God vs Satan II

Originally posted by Burning thought
the world around us, does it have to be based on Text and writings, ill find some if thats what you want but no text or writings can prove anything, you can only assume

and still i dont agree with the mice thing, God is not a scientist and he doesnt control the environment, we do, he simply "provided it"

and yes that does show he can overrule god, he started sin in all humans throughout...thats incredible power, thats almost as powerful as creating them himself, he literally overruled the way God wanted them, made them sinful to upset God and God cannot change it, he was literally owned

He never overruled God, and he never made sin. EVE made the sin by disobeying God. Satan can only hurt God through man, he cant do anything directly, because he doesnt have the power. He trys to rebel against Gods wishes but he isnt actually overrulling him.

Satan, like a serpent, hence the image, sneaked upon Eve and told her lies in spite of God. He never boldly went, "Here eat this apple to stick the Vs up at God."

His aim wasnt to hurt God anyway, it was to get Man out the picture so he could be made the ruler of Earth.

regardless of his aim or how he did it, he threw one over on God, God couldnt change the human race after Satans first tempation, God was obviously powerless to stop Satans defilement and oblivious to Satan doing this act which shows he can hide himself from God

and this was tens of thousands of years ago, if he can hide himself from God and ruin Gods creations beyond Gods power to save them then he must be ultimatley powerful now

especially what with endless war and the increasinly more terrible weapons humanity are inventing

He never ruined Gods creation, he simply put it down a road God may not have wanted, however God chose to preserve Mans free will. Satan tempted man, man did what Satan asked so man ruined creation. Sure God could have stepped in, he could have just not put the tree there...but he did...this shows he was willing to let Satan fall, he was willing to let man face Satan...man failed God, which is why man is redeemed through Gods grace.

Man is inventing wepons, man is going to war, Satan isn't. He isnt doing very much of anything.

so god isnt doing anything anymore? perhaps their both dead and ime right in not beliving in them

regardless, Satan did something God wouldnt want...he did something against God that he couldnt of reversed otherwise he would have, God obviously has no knowledge about future events more than humans do and very little power over what Satan does

Originally posted by Burning thought
so god isnt doing anything anymore? perhaps their both dead and ime right in not beliving in them

regardless, Satan did something God wouldnt want...he did something against God that he couldnt of reversed otherwise he would have, God obviously has no knowledge about future events more than humans do and very little power over what Satan does

I can do something God doesn't want, does that mean I am more powerful than Satan?

no it means your fueling him, the more people do against God the happier it makes Satan is a sound and perhaps obvious suggestion, but if you think about it, what can you possibly do that God would care much about wheras Satan turning humanity crooked is something that hurt God greatly

from another point of view, the theory that worship gives Gods strength you can easily be more powerful than God if you somehow stopped all worship on him, same with Satan

Worship does not strengthen God, God doesn't need man, but he wants him.

God loves every person so much and so infinitely that every action that you do which is against him hurts him as much as Satan's actions.

Satan isn't fuelled by mans disobedience, he might get pleasure from it but it doesn't make him stronger.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Worship does not strengthen God, God doesn't need man, but he wants him.

God loves every person so much and so infinitely that every action that you do which is against him hurts him as much as Satan's actions.

Satan isn't fuelled by mans disobedience, he might get pleasure from it but it doesn't make him stronger.

ofcourse God needs man, without man God is nothing, not even an imagination

also how can you state things as if their fact, "satan isnt fueled by mans disobediance", there is no fact in this because its debatable wether or not he or God even excist, all you can do is assume or throw down theories like i do, when i say "perhaps" or "its a worthy suggestion" its all it is, a suggestion and its just as likely God is not as strong as Satan if you look at it from certain theories, but no theories can be proven just as the characters themselbes

Originally posted by Burning thought

all you can do is assume or throw down theories like i do, when i say "perhaps" or "its a worthy suggestion" its all it is, a suggestion and its just as likely God is not as strong as Satan if you look at it from certain theories, but no theories can be proven just as the characters themselbes

GODZILLAANDROIDOCTOPUS ftw

Originally posted by Burning thought
ofcourse God needs man, without man God is nothing, not even an imagination

also how can you state things as if their fact, "satan isnt fueled by mans disobediance", there is no fact in this because its debatable wether or not he or God even excist, all you can do is assume or throw down theories like i do, when i say "perhaps" or "its a worthy suggestion" its all it is, a suggestion and its just as likely God is not as strong as Satan if you look at it from certain theories, but no theories can be proven just as the characters themselbes

Good to see I have one the argument as your withdrawl shows, the fact that God is debatable is irrelevant.

We are debating within the context of Christian belief which means we assume these things are fact for the duration of the discussion.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Good to see I have one the argument as your withdrawl shows, the fact that God is debatable is irrelevant.

We are debating within the context of Christian belief which means we assume these things are fact for the duration of the discussion.

but thats where your wrong, were not debating christian belief

not to menstion what withdraral? i simply said please do you mind stop stating things as if you know them as fact

as i see it were debating wether God or Satan would defeat one another, in a battle, by the sounds of the first post, in an actual war

regardless of what christians belive, it doesnt actually say that anywhere

Originally posted by Burning thought
but thats where your wrong, were not debating christian belief

not to menstion what withdraral? i simply said please do you mind stop stating things as if you know them as fact

as i see it were debating wether God or Satan would defeat one another, in a battle, by the sounds of the first post, in an actual war

regardless of what christians belive, it doesnt actually say that anywhere

Err, I think it is understood that this is reference to the Christian notion of God and Satan.

I will state this as fact as I would if it was a debate about Zeus vs Hades. In the context of their religion.

How can you hold a debate like this if not using a set notion? Are we to all use our personal religions? Ofcourse not, because you cant have a debate on mythology unless you use set criteria.

regardless of the religion used, God and Satan are supposedly a pair of entities that for this thread will battle

so in truth anyone can bring up their own theory on how the battle would go even if it is from many diffrent religions

Originally posted by Burning thought
regardless of the religion used, God and Satan are supposedly a pair of entities that for this thread will battle

so in truth anyone can bring up their own theory on how the battle would go even if it is from many diffrent religions

I've looked over my posts and seem to be quite agressive, im not i am taking this all as quite fun. So I apologise if you thoguht I was.

Well, we were talking about the Bible and Adam and Eve...that was your courner stone, which means Christianity.

yes i was using the Adam and Eve argument at the time, i still say it certainly shows a strong argument that God isnt Omnipresent, Omni etc etc and all that if he couldnt of stopped Satan from doing it, no matter how you look at it, ime sure if God could, he would of done so, so that rules out one power of God that cannot obviously be true, that he is all knowing and all powerful, otherwise why would he want his followers to be sinful, and why would he allow satan to do this. If God has the amount of cards up his sleave the bible seems to give to him then he could of A: stopped Satan all together, B: he would erase all sin from their minds imediatley and alowed them to carry on pure as a race

otherwise the only conclusions that you can find are that A: God isnt all knowing B: or all powerful unless hes just doing it for a laugh..in which case his intellect cannot be far greater than a bored teenager

So you think the Adam and Eve story is correct but none of the rest of the Bible is? Your adding to the mythology your own personal spin, it would be like me saying Hades could defeat Zeus because he owned a bazzoka and Zeus tried to cover it all up...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
So you think the Adam and Eve story is correct but none of the rest of the Bible is? Your adding to the mythology your own personal spin, it would be like me saying Hades could defeat Zeus because he owned a bazzoka and Zeus tried to cover it all up...

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I knew it, Hades is a tricky one he is. 😉

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