I am still going with Classic Ion and Parallax for the win
I have the COIE and i have read Darthgoobers take on matters,here is his take in this thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8018924&highlight=Anti+monitor+forumid%3A77+userid%3A99400#post8018924
I am not speaking for Darthgoober or trying to bring him into this(he might have changed his stance?) and since i have not read my countdown comics yet(i think there is some retconning going on) i might be wrong
Supergirl nearly killed AM-Qwad weapons hurt him,Flash Etc..
He used up all his power from his anti-matter universe to get to the creation point in time(begining of time) and needed all the heroes energy to succeed
He then fights spectre-who is tapping into a group of mages in order to defeat the AM-which he does...but not totally...AM is still alive after and spectre is in a coma-i beleive its PIS to Have spectre involved and not totally defeat the AM
I am not saying i totally agree with Darthgoobers theory about weaker universes,but it his take on this does show(to me) that the AM is not all he is hyped up to be on these boards, having the original COIE and re-read it....i am saying that classic ION and Parallax will defeat the AM
Originally posted by starlock
I have the COIE and i have read Darthgoobers take on matters,here is his take in this thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8018924&highlight=Anti+monitor+forumid%3A77+userid%3A99400#post8018924
Thats a great bit of work there.
Many of DG's theories that AM only absorbed one true Universe are somewhat null-in-void, especially after the recent evidence regarding the original Multiverse being composed of an "infinite" amount of Universes was revealed:
And also this little tidbit...
Phantom Stranger comments on Spectre's energy, [and this was after Spectre had just unleashed his creation destroying blast on AM]...
Phantom Stranger-
"To summon the essence of the still comatose Spectre, to bring forth his infinite energies":
Yet even an "infinite" amount of energy, still wasn't enough to destroy AM..
Originally posted by Galan007
Many of DG's theories that AM only absorbed one true Universe are somewhat null-in-void, especially after the recent evidence regarding the original Multiverse being composed of an "infinite" amount of Universes was revealed:And also this little tidbit...
Phantom Stranger comments on Spectre's energy, [and this was after Spectre had just unleashed his creation destroying blast on AM]...
Phantom Stranger-
"To summon the essence of the still comatose Spectre, to bring forth his [b]infinite
energies":Yet even an "infinite" amount of energy, still wasn't enough to destroy AM.. [/B]
I had a feeling countdown was going over stuff i have not read all my countdowns....that being said i can understand supergirl going out with a showing greater than she could normally do..but when you add the other factors that hurt AM...there has to be pis somewhere....now they could have left out other scenes of the AM looking bad but they did not, so we have either many instances of pis or one
So i think the spectre's showing are pis...his involvement was just to show what the stakes were
Its just my opinon and it might be changed...but it has nothing to do with weaker universes and powers of the universe and such..it has to do with re-reading the COIE and seeing alot of things that did not fit...so i say i will take the spectre involvement as pis rather than many instances of pis thruout the series
Originally posted by Galan007Also if you read this scan a little closer, you'll note a Guardian saying...
And for all those saying the team wins, I urge you to look at this...AM 'warps' the energies of the Central Battery, [Ion and Parallax's main power source], and uses it against the Guardians:
"We discovered it's, [AM's], presence twelve cycles ago. Power insinuating our Universe..."
"Power which has already swept through most of the other dimensional planes.":
The boldened line further disproves the theory of all the Universes being one in the same, imo.
Originally posted by starlockYou may think Spectre's involvement was PIS, but it was also necessary. As Spectre was the only being who had a chance of beating AM..
I had a feeling countdown was going over stuff i have not read all my countdowns....that being said i can understand supergirl going out with a showing greater than she could normally do..but when you add the other factors that hurt AM...there has to be pis somewhere....now they could have left out other scenes of the AM looking bad but they did not, so we have either many instances of pis or oneSo i think the spectre's showing are pis...his involvement was just to show what the stakes were
Its just my opinon and it might be changed...but it has nothing to do with weaker universes and powers of the universe and such..it has to do with re-reading the COIE and seeing alot of things that did not fit...so i say i will take the spectre involvement as pis rather than many instances of pis thruout the series
Originally posted by Galan007
You may think Spectre's involvement was PIS, but it was also necessary. As Spectre was the only being who had a chance of beating AM..
That does not make sense to me,if AM was powerless after getting to the creation point...and if the heroes never went there...he would never have been a threat...right? he needed the heroes..he basicly out preped them... and they got drained
So supergirls chance was what when she almost destroyed him?
You dont find it weird that AM had only the heroes power as stated by him and spectre needed to tap into the mages...and AM still survived..his plans were thwarted ,but AM still came back as a threat
I admit i am only trying to understand it myself,i actually value your opinons,it hard for me to let go of the idea that pis is definetly involved in the series its just where it interferes with feats and power levels,i really dont think spectre needed to tap into the mages and that AM was not totally destroyed by it
Yo.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Batterys don't fight back 131
which doesnt mean much since he took down the Oans along w/the CPB, and had them trapped & suspended by *IIRC* its energies, only to be released (and some killed upon release) when some members of the GLC entered the central chamber.
Tazer
Originally posted by starlockAM clearly had more power in him then just that of the heroes, or else Spectre's creation destroying blast would have utterly destroyed him.
That does not make sense to me,if AM was powerless after getting to the creation point...and if the heroes never went there...he would never have been a threat...right? he needed the heroes..he basicly out preped them... and they got drainedSo supergirls chance was what when she almost destroyed him?
You dont find it weird that AM had only the heroes power as stated by him and spectre needed to tap into the mages...and AM still survived..his plans were thwarted ,but AM still came back as a threat
I admit i am only trying to understand it myself,i actually value your opinons,it hard for me to let go of the idea that pis is definetly involved in the series its just where it interferes with feats and power levels,i really dont think spectre needed to tap into the mages and that AM was not totally destroyed by it
Now if one thing is PIS, it's Supergirl "nearly destroying AM".
DC was losing her and probably wanted a grand finale, but we know that she couldn't have really "nearly destroyed" AM, based on what he survived from Spectre.
Also, a few pages after the Supergirl incident, AM had already reformed a new shell around himself.
Originally posted by Galan007
AM clearly had more power in him then just that of the heroes, or else Spectre's creation destroying blast would have utterly destroyed him.Now if one thing is PIS, it's Supergirl "nearly destroying AM".
DC was losing her and probably wanted a grand finale, but we know that she couldn't have really "nearly destroyed" AM, based on what he survived from Spectre.
Also, a few pages after the Supergirl incident, AM had already reformed a new shell around himself.
This is why i love this site hehe,much props Galaan0007 🙂
But AM saying he only had the heroes power ..he says he was powerless because he would have did his deed without them...so i think that lends credit that spectre's involvement was pis
I would agree with your assesment on supergirl..if the qwardranians did not hurt AM and flash's involment also.etc..they could have left that stuff out(not supergirls feats) and i might tend to agree
Ultimalely he was beaten by earth 2 superman,and all i would have to do is call spectre's involment pis and that solves alot of problems with one character....other wise alot of characters were involved in pis moments
But that is the great thing about debating...we all have our way of coming to a point of view and in that we can understand why each of us have different views and we might disagree..but ultimaly we are in agreement that COIE was a great event and that counts for our love of comics
Originally posted by Galan007
Many of DG's theories that AM only absorbed one true Universe are somewhat null-in-void, especially after the recent evidence regarding the original Multiverse being composed of an "infinite" amount oUniverses was revealed:
Not a theory. FACT. All the positive matter universes were brought into teh Anti-Matter Universe and then AM absorbed it.
And also this little tidbit...Phantom Stranger comments on Spectre's energy, [and this was after Spectre had just unleashed his creation destroying blast on AM]...
Phantom Stranger-
"To summon the essence of the still comatose Spectre, to bring forth his [b]infinite energies":
A LOT of cosmic beings have infinite energy. This has already been pointed out to you several times.
Yet even an "infinite" amount of energy, still wasn't enough to destroy AM.. [/B]
Just like A-M destroyed an infinite number of universes one by one..DC's infinite sucks.
