Warpath vs. Hercules

Originally posted by darthgoober
While I'm not really an advocate of handbooks, if DC said that Superman no longer possessed heatvision in a handbook and then NEVER used it again in a comic, I'd probably take that to mean that he no longer had it.

I'm not even arguing about flight, but his strength level.

Marvel also stated that Wolverine could be killed by having his organs removed, the same year he regrew from a skeleton in 2 pages. So Marvel handbooks DO tend to be a pain in the balls when it comes to actual character depiction.

Originally posted by jinzin
If his comic showings dictated the same as fact I wouldn't be asking would I?
Again, are there feats of Warpath's strength level failing?

The reason I ask is because someone said that his strength's at his classic level, but his classic level was STILL in the 70-80 range.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
His bio said his mutant nature settled to a new level.

Hmm, what's happened with him since?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Actually his classic level was 2 tons. Back in 1984.

No it wasn't.
His classic level was the same as Spiderman's, Hobgoblins, and Ghostrider's.

Featwise he overpowered Logan, and kicked strong guy around like a child.

Originally posted by Citizen V
Critisizing him? I wasn't, I was just saying that claims me very little without proof and then instructed him unto how to show said proof through image-hosting sites.

I would continue this, but I've had a long day at work and I can't be bothered surfing the net for scans 😬, especially when neither character in this thread interests me enough to do so.

But anybody here stating that Warpath takes Hercules for 'at least' 8/10, is either crazy or stupid IMO. Hercules for a healthy majority (via experience, strength and his huge endurarance advantage), it's not like Herc's not tagged speedsters before either.

Most speedsters are able to be lead, that's why Gambit can tag Quicksilver but DD dances circles around the man, but I wouldn't say WP is anywhere near a speedster, I agree that Herc takes the Majority though.

Originally posted by jinzin
No it wasn't.
His classic level was the same as Spiderman's, Hobgoblins, and Ghostrider's.

Featwise he overpowered Logan, and kicked strong guy around like a child.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/3097znl.jpg

2 tons is more than enough to overpower Logan considering he's 800lbs. and by the time he beat Strong Guy he was at Class 75.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea it was. 2 tons level right here at his classic level as I stated earlier.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/3097znl.jpg

2 tons is more than enough to overpower Logan considering he's 800lbs. and by the time he beat Strong Guy he was at Class 75.

Logan is NOWHERE NEAR AN 800 POUND LIMIT. 😐

Have you even SEEN half of his strength feats?

and, I don't see Cyber on that list, besides you're missing the point, stats don't make a character, it's the other way around.

Originally posted by jinzin
Logan is NOWHERE NEAR AN 800 POUND LIMIT. 😐

Have you even SEEN half of his strength feats?

and, I don't see Cyber on that list, besides you're missing the point, stats don't make a character, it's the other way around.

That list is from 1985 to Cyber would not be on it. WP came out in 1984.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
All guys lift more than their handbooks state, that's the norm.

If the only credibility to saying warpath's strength level is at some 25 ton mark comes from the handbook, it's not strictly valid. 😬

Originally posted by llagrok
Okay, listen up [csm]dur{/csm]

People are allowed to change their opinions. I'm not entirely sure where you're from, but they actually are 😱

lol, Then don't tell people "what the f*ck are you reading, seriously", they state their opinion, ie WP as class 25-40 as opposed to your fountain of handbook knowledge that he's class 80. If you only didn't come off as arrogant in page 1, i would've actually just shook my head at your bastion-esque attitude...

For the record, I wasn't comparing Warlock to Warpath, but I was simply using him as an example of how speed and skill can easily overcome strength. I never once stated that Warpath was as fast or as skilled as warlock, now did I?

I get what you mean, really, but Adam has plot devices to take on enemies and he usually incorporates it in his fights , not just speed and skill. Now, if he exclusively used h2h, then it would be a good example, but he doesn't...

I did in fact not know that Hercules had superhuman speed and reflexes. I thought he was slow, which he apparently isn't. That is why I changed my opinion, simple as that.

👆

Given Hercules' latest showings, it didn't look like he had superhuman reflexes at all.

Nobody claimed Herc has superhuman reflexes. And judging a character solely on his latest showings isn't wise...

And people's powers do change, Warpath is an example of that.

😕

Exactly what we've been trying to tell you since page 1...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Actually his classic level was 2 tons. Back in 1984.

dayum, that is a serious power flux...

Of the X-bricks back in the mid 90's, his powerset was similar to Capt. Britain and was in a cooler team (Cable led X-Force > Excalibur imo). Guido, to me, had the least charisma...

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Originally posted by jinzin
which is the point of why I brought cyber up in the first place.

If the only credibility to saying warpath's strength level is at some 25 ton mark comes from the handbook, it's not strictly valid. 😬

Hercules 100 level means incalcuable strength. Whether its 25t or 80 t it is very calcuable.
Warpath has vibranium daggers woo hoo. Herc has a mace of adamant (the real stuff that adamantium is named after). Not that he needs it. Herc is an excellent fighter thousands of years of experience. if he enters fight with the hulk smash technique it is simply down to his confidence and arrogance at best or just plain and simple pis. When the depowered Herc fought Hulk he held his own (for a while at least on sheer wrestling skill)

Herc for the wi 10/10 end of
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