Doomsday vs Thanos

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Originally posted by quanchi112
ds the real ds showed up to comabt superman. he wouldnt send an avatar if he could lose his planet. ds lost and was humiliated. this came out of his own mouth. ds has gone so downhill. its kind of sad. 😆
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u continue to spam ill continue to make points. just becuz ds went down to doomsday doesnt mean thanos does. thanos for the win becuz ds fails at close quarters combat.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by starking
So even though Lobo is on par with Superman, Ds finds him to be inferior, compared to the big S? If what your saying is true, then Dc likes to stroke Superman's cock, to the nth degree. And that's called a jobber aura, something not taken seriously around here. Btw, Lobo hurt his hands punching him, so that means ALOT.

Just because the majority of DC and their fans see Lobo as being on par with Supes, that doesn't mean that DS does. By DS's dialogue, he OBVIOUSLY felt that Lobo was unworthy to do combat with him. Supes has a long history with DS though, which is likely the reason behind his regarding Supes in a different light.
Originally posted by starking

Is that supposed to be sarcasm? If so, then Raker rushed over to Ds, ONLY to have his hand crushed. So to you, is that cheap because Ds destroyed Raker's ring, making him powerless? In that case, I could call it cheap whenever the Silver Surfer, is knocked off his board, but when it's WITH IN character's powerset, to take advantage of a character's achiles heal, then you can't call CHEAP on it, unless Seid did it when his guard was down.

You misunderstood, I honestly meant that DS didn't resort to any "cheap" tactics in that fight. By "cheap" I mean things like mind raping, BFR, and all the other things people say he SHOULD do when he squares off against Supes.

Originally posted by starking
It shows that Seid is capable of depowering beings, greater than Superman. And the problem with your point is, you base Ds off of being an honorable fighter, from ONE comic where the portrayal of the character is OFF. Unless of course, you can show me that second instance, where Ds said he was an honorable fighter 🙂

What proof is there that Secret is more powerful than Supes? And here are both scans if you want to take a look...


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Originally posted by starking
Why does he have to be bloodlusted? Ds can pwn people STRONGER than Superman with the Oe, yet when he faces Superman himself, he has it deflected. Meaning if your theory is right(which is speculation to me), then Darkseid holds back the TRUE power of the omega effect, which to me is more retarded, than being honorable. I mean how is using the Oe, is a cheap win? It's apart of his powerset, so he should be able to use it, as much as he wants. That's like saying Silver Surfer draining Hulk of his gamma energy is cheap, because he did with such ease. 🙄

He has to be bloodlusted, because he's bloodlusted in a forum battle. I already admitted that DS is more than willing to resort to tactics that he considers "cheap" for the sake of furthering a plot or removing someone he considers an annoyance without dirtying his hands with them, but how many instances did you find in the respect thread did you find of him doing that kind of thing when he was bloodlusted. And who has DS erased via OE that's got better showings than Supes anyway?

Originally posted by starking
I don't get it, not to sound like an idiot or anything, but can enlighten me on this?

Enlighten you on what?

Originally posted by starking
Maybe so, but if me saying avatars is nothing but speculation, how can you say the same about this instance, based on nothing? Besides, that story was retconned into being Desaad, in disguise. So anything that happened in that story, was done by someone much weaker, than Darkseid himself.

I didn't outright throw out the instance, I said that because of the way Fate was talking it seemed as though something was off. I'd have to take a look at the entire issue to make that kind of call, so if you happen to know it I'll be more than happy to take a look.

Originally posted by starking
But the problem with your argument is, your using a statement from that Doomsday story, to support it's weight. Meaning Ds not going all out on Superman, is an act of stupidity, rather than the character being honorable. Oh wait I just remembered, Seid has also admitted to being that way, in a Bryne story. But that one would be an avatar, meaning if a small portion of Seid's power, can stand up to Superman, the imagine what the whole batch should do to him.

As you just admitted(and I just posted), there's at least TWO instances of DS saying something to that effect. Whether or not it was an avatar doesn't change the fact that it was DS's mindset. As I've tried to explane to you repeatedly, I'm not saying that Byrne's Supes can/should beat DS, I'm saying that DS's mindset makes his wanting to going toe to toe with Supes "in character" for him.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by leonidas
OE isn't the same type of blast as thanos. but you're right, you could interpret it to mean nothing happened. there is an odd colouring scheme to galactus, but that could be meaningless.

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Originally posted by leonidas
i'll stick with my initial thought though and say the OE trumps anything thanos can throw. standard blasts are a dime a dozen.

Really? What evidence is there to suggest that the "erasing effect" is all that powerful? I've been trying to get an example of DS successfully using against a top tier for a while now, and I haven't been shown a single example of it yet. That's not to say that his OE isn't incredibly useful and handy to have against those of a lower tier, but I haven't seen him erase anyone of note personally.

Originally posted by leonidas
and i'm not sure how you say IW is a plot-device power. i'd never agree to that. it pierced a celestial true, but that hardly equates it to a plot device. sue's shields HAVE withstood blasts from galactus in the past -- something thanos's own shielding was unable to do.

The plot device I was referring to was her all of the sudden drawing her power from hyperspace, and being able to take down guys like Celestials and Galactus. So I guess her power itself may not be a plot device, but her power SOURCE(which is what allows her to do that kind of thing) certainly is. And Galactus himself said that he'd NEVER had to exert himself the way he did to blast though Thanos's shields, so if Sue's withstood him he was either a whole lot weaker(understandable since he was pretty well fed against Thanos), or he just wasn't trying as hard against her.

Originally posted by leonidas
regardless, whatever effect thanos had on g's armor, its effects on g himself were non-existent. the dire wraiths ALSO beat the crap out of g on their homeworld and tore up his armor iirc, and beta ray bill has also cracked his helmet. i really don't consider breaking some of his armor as much of a feat at all. 😬

I was honestly unaware of those instances you mentioned(sounds like something I'll have to check out), but destroying the armor is still something that DS was unable to do.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because the majority of DC and their fans see Lobo as being on par with Supes, that doesn't mean that DS does. By DS's dialogue, he OBVIOUSLY felt that Lobo was unworthy to do combat with him. Supes has a long history with DS though, which is likely the reason behind his regarding Supes in a different light.

You misunderstood, I honestly meant that DS didn't resort to any "cheap" tactics in that fight. By "cheap" I mean things like mind raping, BFR, and all the other things people say he SHOULD do when he squares off against Supes.

What proof is there that Secret is more powerful than Supes? And here are both scans if you want to take a look...


He has to be bloodlusted, because he's bloodlusted in a forum battle. I already admitted that DS is more than willing to resort to tactics that he considers "cheap" for the sake of furthering a plot or removing someone he considers an annoyance without dirtying his hands with them, but how many instances did you find in the respect thread did you find of him doing that kind of thing when he was bloodlusted. And who has DS erased via OE that's got better showings than Supes anyway?

Enlighten you on what?

I didn't outright throw out the instance, I said that because of the way Fate was talking it seemed as though something was off. I'd have to take a look at the entire issue to make that kind of call, so if you happen to know it I'll be more than happy to take a look.

As you just admitted(and I just posted), there's at least TWO instances of DS saying something to that effect. Whether or not it was an avatar doesn't change the fact that it was DS's mindset. As I've tried to explane to you repeatedly, I'm not saying that Byrne's Supes can/should beat DS, I'm saying that DS's mindset makes his wanting to going toe to toe with Supes "in character" for him. [/B]

nice scans. according to some people on here ds never lies. so if ds lost to superman fair and square then it isnt pis. ds admitted it. ds admitted supes can beat him. he also admitted he was humiliated by supes in apokolips now. 😉

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"this creature u call doomsday is unbeatable." this is what darkseid says in hunter and prey book three page 5. he admits doomsday cant lose. and doesnt even help superman becuz darkseid doesnt believe he can beat him. supes gets the job done while ds stays home in his bed under his covers. hoping doomsday doesnt come back. 🤣

Kurash High Warlord

quanchi you claim you make points but i have yet to see any so from now on ill take your posts with a grain of salt.

Also regarding this breaking of the armor "feat," walking by your desk with loose clothing on and it getting caught on the corner is enough to rip your shirt. Wind is enough to blow your hat off. Breaking armor means absolutely nothing except big G is gonna have to call his tailor.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Kurash
Also regarding this breaking of the armor "feat," walking by your desk with loose clothing on and it getting caught on the corner is enough to rip your shirt. Wind is enough to blow your hat off. Breaking armor means absolutely nothing except big G is gonna have to call his tailor.

We're not talking about clothing, we're talking about armor. How many times have you seen an armored hero/villain tear his armor on a dest, or have his helmet blown off by the wind?

Kurash High Warlord
Originally posted by darthgoober
We're not talking about clothing, we're talking about armor. How many times have you seen an armored hero/villain tear his armor on a dest, or have his helmet blown off by the wind?

Do you honestly think a character as powerful as Big G really needs armor? You think it has any effect on his durability or is just there for show? Because apparently a blast that broke his armor had no effect on his flesh

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Kurash
Do you honestly think a character as powerful as Big G really needs armor? You think it has any effect on his durability or is just there for show? Because apparently a blast that broke his armor had no effect on his flesh

Or maybe it had no effect BECAUSE of the armor(that's generally armor's purpose after all).

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the armor was gone. Thats like a bulletproof vest with front to back holes from where bullets went through and saying "it did its job"

The point is, obviously the blast hit him because the energy didnt magically break the armor and stop before it hit the flesh

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Kurash
the armor was gone. Thats like a bulletproof vest with front to back holes from where bullets went through and saying "it did its job"

The point is, obviously the blast hit him because the energy didnt magically break the armor and stop before it hit the flesh


I think a better parallel, would be a fairly weak serf hitting a strong/powerful knight square across the head with a mace, knocking his helmet off and leaving the knight dazed. The knight may be more powerful than the serf physically and be pretty much unharmed, but the fact of the matter is that the knight would be in FAR worse condition if he never had the helmet in the first place.

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Originally posted by Kurash
quanchi you claim you make points but i have yet to see any so from now on ill take your posts with a grain of salt.

Also regarding this breaking of the armor "feat," walking by your desk with loose clothing on and it getting caught on the corner is enough to rip your shirt. Wind is enough to blow your hat off. Breaking armor means absolutely nothing except big G is gonna have to call his tailor.

the point is this. thanos has proven he can handle thor with the freaking power gem. this doomsday lost to supes,waverider, and a mother box. not all that impresive. thanos fights odin courageously. he took on tyrant for shits and giggles. he slapped around thor and thing before his resurrection power up. he waved thors hammer down like nothing. thanos could beat doomsday and while he was fighting him hed think on his feet for the victory. thanos for the win. 😉

Kurash High Warlord
Originally posted by darthgoober
I think a better parallel, would be a fairly weak serf hitting a strong/powerful knight square across the head with a mace, knocking his helmet off and leaving the knight dazed. The knight may be more powerful than the serf physically and be pretty much unharmed, but the fact of the matter is that the knight would be in FAR worse condition if he never had the helmet in the first place.

Actually no its not, since if the mace had hitten the knight with his helmet off in the first place he would have more than likely died, whereas with galactus it would have made no difference if he would have been completely naked

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because the majority of DC and their fans see Lobo as being on par with Supes, that doesn't mean that DS does. By DS's dialogue, he OBVIOUSLY felt that Lobo was unworthy to do combat with him. Supes has a long history with DS though, which is likely the reason behind his regarding Supes in a different light.
Yet Lobo has been many times (OUTSIDE of the comic, alongside Ds), to be even with Superman. So why is it that Lobo, someone who rivals Superman physically, can hurt his hands and BE erased by the Oe? Like I said earlier, Dc tends to stroke Superman's cock to a point were you don't no what to take seriously.[/b][/quote]

Originally posted by darthgoober
You misunderstood, I honestly meant that DS didn't resort to any "cheap" tactics in that fight. By "cheap" I mean things like mind raping, BFR, and all the other things people say he SHOULD do when he squares off against Supes.
How is mindraping, bfring, and such is a cheap ability? If you are blessed with a great power, then why throw it out the window? Besides, I'm not sure what you were trying to prove, if Ds can curbstomp someone with his physical power, then he should have every right in the world to do so. So it really doesn't prove, that Darkseid is as honorable as you say.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What proof is there that Secret is more powerful than Supes? And
Well for one, she can pwn the entire Young justice, and Despero. If Superman can touch her in that department, then Dc has to get his ass under control.
Originally posted by darthgoober
here are both scans if you want to take a look...

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That's great and all, but heres the problem. HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, about holding back his power in the first scan. Meaning Seid was either being an idiot, or something else happened. Ds using matter transmutation, or the ability to depower Superman entirely, is not what I would call a cheap win. So why does Seid hold back so much, when in reality, Superman shouldn't even be noticed by him? If that fight was a pure h2h confrontation, then you would be getting at something. But it was obvious that Bryne, decided to give Ds the shit end of the stick in that story. So yeah, you can't base Darkseid's physical power, off a portrayal that had him as a weaker Superman level being.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He has to be bloodlusted, because he's bloodlusted in a forum battle. I already admitted that DS is more than willing to resort to tactics that he considers "cheap" for the sake of furthering a plot or removing someone he considers an annoyance without dirtying his hands with them, but how many instances did you find in the respect thread did you find of him doing that kind of thing when he was bloodlusted. And who has DS erased via OE that's got better showings than Supes anyway?
Uhh, saying Ds doesn't use his powerset to the full degree, CAN'T be said for his showings, in Superman and Batman, Apokolips now, and Action comics. In those storys, he used the Omega effect on Superman, and failed miserably. Meaning your theory for Ds not using his "cheap" abilities, is thrown out the window. And the Oe has depowereg Secret, Erased Agogg, removed Martian Manhunter, and of course erased Lobo. Don't you find it funny, how a guy with a HUGE jobber aura, some how deflects the Omega effect. 🙄

Originally posted by darthgoober
Enlighten you on what?
This one.

"What "cheap" win did he go for there? He grabbed the guy by the neck and then blasted him. He didn't mind rape him or even OE the guy, all he did was blast him. If anything, that proves that DS's standard tactics when going 1 on 1 with Supes are more "in character" that what you believe."

But I don't see how that proves anything, why use bfr when simply pwn someone, with a single blast? Doesn't sound nessacary to me.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't outright throw out the instance, I said that because of the way Fate was talking it seemed as though something was off. I'd have to take a look at the entire issue to make that kind of call, so if you happen to know it I'll be more than happy to take a look.
Well him and Mrs.Fate, had to use a spell to trick him, into loving. It sounds pretty weird, but that's what happened. Not only that, but that was Desaad disguised as Ds, and he scared the shit out of the Lords of chaos. It came out some Dr.Fate story, just to let you know.

Originally posted by darthgoober
As you just admitted(and I just posted), there's at least TWO instances of DS saying something to that effect. Whether or not it was an avatar doesn't change the fact that it was DS's mindset. As I've tried to explane to you repeatedly, I'm not saying that Byrne's Supes can/should beat DS, I'm saying that DS's mindset makes his wanting to going toe to toe with Supes "in character" for him.
Meh, I pretty much covered what I would've said, further up.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by starking
Yet Lobo has been many times (OUTSIDE of the comic, alongside Ds), to be even with Superman. So why is it that Lobo, someone who rivals Superman physically, can hurt his hands and BE erased by the Oe? Like I said earlier, Dc tends to stroke Superman's cock to a point were you don't no what to take seriously.

They may be about even strength wise, but I've yet to see anything from Lobo to suggest equal durability. Lobo gets hurt A LOT more than Supes, it's just that he heals from it.

Originally posted by starking
How is mindraping, bfring, and such is a cheap ability? If you are blessed with a great power, then why throw it out the window? Besides, I'm not sure what you were trying to prove, if Ds can curbstomp someone with his physical power, then he should have every right in the world to do so. So it really doesn't prove, that Darkseid is as honorable as you say.

He DOES have every right to, but when he does it doesn't really support your arguement that it's "in character" for him to resort to what I've already shown him to consider a "cheap" win now does it?

Originally posted by starking
Well for one, she can pwn the entire Young justice, and Despero. If Superman can touch her in that department, then Dc has to get his ass under control.

Supes DID recently pwn Despero, and I don't really see him having much trouble with Superboy, Robin, Impulse, Arrowette, and Wondergirl at the same time either.

Originally posted by starking
That's great and all, but heres the problem. HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, about holding back his power in the first scan. Meaning Seid was either being an idiot, or something else happened. Ds using matter transmutation, or the ability to depower Superman entirely, is not what I would call a cheap win. So why does Seid hold back so much, when in reality, Superman shouldn't even be noticed by him? If that fight was a pure h2h confrontation, then you would be getting at something. But it was obvious that Bryne, decided to give Ds the shit end of the stick in that story. So yeah, you can't base Darkseid's physical power, off a portrayal that had him as a weaker Superman level being.

Wtf are you talking about? I already told you(several times in fact) that the Byrne incident is being used for personality analysis, not power indication. That means that I'm NOT USING IT TO BASE DARKSEID'S LEVEL OF POWER ON. I'm using it as an example of DS exhibiting a sense of "honor".

Originally posted by starking
Uhh, saying Ds doesn't use his powerset to the full degree, CAN'T be said for his showings, in Superman and Batman, Apokolips now, and Action comics. In those storys, he used the Omega effect on Superman, and failed miserably. Meaning your theory for Ds not using his "cheap" abilities, is thrown out the window. And the Oe has depowereg Secret, Erased Agogg, removed Martian Manhunter, and of course erased Lobo. Don't you find it funny, how a guy with a HUGE jobber aura, some how deflects the Omega effect. 🙄

Except that he had already attempted to USE the OE on Supes before at that point unsuccessfully, so he knew that it wasn't outside of Supes ability to deal with it(which means that it wouldn't be a "cheap" tactic". After all Supes uses energy attacks(heatvision) in his fights with DS, so I can see why DS wouldn't consider it to be "cheating" for him to do the same against Supes. Think about it, Doomsday was only using h2h attacks when he was first tearing through DS's army, so DS said that honor demanded h2h combat. Supes has ranged attacks, flight, and super speed so it makes sense for DS to cut loose at little bit more(since it's not dishonorable for him to do so).

Originally posted by starking
This one.

"What "cheap" win did he go for there? He grabbed the guy by the neck and then blasted him. He didn't mind rape him or even OE the guy, all he did was blast him. If anything, that proves that DS's standard tactics when going 1 on 1 with Supes are more "in character" that what you believe."

But I don't see how that proves anything, why use bfr when simply pwn someone, with a single blast? Doesn't sound nessacary to me.


It's not necessary for DS, it's just necessary for him to do it so that it will prove YOUR point(the point being that it's "in character" for him to do so under those circumstances).

Originally posted by starking
Well him and Mrs.Fate, had to use a spell to trick him, into loving. It sounds pretty weird, but that's what happened. Not only that, but that was Desaad disguised as Ds, and he scared the shit out of the Lords of chaos. It came out some Dr.Fate story, just to let you know.

So it wasn't actually DS? In that case, that particular instance seems to be irrelevant to a discussion about DS's sense of honor since IT'S ANOTHER CHARACTER.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Kurash
Actually no its not, since if the mace had hitten the knight with his helmet off in the first place he would have more than likely died, whereas with galactus it would have made no difference if he would have been completely naked

Really? You're SURE that the knight would die no matter what? What if the knight had a large opening for his head could slip out of(like Galactus's)? Is there NO WAY the knight might survive in that case?

And I really don't see what your problem is with acknowledging it as an impressive feat anyway to tell you the truth. To my knowledge there have only been 5 instances of Big G's armor being torn up to that extent. There's The Inbetweener(abstract level character), Invisible Woman(plot device power source that also allows her to kill a Celestial) the Dire Wraith and Beta Ray Bill(which I just found out about, so I still don't know the details surrounding it) and Thanos, and that's it. If it were a worthless feat then it would have happened more often.

Kurash High Warlord

Originally posted by darthgoober
Really? You're SURE that the knight would die no matter what? What if the knight had a large opening for his head could slip out of(like Galactus's)? Is there NO WAY the knight might survive in that case?

And I really don't see what your problem is with acknowledging it as an impressive feat anyway to tell you the truth. To my knowledge there have only been 5 instances of Big G's armor being torn up to that extent. There's The Inbetweener(abstract level character), Invisible Woman(plot device power source that also allows her to kill a Celestial) the Dire Wraith and Beta Ray Bill(which I just found out about, so I still don't know the details surrounding it) and Thanos, and that's it. If it were a worthless feat then it would have happened more often.

I think you misunderstood. If the knight had no helmet on at all he would die when being struck by the mace.

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Can anyone find another example of Galactus being blasted and sent a thousand+ feet away? And it phased him enough to immediately want Thanos dead, his helmet wasn't just taken off but also broke in places, and his body armour was cracked in places, thats a good feat however you want to look at it. And it wasn't a sneak attack as Galactus knew he was there and they'd exchanged dialogue.

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Originally posted by starking
Yet Lobo has been many times (OUTSIDE of the comic, alongside Ds), to be even with Superman. So why is it that Lobo, someone who rivals Superman physically, can hurt his hands and BE erased by the Oe? Like I said earlier, Dc tends to stroke Superman's cock to a point were you don't no what to take seriously.

How is mindraping, bfring, and such is a cheap ability? If you are blessed with a great power, then why throw it out the window? Besides, I'm not sure what you were trying to prove, if Ds can curbstomp someone with his physical power, then he should have every right in the world to do so. So it really doesn't prove, that Darkseid is as honorable as you say.

Well for one, she can pwn the entire Young justice, and Despero. If Superman can touch her in that department, then Dc has to get his ass under control.
That's great and all, but heres the problem. HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, about holding back his power in the first scan. Meaning Seid was either being an idiot, or something else happened. Ds using matter transmutation, or the ability to depower Superman entirely, is not what I would call a cheap win. So why does Seid hold back so much, when in reality, Superman shouldn't even be noticed by him? If that fight was a pure h2h confrontation, then you would be getting at something. But it was obvious that Bryne, decided to give Ds the shit end of the stick in that story. So yeah, you can't base Darkseid's physical power, off a portrayal that had him as a weaker Superman level being.

Uhh, saying Ds doesn't use his powerset to the full degree, CAN'T be said for his showings, in Superman and Batman, Apokolips now, and Action comics. In those storys, he used the Omega effect on Superman, and failed miserably. Meaning your theory for Ds not using his "cheap" abilities, is thrown out the window. And the Oe has depowereg Secret, Erased Agogg, removed Martian Manhunter, and of course erased Lobo. Don't you find it funny, how a guy with a HUGE jobber aura, some how deflects the Omega effect. 🙄

This one.

"What "cheap" win did he go for there? He grabbed the guy by the neck and then blasted him. He didn't mind rape him or even OE the guy, all he did was blast him. If anything, that proves that DS's standard tactics when going 1 on 1 with Supes are more "in character" that what you believe."

But I don't see how that proves anything, why use bfr when simply pwn someone, with a single blast? Doesn't sound nessacary to me.

Well him and Mrs.Fate, had to use a spell to trick him, into loving. It sounds pretty weird, but that's what happened. Not only that, but that was Desaad disguised as Ds, and he scared the shit out of the Lords of chaos. It came out some Dr.Fate story, just to let you know.

Meh, I pretty much covered what I would've said, further up. [/B][/QUOTE] we do know what to take seriously with superman. we cannot discount what he has done becuz u believe darkseid is superior. not all writers ahre your beliefs and they are the ones who write the stories. superman can and has beaten ds. he isnt flat out superiro but can and has beat him down before.

you always act like bryne or whoever the writer is that portrays superman as being able to hang with ds as having some hidden agenda. face it superman by a few different writers can beat up ds, i believe shcutz had him curbtsomp ds in apokolips now. that is the story you should fear. that is the biggest embarrasssment of ds life. he even admits in the comic on panel how embarrasing the loss is for him.

i have read the fates tory and it was kinda silly. if desaad can scare the lords of chaos then i have absoultey no respect for the lords he scared.

lastly, there is no jobber aura. you either win or lose. ds has been losing as of late, 😉