Originally posted by King Kandy
What do you think of medical Marijuana then?
I thought I made the point clear that as long as the drug is being used strictly for medicinal purposes it is not sinful nor illegal. But if the doctor's prescription is not adhered to and the patient begans to smoke more than the doctor has instructed, at that moment that drug is being used inappropriately. Thus, it is illegal and sinful (in my opinion).
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes there is... Ask any winery.Here, straight from dictionary.com:
"1. the fermented juice of grapes, made in many varieties, such as red, white, sweet, dry, still, and sparkling, for use as a beverage, in cooking, in religious rites, etc., and usually having an alcoholic content of 14 percent or less.
2. a particular variety of such fermented grape juice: port and sherry wines.
3. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc.: gooseberry wine; currant wine.
4. a dark reddish color, as of red wines.
5. Pharmacology. vinum.
6. something that invigorates, cheers, or intoxicates like wine.
7. British. a. a social gathering at which wine is the major beverage.
b. a party, esp. one held by university students, for drinking wine.8. Obsolete. intoxication due to the drinking of wine. "
Wine is fermented fruit, almost always grapes... Which gives is alchohal content.
There is fermented wine and there is un-fermented wine: both are wine.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is fermented wine and there is un-fermented wine: [B]both are wine. [/B]
Here, here are some other dictionaries definitions:
The American Heritage Dictionary:
"A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume.
A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants.
Something that intoxicates or exhilarates.
The color of red wine. "
Wordnet:
"1. fermented juice (of grapes especially)
2. a red as dark as red wine "
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary:
"Main Entry: wine
Pronunciation: 'wIn
Function: noun
1 : fermented grape juice containing varying percentages of alcohol together with ethers and esters that give it bouquet and flavor
2 : a pharmaceutical preparation using wine as a vehicle "
They ALL say wine must be fermented. Which is true.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, not at all.... By the very definition (Which I provided) wine MUST be fermented. Otherwise it's just grape juice, which is NOT wine.Here, here are some other dictionaries definitions:
The American Heritage Dictionary:
"A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume.
A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants.
Something that intoxicates or exhilarates.
The color of red wine. "Wordnet:
"1. fermented juice (of grapes especially)
2. a red as dark as red wine "Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary:
"Main Entry: wine
Pronunciation: 'wIn
Function: noun
1 : fermented grape juice containing varying percentages of alcohol together with ethers and esters that give it bouquet and flavor
2 : a pharmaceutical preparation using wine as a vehicle "They ALL say wine must be fermented. Which is true.
Tell that to the non-alcoholic wine industry.
http://www.arielvineyards.com/wines.html
Non-Alcoholic Wines & Beers
"The legal definition of non-alcoholic, is a product that contains less than 1/2 of 1% of alcohol. (This is less alcohol than most fresh squeezed orange juice). Alcohol is a natural by product of the fermentation
process. It is impossible to remove all the alcohol."
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo it is not drugs that are bad but the person or act, please make up your mind. Now what makes the use of drugs medical? Does it have to be given by a doctor at a hospital?
The situation that you describe falls under the context of medicinal purposes which is in keeping with the intended design and purpose of the drug (just like I said). Hence, I have not erred nor contradicted myself.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo then alcohol is not bad if it is impossible to remove it, so Jesus wasn't able to remove it? By the way that is the modern definition of non-alcoholic wine, they didn't have that back 2000 years ago, that is a law of man which you said doesn't apply to God.
Tell that to the non-alcoholic wine industry.http://www.arielvineyards.com/wines.html
[b]Non-Alcoholic Wines & Beers
"The legal definition of non-alcoholic, is a product that contains less than 1/2 of 1% of alcohol. (This is less alcohol than most fresh squeezed orange juice). Alcohol is a natural by product of the fermentation
process. It is impossible to remove all the alcohol."
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
So it is not drugs that are bad but the person or act, please make up your mind. Now what makes the use of drugs medical? Does it have to be given by a doctor at a hospital?
My mind has already been made up. I have not deviated from anything that I have stated at the outset about drugs. Show me the quote where I said that drugs (per se) were bad. I stated that according to the Bible drugs are listed as a work of the flesh (but it is referring to the use of drugs in a negative vein).
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
So then alcohol is not bad if it is impossible to remove it, so Jesus wasn't able to remove it? By the way that is the modern definition of non-alcoholic wine, they didn't have that back 2000 years ago, that is a law of man which you said doesn't apply to God.
It is impossible for humans to remove it but it is not impossible for God. With God all things are possible.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Luke 18:27
But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You incorrectly assume that all wine has alcohol.
Go back and read your bible. The people at the wedding asked why did the host wait until the end of the "party" to serve the good wine. Good wine means strong wine, because if wine does not have alcohol it goes bad without being refrigerated. The wine had alcohol or it would have gone bad.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveIt says that he turned water into wine; non-alcoholic wine didn't exist back then. Show me were it says non-alcoholic.
It is impossible for humans to remove it but it is not impossible for God. With God all things are possible.[B]Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”Luke 18:27
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But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My mind has already been made up. I have not deviated from anything that I have stated at the outset about drugs. Show me the quote where I said that [B]drugs (per se) were bad. I stated that according to the Bible drugs are listed as a work of the flesh (but it is referring to the use of drugs in a negative vein). [/B]
Then why did Jesus make wine?
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonhttp://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html 😉
Then why did Jesus make wine?
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
It says that he turned water into wine; non-alcoholic wine didn't exist back then. Show me were it says non-alcoholic.
First prove to me that non-alcoholic wine did not exist back then. There were ways to minimize alcoholic content (such as mixing with water to dilute).