is game restriction

sure...in a game where a guy with 3 moves is the hero. 😆
talking of game restriction.... 😆

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
true somewhat. but even the command attacks of Paul are a lot more. burning fist, elbow smash, hammer ofthe gods, shoudlertackle, shredder, neutron bomb, are all of his "special" moves and already are more than Ken's or Ryu's or anyone from SF. and these are the ones of the top of my head...there is more where they come from. the throws are another story.

Okay, but still unless you've counted every move ken has it's up in the air.

-Standing Normals
-Close Normals
-Crouching Normals
-Jump in Normals
-Vertical Jump Normals
-Special Move
-Ex moves
-Super arts

Note: There are six type's of hits for each set of normals and so far I named five sets of normals. 5 X 6= 30 moves so far.

Originally posted by Sado22

sure...in a game where a guy with 3 moves is the hero. 😆
talking of game restriction.... 😆

Ryu has Six Special moves:

-Hadouken
-Shoryuken
-Tatsumaki Senpu Kyaku
-Senpuu Kyaku
-Joudan Sokutou Geri
-Close strong

Originally posted by Sado22
true somewhat. but even the command attacks of Paul are a lot more. burning fist, elbow smash, hammer ofthe gods, shoudlertackle, shredder, neutron bomb, are all of his "special" moves and already are more than Ken's or Ryu's or anyone from SF. and these are the ones of the top of my head...there is more where they come from. the throws are another story.

and how many super attacks ?

Originally posted by Sado22

read over the thread. all your references to me are all flames.

BS i only have said :

''you underrate Ken'',

then you responded with,

''you should shut the f-ck up''

and then i said :

you should read the ''How to make Games vs forum a better place '' thread 😐

Originally posted by Sado22

null point. comics don't count.

aaah to bad we couldn't use noncanon stuff right, cause then it was unfair for Paul 😛

besides nobody said we couldn't use noncanon stuff only you

Originally posted by Sado22

but sure...Ryu can make Bison run away all day...but that's okay.
and for the record Jin is a hybrid so at least he gets some credit for doing what he does.
and for the record, thep oint was that Paul has stiff competition. not school girls and rookies like Ken. Paul is also a national hero and undefeated for 48 years. Ken is none of these.

1 never said Bison was a god like you were claiming that Ogre was a so called ''God'' who lost from a young mortal 🙄

2. Paul is a hero, and Ken is popular and still strong, and has a family and can get all the women, is the richest man in the world

Paul is none of these 😐

Originally posted by Sado22

Urien and Ken's fight is not confirmed

you are funny sado 😆 like you said how Ryu lost from Hugo cause it wasn't confirmed that Ryu won 🙄

Originally posted by Sado22

he is slower, yes. but he is older and stronger.

Ken has no weak punches since his punches can break a cyborgs jaw. His hands are burning, it says enough

Originally posted by Sado22

three things:
-how does Ken have stronger attacks?

Super attacks for example, cause paul can hit hard doesn't mean he can Ko everybody in the sf universe,

BALROG KILLS AN ELEPHANT WITH A PUNCH, yet Ken can easily take him out

Originally posted by Sado22

i am not talking about paul. as for the "maybe stuff" you are the one who said Ken MAY break a rock in pure speculation. stop being a hypocrite.

no i was asking,

WHEN DID Paul DODGE A BULLET, since you said everybody in Tekken could do that, even the lowtiers!!!

Originally posted by Sado22

and now we are discussing "what ifs". dude, if Paul times his burning fist right he can KO ken in ONE MOVE. that's not even an exaggeration since Paul and Jinpachi are the only two characters that have a 100% damaging supers if timed right. and guess what...I AM USING A REAL EXAMPLE. unlike you.

still doesn't mean it would work on Ken or any other Street Fighter

Originally posted by Sado22

your lame hyperbole again. Paul isn't "slow as hell". he is not as fast as Ken but he isn't slow. besides he has enough experience in dealing with fast fighters because of his constant sparring with Marital and Forest Law....kung fu users. Ken isn't faster than those two.

Martial and Forest Law???? why using this in the debate ?? i also don't say that Guy is faster then anybody else ?

Ken wins cause Ken faster, has super attacks he can use when Paul F-cks up, and the strongest punch of paul is also very slow!!!!

Originally posted by Sado22
null point. comics don't count.

If it's got Capcom's approval to publish, it's a certified source.

Originally posted by Sado22
i said [b]SINGLE punch, darko.
and the rest of what you say helps me proove my point. he smashed rocks to bits with not even 1/3 of his power.[/B]

2/3rds actually... Read what I said.

Originally posted by Sado22
which one of us is spewing BS now? i've been mentioning the SINGLE punch since day one. its impressive because Paul isn't using ki or something to pull that punch off. he's using his own power without any ki. hence its impressive....and still a basic karate straight punch "in theory" since he isn't using ki projectiles, electricity and what not.

Actually it is, have a look at it'simpack, See that bright yellow flash? the same flash that appearsover the burning fist?

Thats right, a circular flame sprite thats UNIQUE to Paul. The only reason it doesn't appearbefore the impact like the Burning Fist, is because that symbolises an Unblockable.

Originally posted by Sado22
for the last time...i said SINGLE punch. and read what i said above regarding basic punches.
and for the record, a simple punch would be any of the basic punches including jab, straight, hook, uppercut.

So the Burning fist is also a simple punch to you then?

Originally posted by Sado22
i rarely ever flame someone and if i do its usually in retaliation. if i start a flame, i'll be the first to apologize too. no need to make this personal.

You have flamed Me a few times, you've never really stopped flaming Remy...

Originally posted by Sado22
what? i am talking about fighters because that is what we are talking about dark. no one brought in a little kid or some pansy down the road. we are talking about fighters. Paul's movelist involves breaking bones. Ken's dont. Paul has been shown shattering rock and boulders to bits with a [b]SINGLE punch. ken...not really.
counter the above and then come and talk. again, keep reality out of it.[/B]

Ok then, hows about this, ken has been known to take on people who can perform great destructive feats...

Thats A>B>C logic though, and I hate it...

And as for realism of Pauls moves, see below.

Originally posted by Sado22
god....THIS is what i've been saying since day one. i can't proove what happened in fights, darko, because Namco never give details. however, the fact that Paul has better throws and can break bones is a FACT DIRECTLY TAKEN FROM HIS CANON ENDING FEATS AND HIS MOVELIST. stop playing the retard.

The only thing he's done in his endings is:
A- Wreck his bike
B- Get Arrested
C-use a Phoenix Smasher to break rock, and a brick wall with an alien pic on it.

Nothing in his endings or cutscenes indicate bonebreaking.

Originally posted by Sado22
in a game where Namco characters have never been there. in a game which has an unrealistic 2D envirnoment. when will you stop smoking whatever it is your smoking and listen to what i'm saying since day one?
you proved nothing so far.

But I just did, your claiming that Namco characters get special treatment where other companies don't now?

Your making less and less sense Sado.

Originally posted by Sado22
because bullets don't go out instanteously, darko. if she jumped and the moment the bullet hit behind her at that moment, then its obvious that the bullet was fired BEFORE she jumped.

That requires either Precognition, or reflexesthat work by the nonsecond, Both of which require further confirmation to provewhat that ability is.

Otherwise it's a oneoff and is not an indicator of ability.

Anyways, why in the hell is Julia being brought up?

Originally posted by Sado22
i rarely ever flame someone

You've done it in this thread, haven't you?

That's like saying that there's only a small leak when actually you flooded a basement, Sado. Nothing like denial.

I may be arrogant, insulting and condescending but at least I acknowledge it instead of attempting to put on the "Mr. Upright Civil Member" suit and trying to deny it all.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Anyways, why in the hell is Julia being brought up?

An in-world and between-world comparison, I suppose.

Will someone link me this video so I can see the so called bullet dodge for myself?

You are.

It's like everyone versus Sado.

I'm not going against Sado, It's that ***** Prick DarkC and shin_remy, who I have nothing against.

Shin Remy?

Go to pages 4-7 I think, they were going back and forth really well.

No, I mean what do you have against Remy. It seems eveyone is always flaming that guy for no reason.

Originally posted by FortressXRuler
I'm not going against Sado, It's that ***** Prick DarkC and shin_remy, who I have nothing against.

So I'm apparently a "***** Prick" for what?
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
It seems eveyone is always flaming that guy for no reason.

That's a pretty hasty generalization, don't you think?

There's really two majorly against Sado's opinion from what I've seen and those are Darkstorm and shin_remy.

I've disagreed with a few of his statements. That's not even coming close to an extensive debate, let alone flaming.