Originally posted by darthgoober
While I agree with a lot of what you're saying leo, I did feel the need to address this. When Thanos blasted Galactus, it caused more damage to Big G than any other single attack I've ever seen. It tore up his armor, and blasted his helmet clear off the guy. In the instance with DS vs Galactus you mentioned on the other hand, Big G took DS's OE without a mark to show for it.Just thought I'd point that out.
IW pierced his entire body, i'd say that was worse and done by a much lesser power. and it doesn't change the fact that the attack did no damage whatsoever aside from the superficial tattering of the armor. 😬
ds's OE actually erased g, (at least made him vanish to . . . 😕 ) if for only a short time.
i have an exceptionally difficult time thinking thanos could in anyway beat him physically. i'd say even thanos would know he couldn't do that. does he have energy enough to one-shot him? seems doubtful to me, but thanos's greatest weapon is his mind and that's something that is difficult to rule out OR debate. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
IW pierced his entire body, i'd say that was worse and done by a much lesser power. and it doesn't change the fact that the attack did no damage whatsoever aside from the superficial tattering of the armor. 😬ds's OE actually erased g, (at least made him vanish to . . . 😕 ) if for only a short time.
i have an exceptionally difficult time thinking thanos could in anyway beat him physically. i'd say even thanos would know he couldn't do that. does he have energy enough to one-shot him? seems doubtful to me, but thanos's greatest weapon is his mind and that's something that is difficult to rule out OR debate. 😬
Co-signed. Thanos IS a super-genius. And I'm not saying he can't win either. I'm just saying that he can't win in a slugfest. That's suicide for him, and I think I know the character well enough that I believe he would realize that. 😖mart:
Originally posted by leonidas
but thanos's greatest weapon is his mind and that's something that is difficult to rule out OR debate. 😬
I agree with that.
Thanos doesn't always require prep in order to come up with something, his mind still works in combat. Since it's almost impossible for us to predict what sort of plan he would come up with, it's very difficult to debate.
Thanos' durability should give him enough time to come up with something though. I don't think Doomsday would automatically win if he got up close with him.
Originally posted by leonidas
IW pierced his entire body, i'd say that was worse and done by a much lesser power. and it doesn't change the fact that the attack did no damage whatsoever aside from the superficial tattering of the armor. 😬ds's OE actually erased g, (at least made him vanish to . . . 😕 ) if for only a short time.
i have an exceptionally difficult time thinking thanos could in anyway beat him physically. i'd say even thanos would know he couldn't do that. does he have energy enough to one-shot him? seems doubtful to me, but thanos's greatest weapon is his mind and that's something that is difficult to rule out OR debate. 😬
And it was never established that Big G "vanished" or anything similar in that arc. It's true that there was an odd visual effect, but it could just as easily be interpreted that the OE had NO effect what so ever, and that visual effect was just the OE trying unsuccessfully to erase Galactus. But what's NOT open to interpretation is that that this was Galactus directly following DS's blast...
And this was Galactus directly following Thanos's blast...
From the look of it, I'd say that Thanos had a bit more of an effect on Galactus overall.
Originally posted by darthgoober
IW has a plot device powersource that allowed her to destoy a Celestial, so her piercing Big G's armor doesn't mean a lot. Other than IW(who I'd honestly forgotten about), the Inbetweener, and Thanos, I honestly cant think of anyone who's cause any kind of serious damage to Big G's armor.And it was never established that Big G "vanished" or anything similar in that arc. It's true that there was an odd visual effect, but it could just as easily be interpreted that the OE had NO effect what so ever, and that visual effect was just the OE trying unsuccessfully to erase Galactus. But what's NOT open to interpretation is that that this was Galactus directly following DS's blast...
And this was Galactus directly following Thanos's blast...
From the look of it, I'd say that Thanos had a bit more of an effect on Galactus overall.
You do realize that the visual effect that is drawn on Galactus is the same exact one that has been drawn since 1971 as the OE erasing someone right? Big G got erased and willed himself back. He even mentions DS great power. Thanos Gets a Nod from Big G for his tech.
Its really a tough call. The longer the fight goes on the more it sways in the direction of doomsday. If Thanos cant muster the energy to one-shot Doomsday (which i really dont think he can, thats a lot of power) then its very possible that DD could become immune to most of his energy attacks. DD doesnt have to die to become immune to attacks, there were instances when fighting waverider and superman that previous attacks used against him that had worked suddenly became ineffective. If thanos doesnt put him down quick DD could become resilent to most of his energy, and I dont like Thanos' chances if the battle came down to a slugfest. I could see this going either way
Originally posted by Kurash
Its really a tough call. The longer the fight goes on the more it sways in the direction of doomsday. If Thanos cant muster the energy to one-shot Doomsday (which i really dont think he can, thats a lot of power) then its very possible that DD could become immune to most of his energy attacks. DD doesnt have to die to become immune to attacks, there were instances when fighting waverider and superman that previous attacks used against him that had worked suddenly became ineffective. If thanos doesnt put him down quick DD could become resilent to most of his energy attacks, and I dont like Thanos' chances if the battle came down to a slugfest. I could see this going either way
DD adapted to the might of a guardian over several seconds.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that the visual effect that is drawn on Galactus is the same exact one that has been drawn since 1971 as the OE erasing someone right? Big G got erased and willed himself back. He even mentions DS great power. Thanos Gets a Nod from Big G for his tech.
Originally posted by Kurash
non-canon
Originally posted by darthgoober
According to nvr, there's only ONE DS in all of DC. According to him, that means that ANY appearance DS EVER makes is cannon(including DS from JLU). That means that while the fight may not be cannon to 616 Galactus(who's the most powerful version of Galactus) it IS cannon as far as DS is concerned. It also means that DS's performance against Thanos(in which Thanos was able to match blast with DS) from Marvel vs DC is cannon as far as DS is concerned also. And so is Batman being able to avoid the Omega Blast from the Justice League Unlimited cartoon through speed and agility.
I have not mentioned DS from JLU. and it really doesn't matter since DS has the ability to spread his mind every where via avatars. Anyway, Batman avoiding the Omega effect would have to happen in the Justice League Animated book. I don't remember seeing it. at any rate, DS spreads his mind around alot. Avatars for the win to explain my theory. Anyway, The OE erase effect was in full effect. Big G just willed himself back together. Not so hard to comprehend and many others agree with me that that is what happened. Certainly you don't think that DS can make the spectre howl in pain but will have " NO EFFECT" on big G. rediculous.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have not mentioned DS from JLU. and it really doesn't matter since DS has the ability to spread his mind every where via avatars. Anyway, Batman avoiding the Omega effect would have to happen in the Justice League Animated book. I don't remember seeing it.
No it happened in the animated series, ask batdude if you want the exact episode.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
at any rate, DS spreads his mind around alot. Avatars for the win to explain my theory.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Anyway, The OE erase effect was in full effect. Big G just willed himself back together. Not so hard to comprehend and many others agree with me that that is what happened.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Certainly you don't think that DS can make the spectre howl in pain but will have " NO EFFECT" on big G. rediculous.
Originally posted by darthgooberHow the hell could he not beat Thor with pg, yet he can knock down Galactus with a blast?
IW has a plot device powersource that allowed her to destoy a Celestial, so her piercing Big G's armor doesn't mean a lot. Other than IW(who I'd honestly forgotten about), the Inbetweener, and Thanos, I honestly cant think of anyone who's cause any kind of serious damage to Big G's armor.And it was never established that Big G "vanished" or anything similar in that arc. It's true that there was an odd visual effect, but it could just as easily be interpreted that the OE had NO effect what so ever, and that visual effect was just the OE trying unsuccessfully to erase Galactus. But what's NOT open to interpretation is that that this was Galactus directly following DS's blast...
And this was Galactus directly following Thanos's blast...
From the look of it, I'd say that Thanos had a bit more of an effect on Galactus overall.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No it happened in the animated series, ask batdude if you want the exact episode.Proof?
Again prove it. Point out the part of the book where it's mentioned in any way, shape, or form that Galactus had to "will" himself back. But if you think about, even if you are right about G and the OE(which again, is pure speculation), Galactus wasn't able to "will" away the damage that Thanos caused so....
You miss the point, I don't think that the OE SHOULD hurt Spectre unless he was weaker than Galactus.
The OE should hurt anyone as it is a direct gift and power directly linked to the source.
I was saying that DS in JLU animated does not count unless it happens in the DCU animated comic book. The Animated series is NOT connected to DS. You have never heard me say that DS from other mediums was one and the same. Only DS from all comics.
Also, I dont' see Galactus needing to will himself back from Thanos sucker attack. DS attacks Big G head on. THanos does a one hit blast and catches big G off guard. I have no doubt that had DS released the Omega Force, He could have done the same. But since The Omega effect doesnt' have a pummel effect to it,( another reason why Doomsday must have been shot by the OF instead of the OE), Ds wouldnt' knock over Big G. Also, Big G doesn't really look phased to me after thanos attack. Thanos begs for his life after Big G attacks, DS gets blasted and gets back up with only his clothes tattered. Who do you think looks better in those showings? HMM? Any way, Doomsday wins becuz he made a guardian give up his life to remove him.