indeed pitt
but yes Shelbert its something i read, little while ago, when God created man he presented it to the Angels including Satan and said that they will be the rulers of earth and asked them all to bow, but Satan being the proudest and who is said to of loved God more than any of the other angels did not want to bow, he did not want to bow before mortal weak creatures and so its said God threw him out, ofcourse ive also heard its possible Satan simply left because he was outraged at bowing before such mortal beings
ROMANS 16:20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. (NKJV)
JOHN 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (NASU)
Jesus Vs Satan
Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish." (NKJV)
JOHN "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me." (NKJV)Jesus
Jesus drives Satan away, much like he drives Satan's demons out of man.
During The Last Days
REVELATION 12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world -- he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (RSV) [quote]And a nice little one to end it all.
[quote]JAMES 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. (NKJV)
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThat is because he didn't bow before me 😛
indeed pittbut yes Shelbert its something i read, little while ago, when God created man he presented it to the Angels including Satan and said that they will be the rulers of earth and asked them all to bow, but Satan being the proudest and who is said to of loved God more than any of the other angels did not want to bow, he did not want to bow before mortal weak creatures and so its said God threw him out, ofcourse ive also heard its possible Satan simply left because he was outraged at bowing before such mortal beings
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so? Hasnt the Bible been altered to suit peoples opinions such as The Council of Nicea?Hasnt the Bible taken aspects of paganism?
hes correct, these are all bible opinions which have been cut and pasted as much as childrens homework, its covered in bits and bobs people have changed and messed with and in the end its still all comes down to the fact its supposed to be Gods book, so even if it were all Gods word, it still cannot be taken as fact of gods strength
Right, getting serious now.
First off, Burning thought recognises that the Bible is a valid document- to a degree. How do we know this? Well, he bases his idea of the existence of Satan, where he came from and who made him on Scripture. However, he deviates from the traditional description of Satan why? I don't know, but he applies his own logic and has decided that Satan has somehow melded himself with nature and become untouchable to God...don't know where he gets this from...but he does..
Anyway, for example. Imagine a scientist with a maze and mice...the longer the mice are in the maze are they may become more intelligent but are they ever able to rebel against and defeat their creator? No, no matter how important one mouse becomes to the research it still doesn't match the Scientist in anyway.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Right, getting serious now.First off, Burning thought recognises that the Bible is a valid document- to a degree. How do we know this? Well, he bases his idea of the existence of Satan, where he came from and who made him on Scripture. However, he deviates from the traditional description of Satan why? I don't know, but he applies his own logic and has decided that Satan has somehow melded himself with nature and become untouchable to God...don't know where he gets this from...but he does..
Anyway, for example. Imagine a scientist with a maze and mice...the longer the mice are in the maze are they may become more intelligent but are they ever able to rebel against and defeat their creator? No, no matter how important one mouse becomes to the research it still doesn't match the Scientist in anyway.
the bible is a document true, but wether its true or not is completly diffrent and regardless, my point that its supposed to be Gods word and God if he exists would not create a book telling people of any weakness is still valid
my idea of satan isnt just personal, ive heard loads of theories of people who agree with me, its common sense if you look at it from the point of view of acts being in connection with a spiritual essence then you can easily understand that if Satan is Wicked and evil like Christians belive he is then all acts from humanity beginning with the orgininal sin (an excellent example where Satan has overuled god by making Gods creations sinful) all the way up to present day wars must be Satans doing, from a Christan point of view.
"Anyway, for example. Imagine a scientist with a maze and mice...the longer the mice are in the maze are they may become more intelligent but are they ever able to rebel against and defeat their creator? No, no matter how important one mouse becomes to the research it still doesn't match the Scientist in anyway."
this bears no comparion to the situation whatsoever....God is supposedly all powerful and infnite, a Scientist does experiments on animals to see how they would react and what they would do in situations and to learn, since God is supposedly all mighty and knows past present and future, he would not need to experiment on humans since he should already know the outcome....obviously one of his lies
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
The awesomeness of Jesus:He decks Poseidon, Hercules and Apollo. He took on three gods single handedly, proving he can kick the sh*t out of one whinny b*tch- angel.
Witness the awesome side kick of The Son of God.
lol i like the look of that, where is this comic from? whats it called
It does bare absolute comparison.
God like the Scientist controls absolutely the environment the subjects (men/mice) are living in. No matter how one mouse acts it is still under the control of the Scientist.
Satan never overruled God, he was puffed up with pride and felt that He, not mankind should be put in control of the Earth. So he tricked them, he deceived Eve into eating the apple LIED! Hardly the course of action of someone of equal matching to God.
Again, people have theories...what are they based on? Anything atall?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
It does bare absolute comparison.God like the Scientist controls absolutely the environment the subjects (men/mice) are living in. No matter how one mouse acts it is still under the control of the Scientist.
Satan never overruled God, he was puffed up with pride and felt that He, not mankind should be put in control of the Earth. So he tricked them, he deceived Eve into eating the apple LIED! Hardly the course of action of someone of equal matching to God.
Again, people have theories...what are they based on? Anything atall?
the world around us, does it have to be based on Text and writings, ill find some if thats what you want but no text or writings can prove anything, you can only assume
and still i dont agree with the mice thing, God is not a scientist and he doesnt control the environment, we do, he simply "provided it"
and yes that does show he can overrule god, he started sin in all humans throughout...thats incredible power, thats almost as powerful as creating them himself, he literally overruled the way God wanted them, made them sinful to upset God and God cannot change it, he was literally owned