Handbooks really don't mean anything around here, pretty much everybody knows that the stats in them are wrong alot of the time. Sure they're pretty cool to buy, but they aren't 100% solid proof, if that's what you're basing your entire arguement off of, you're barking up the wrong tree.
On-panel feats, that's pretty much the best way of backing up your arguement, without them nobody can tell whether you're bullshitting or not.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Handbooks really don't mean anything around here, pretty much everybody knows that the stats in them are wrong alot of the time. Sure they're pretty cool to buy, but they aren't 100% solid proof, if that's what you're basing your entire arguement off of, you're barking up the wrong tree.On-panel feats, that's pretty much the best way of backing up your arguement, without them nobody can tell whether you're bullshitting or not.
I know that mate, I know that. The Marvel handbooks are off on a lot of things, but they give us a good idea of what Warpath's powers are.
Like I said. If no one's willing to tell me how I can get scans off my comics on the board, I don't have a way of providing pictures of Warpath's speed/reflexes.
But then again, I shouldn't really have to. It's not like I'm demanding that you guys show me feats of Hercules' strength. Why don't I do that? Because I'm not a god damn idiot. You've both read the latest uncanny x-men, so you've seen Warpath and should know what powers he has.
Warpath:
Superhuman speed
Superhuman reflexes
Superhuman senses
Class 40 strength
Superhuman endurance
Hercules:
Demi godlike endurance
Class 100+ strength
Based on their powerset, Warpath should take a couple of wins from Hercules. Demanding feats isn't very fair when I'm defending Warpath. Warpath who has only appeared in a couple of comics and Hercules who has been a member of the avengers/had his own series.
If you're judging solely on feats, then of course Hercules wins. He has been appearing in comics actively much longer than Warpath has.
Matches are judged soley on feats, how else are they supposed to be judged? 😬, I don't care whether it's 'unfair' (Warpath has been around for 24 years, a quarter of a century), it's the way it is done.
Do you have comics on your computer? if so upload them onto a site (eg: www.photobucket.com) and post them here, show me some examples of Warpath being able to hurt anybody on the level of Hercules, because otherwise you're just speculating.
Hercules still wins 9/10 IMO.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Matches are judged soley on feats, how else are they supposed to be judged? 😬, I don't care whether it's 'unfair' (Warpath has been around for 24 years, a quarter of a century), it's the way it is done.Do you have comics on your computer? if so upload them onto a site (eg: www.photobucket.com) and post them here, show me some examples of Warpath being able to hurt anybody on the level of Hercules, because otherwise you're just speculating.
Hercules [b]still
wins 9/10 IMO. [/B]
You can upload them to photobucket???? 😱
But when you put it like that, I don't have any feats of him being able to injure anyone of Hercules durability. To put it like this then, you don't think that a class 40 can cut Hercules with vibranium knives?
Originally posted by llagrok
You can upload them to photobucket???? 😱But when you put it like that, I don't have any feats of him being able to injure anyone of Hercules durability. To put it like this then, you don't think that a class 40 can cut Hercules with vibranium knives?
We don't know until somebody tries basically 😬.
Edit: And yes, you can upload comics onto Photobucket, if you read comics on CD display then right click "save to file", save them and then upload them onto photobucket.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
We don't know until somebody tries basically 😬.
I was basically going by the logic that if Wolverine can cut Namor with ease, then a class 40 should be able to cut Hercules. I know adamantium is sharper, but those vibranium knives are pretty damn sharp as well. If he's unable to cut Hercules then he won't be getting any wins, at least not until we see more martial arts feats.
I realize now that I can't really grant Warpath his knives and deny Hercules his mace :/
Originally posted by llagrok
Excellent reasoning.Reflexes, speed and agility MEAN EVERYTHING! They're the reason why Adam Warlock can stand up to people who are far stronger than him. Speed and Agility is the reason why Spidey's able to take on people who are far stronger.
Comparing a blunt weapon to a sharp weapon is something only an idiot would do. Wolverine's knives for example have done far more damage than Rhino's fists. Since Warpath is able to put sufficient force behind them, they could cut through Hercules.
If Warpath decides to throw his knives, Hercules wouldn't even see them coming. How does a slowbie like him, who can't even catch Deadpool, react to Warpath who's got superhuman speed?
Are you comparing Warpath's reflexes, speed, and agility to Warlock?
Can Warpath go lightspeed?
Can Warpath amp his stats using cosmic energy or the gem?
Does Warpath have the same base durability as Warlock, can he survive a blackhole?
Is Warpath even as intelligent as Adam?
because those are just some of the reasons why Adam can go toe to toe AND win against various class 100 tonners...ie Nobilus, Triax, Drax, Maxam etc...
in short, there's NO COMPARISON...
Slowbie?...
lol, you do know that even Cap, and the rest of the Secret Avengers couldn't tag Deadpool that time, why do you single out Herc?
and both are fighting at their best and Herc has knowledge of the knives...
Herc for the solid win...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Are you comparing Warpath's reflexes, speed, and agility to Warlock?Can Warpath go lightspeed?
Can Warpath amp his stats using cosmic energy or the gem?
Does Warpath have the same base durability as Warlock, can he survive a blackhole?
Is Warpath even as intelligent as Adam?
because those are just some of the reasons why Adam can go toe to toe AND win against various class 100 tonners...ie Nobilus, Triax, Drax, Maxam etc...
in short, there's [b]NO COMPARISON
...Slowbie?...
lol, you do know that even Cap, and the rest of the Secret Avengers couldn't tag Deadpool that time, why do you single out Herc?
and both are fighting at their best and Herc has knowledge of the knives...
Herc for the solid win... [/B]
I don't see how going lightspeed would help him in a battle where you're gouging reflexes and agility. Silver Surfer's not able to speedblitz everyone when it comes to hand to hand, but he can sure as hell "surf" faster than anyone.
I don't see why lightspeed would be required in order to defeat someone like Maxam, Drax or Hercules. I don't recall Warlock employing ligthspeed in his battles against class 100.
Adam's attacks are far less ineffective against Hercules than Warpath's attacks. If Adam dodges an attack and hits Hercules it won't do too much damage. If Warpath dodges an attack, he's left with the ability to cut off a limb.
Notice the difference? Warpath has the ability to permanently sever Hercules. Remove his limbs, eyes and etc. A stab is always far more effective than a punch. There's no denying that Warpath can't dodge attacks forever, but all he needs is to dodge one attack and he's got the ability to cut loose a limb. That is, if they're bloodlusted.
Like I mentioned earlier, Hercules would take a solid win, but when he's fighting someone who has superior reflexes and the ability to cut off limbs, it's not a complete curbstomp.
that is not even hercules profile according to civil war damage report this is hercules new profile
incalculable strength(7/7)
godlike endurance(7/7)
superior reflexes(6/7)
superspeed(hercules have tag quicksilver before) and he has speed is(4/7)
immortality
agility (6/7)
and durability(7/7)
if you don't know already let me tell you hercules is a slightly stronger version of thor without the hammer and lightning powers and he is also a better fighter than thor and with more experience. and besides warlock hercules have also defeated the possessor an elder of the universe twice. he has also beaten the high evoluntionary at one of his more evolved form, beaten firelord who possessed the power cosmic, stalemated drax with power gem, maxam, hulk,thor, and the celestial slayer and asgardian destroyer for some time until help arrive.He have also defeated clor and masterson thor as he used the full power of the hammer. who has warpath defeated to put him in hercules league.
Are you saying that warlock , the possessor and firelord who possess cosmic level energy projection abilities are crap compare to warpath knives and what about drax knives abilities and hercules have stalemated him
Originally posted by hunbu04
that is not even hercules profile according to civil war damage report this is hercules new profile
incalculable strength(7/7)
godlike endurance(7/7)
superior reflexes(6/7)
superspeed(hercules have tag quicksilver before) and he has speed is(4/7)
immortality
agility (6/7)
and durability(7/7)
if you don't know already let me tell you hercules is a slightly stronger version of thor without the hammer and lightning powers and he is also a better fighter than thor and with more experience. and besides warlock hercules have also defeated the possessor an elder of the universe twice. he has also beaten the high evoluntionary at one of his more evolved form, beaten firelord who possessed the power cosmic, stalemated drax with power gem, maxam, hulk,thor, and the celestial slayer and asgardian destroyer for some time until help arrive.He have also defeated clor and masterson thor as he used the full power of the hammer. who has warpath defeated to put him in hercules league.
I didn't know Hercules had Superhuman reflexes, it's been a while since they've written him like that.
There's no need to add Hercules' feats as we've all seen them and they weren't the subject that was up for debate. He has a lot of stalemating feats, not so many "winning" feats. For the record.
- Firelord possesses a fraction of the power cosmic, Spidey beat him.
- Drax only uses the power gem to enhance his strength
- He never beat Thor or Hulk
- Thor gets more than lighting powers
- High evolutionary at one of his more evolved forms? Which "form" was that and what abilities did it have?
Seeing as he actually does possess superhuman reflexes, he takes it 10/10-
hercules did beat masterson thor when he was possessed by Ares. And I didn't say he beat hulk I said he stalemated Hulk and for the record officially Hercules have only lost to Hulk once and that was when he was Mortal and his powers were cut in half by zeus. And hercules also beat real thor the first time they met in NYC when Odin cut thor powers in half but you don't see anyone putting that one around.
Originally posted by llagrok
Warpath at least 8/10
you post garbage like this on the first page then you completely turn around and say that WP would not take the solid majority but would be capable of a couple of wins...
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also, WP as class 80 my ass...
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you go off spouting alot of sh!t and they're from the *gasp* handbooks to boot when people ie Casanova, Artemis provide you with scans /on-panel feats...
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and then you try to compare Warpath to Warlock???
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Originally posted by llagrok
Adam's attacks are far less ineffective against Hercules than Warpath's attacks. If Adam dodges an attack and hits Hercules it won't do too much damage. If Warpath dodges an attack, he's left with the ability to cut off a limb.Notice the difference? Warpath has the ability to permanently sever Hercules. Remove his limbs, eyes and etc. A stab is always far more effective than a punch. There's no denying that Warpath can't dodge attacks forever, but all he needs is to dodge one attack and he's got the ability to cut loose a limb. That is, if they're bloodlusted.
just saw this...
what you're saying is beside the point...
because you really can't compare the way Warlock takes on class 100 tonners to Warpath, the difference is so way off...
1.) Warlock can amp his physical stats to match those stronger, faster, and much more durable than him. Warpath can't.
2.) Warlock's base stats are much higher than Warpath's which includes you're much touted agility and reflexes.
3.) Warlock is a much more skilled h2h fighter. When WP takes on whole fleets of warriors, goes toe to toe with a WM Thor, defeats Gamora in h2h, then call me.
4.) Warlock can harness cosmic energy, tap into the soul gem, teleport, tp, tk, matter manip. Warpath cannot.
just so you know this is not a direct overall comparison between the two, it's meant to describe that Warlock has so many more friggin options to choose from when fighting those stronger than him..
besides, what's stopping Hercules from thunderclapping WP before he gets close?
ALL characters have low showings and you seem to imply that Hercules is a lumbering bumbling dolt who doesn't know how to fight...
Hercules > Ares >>> WP
Ares is the friggin Olympian god of friggin war...
you also seem to imply that in terms of skill WP > Herc when even Thor admitted that Herc is a much more skilled h2h fighter than he is...
plus, do you really think a bloodlusted Herc would go howling back to papa in Olympus when cut? He has godlike regeneration i think and it's cut, not sever, because WP has vib. knives not vib. samurais...
what's stopping Herc from thunderclapping WP again?
Originally posted by CasanoVaWhy is there no text in those scans? That seems out of place if you ask me.
Let's see any evidence of Warpath hurting [b]anyone of Hercules' level, because all you've done so far is speculate.25 ton strength, with vibranium knives: So what? It doesn't mean anything unless you can prove Warpath has/can hurt someone like Hercules with them.
And you to your example of Adam Warlock (Taken from the Hercules Respect Thread):
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8771/madherk6wh.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9459/madherk14ge.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4881/madherk20rk.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5904/madherk39pd.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4315/madherk49sg.jpg😬, and as I've seen alot of ABC logic going on in this thread so far:
Adam Warlock has defeated several cosmics capable at going alot faster than Warpath can, if Hercules can defeat Warlock, he can defeat Warpath. [/B]
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
you post garbage like this on the first page then you completely turn around and say that WP would not take the solid majority but would be capable of a couple of wins...😆
also, WP as class 80 my ass...
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you go off spouting alot of sh!t and they're from the *gasp* handbooks to boot when people ie Casanova, Artemis provide you with scans /on-panel feats...
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and then you try to compare Warpath to Warlock???
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Okay, listen up [csm]dur{/csm]
People are allowed to change their opinions. I'm not entirely sure where you're from, but they actually are 😱
For the record, I wasn't comparing Warlock to Warpath, but I was simply using him as an example of how speed and skill can easily overcome strength. I never once stated that Warpath was as fast or as skilled as warlock, now did I?
I did in fact not know that Hercules had superhuman speed and reflexes. I thought he was slow, which he apparently isn't. That is why I changed my opinion, simple as that.
Given Hercules' latest showings, it didn't look like he had superhuman reflexes at all. And people's powers do change, Warpath is an example of that.
