But what in Jack's actions show that he cares for Elizabeth? And give me something other than "He returned to the Black Pearl" because I don't think that's him doing something just for her. Also, helping Will stab the heart doesn't count because that was done for Will as much as it was for Elizabeth.
Just give me something to prove that Jack loves Elizabeth. Please?
Originally posted by Surreal_44
Just give me something to prove that Jack loves Elizabeth. Please? [/B]
1. His compass doesn't work in DMC...
2. he comes back on the black pearl in order to help her and the rest of the crew in DMC, you mentioned that one 😉
3. when she chains him, he doesn't do anything to hurt her (he has a weapon), he only says: pirate
4. he doesn't try to get revenge in AWE, but he does try to get revenge on Barbarossa!!! He's a pirate, he wouldn't have forgiven her, if he hadn't loved her.
5. when she's in trouble he always helps her (example: parachute scene)
6. the way he looks at her in DMC, the way his eyes change when Beckett mentions her in AWE, ... just look at him
1. His compass not working in DMC is not clearly explained until you listen to the commentary or read stuff on-line. I could certainly agree Elizabeth played a part in it, but according to film canon he had more things on his mind, like what he wanted to do with the heart: To stab or not stab, that is the question.
2. He comes back to the Pearl because it is the right thing to do...period. That doesn't prove love, especially since it involves saving others. (Remember Elizabeth totally ignoring crewmembers dying while she WAITED for Will to free himself, even though he told her to shoot. That's love. )
3. Jack has always, always let people go their own way. It is all about what people do and the choices they make. "They done right by them," he says in CotBP, when he finds out his crew left without him. A mild reaction to having lost his ship once again.
4. Ahem: "Why should I want to sail with any of you? Four of you have tried to kill me, one of you has succeeded....Oh, she didn't tell you? Then you'll have loads to talk about here." In DJ's Locker...where he was planning on leaving Will, Elizabeth, Barbossa, Jack the Monkey, and Pintel and Ragetti.
I wouldn't say that he's in love there.
Read number three to see my take on forgiveness in Jack. 😉
5. True. He helps her a lot, and he helps Will a lot too. Is he in love with Will?
6. There are a few moments where he softens, I admit, but I don't know if that's love, or just fondness. I know I'm being a bit picky, but I don't see the type of demonstrations that I see from Will and Elizabeth that SHOW love.
2. I wouldn't be so sure about it. 😉 It depends how you look at this situation.
3. I disagree. 😄
4. He's been hurt deeply, so it's obvious that he says something bitter. However he doesn't try to kill her in AWE. (He shoots at Barbarossa when they come back and Barbarossa stole his ship not life, why doesn't he shoot at Liz?) He's just not forgotten what she did, but it can be seen that he has forgiven her.
5. He helps a woman that killed him...
6. Jack can't demonstrate his feelings, it's impossible after all she killed him, so why should he demonstrate that he loves her? His actions say it 😉
Originally posted by Surreal_44
5. True. He helps her a lot, and he helps Will a lot too. Is he in love with Will?
well actually since you brought it up....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5SdB_YUCTg
LOL that things you can find on youtube....
Yeah, I agree. They both love elizabeth, but in different ways. Will has a more innocent/ puppy love for Elizabeth - he's probably never had anybody else or any feelings towards anybody else to compare it to. Jack loves Elizabeth, and not just for the sex, but for what she has become and what she could be in the future - I think he can see himself in her as well.
SAVVYSPARROW! YOU'VE GOT IT!
anyway, IMO, the way i see it, my point of view, is that Jack feels like he shouldn't show he loves her anymore because he though she made it a point that she doesn't love him because she killed him.... but, he still loves her!
Lizzie, on the other hand, the way i see it, killed him because she thought jack would just endanger everyone else, and i think that she also did it because she couldn't make up her mind between will and jack, but seeing she's 'honorable', she thought that being with will is the right thing to go.... she regretted doing that in the end though... and she still has something for him!
and all that pales in comparison with the hot wedding scene they did that destroyed my hope about sparrabeth, but so it would seem that there is still something with the 'keep telling yourself that darling' crack jack made.. I think he actually wanted her still, but he knows its wrong, for her and him alike, morally wrong... he is an honorable man after all, honorable pirate, hah, oxymoron lol...
that's what i think...
although, Will does love lizzie, and lizzie's feeling.. half half or something, but she chose to do the honorable and right thing to do... but still! THEY LOOK GREAT TOGETH, HER AND JACK.
Am i the only Sparrabether open to Willabeth lol?
and i think-no, i KNOW jack/will pair is DISTURBING...
Originally posted by Jaeh_JediPirate
anyway, IMO, the way i see it, my point of view, is that Jack feels like he shouldn't show he loves her anymore because he though she made it a point that she doesn't love him because she killed him.... but, he still loves her!Lizzie, on the other hand, the way i see it, killed him because she thought jack would just endanger everyone else, and i think that she also did it because she couldn't make up her mind between will and jack, but seeing she's 'honorable', she thought that being with will is the right thing to go.... she regretted doing that in the end though... and she still has something for him!
Well said! 😄 I also think that even though Lizzie chooses to relent to that "sense of honor and deceny", she realizes that while it is important, it isn't everything. She still feels something for Jack, she can appreciate him being a "pirate" now that she has put herself in a similar situation - does this make any sense?
Although I am a 100% Sparrabeth Shipper, I was actually 'okay' with the Willabeth pairing in COTBP (the island scene and others were guilty pleasures). Once I saw the trailer for DMC, however, I never looked back -lol.
Yeah, the Jack/Will pairing *Shiver* - stuff of nightmares, that is.
Originally posted by savvysparrowluv
Well said! 😄 I also think that even though Lizzie chooses to relent to that "sense of honor and deceny", she realizes that while it is important, it isn't everything. She still feels something for Jack, she can appreciate him being a "pirate" now that she has put herself in a similar situation - does this make any sense?Although I am a 100% Sparrabeth Shipper, I was actually 'okay' with the Willabeth pairing in COTBP (the island scene and others were guilty pleasures). Once I saw the trailer for DMC, however, I never looked back -lol.
Yeah, the Jack/Will pairing *Shiver* - stuff of nightmares, that is.
It makes sense.... 😄 and thanks.. 😊
i'm okay with the wedding, that's the sweetest thing i've ever seen(AWE) though, would've loved it better if Will just let go!
true.. where'd that pairing come from nyway? *shivers*
and all that pales in comparison with the hot wedding scene they did that destroyed my hope about sparrabeth, but so it would seem that there is still something with the 'keep telling yourself that darling' crack jack made.. I think he actually wanted her still, but he knows its wrong, for her and him alike, morally wrong... he is an honorable man after all, honorable pirate, hah, oxymoron lol...
Well i completely agree...The wedding was bloody awful!!!I DIED when i saw it...My every little hope,my undying love for sparrabeth,my damn strong faith- everything died...one long year expecting sparrabeth love,me - everything was suddenly dead and i couldn´t speak i couldn´t do anything....I only somehow started to cry in the cinema...
I know it sounds strangely but it was like my life there ended...
But NO ONE tell me jack didn´t love her!!!!And Surreal i can say i HATE your theories about Jack wanting liz only for sex...god what are you thinking?????this always gets me ❌ Probably you´re too blind to see that there´s really something deeper between them...🙁
Well probably we are too unable to settle with the bloody ending...
But Surreal,even writers said that there was something more that they had feelings fr eachother...and you still keep telling it was just about sex!
I don´t want to argue...but i´ve never said Will doesn´t love her!!!i´ve never said liz doesn´t love will!!! Sparrabethers only keep telling that jack loves her and you can´t settle with it...we´re sometimes even not so convinced liz loved jack...but you must be trying to take this about jack away! 🙁 Don´t you love jack?ok you may even hate him but why are you doing a playboy without any feelings of him?
Really...Jack loved her...well maybe it´s not wrote it´s not said in the movie...maybe he would never tell her about his feelings...but it´s clearly see that he loves her...and no Surreal and willabethers you don´t have to ask me to proof this! Jack and Elizabeth´s relationship was never about proofs...WE maybe needs and needed a proofs but sparrabeth don´t need any proof...sparrabeth just IS...and that´s the MAIN PROOF...
Originally posted by miss_swann
I loved the wedding! I was so happy! I knew it was going to end my way!I cried when she kissed Jack in DMC but then someone.... who I can't remember, who had h&m jeans on at the time.... *shurgs* told me that she didn't love him and that's why she sent him to the locker. And then I was happy! 😄
Jack loved her... refer to my explanation mate.. 😛 if he didn't love her, he should've killed her already! I mean, she chained her to a ship that would be sunk by a huge monster! I think even I would be tempted to kill someone who'd do that to me even if she/he's a friend..!
but yeah... I loved the wedding, but it destroyed all the hope of sparrabeth for me.. *sighs* but still, I think it rocked lol!
Originally posted by JacksSweet
and all that pales in comparison with the hot wedding scene they did that destroyed my hope about sparrabeth, but so it would seem that there is still something with the 'keep telling yourself that darling' crack jack made.. I think he actually wanted her still, but he knows its wrong, for her and him alike, morally wrong... he is an honorable man after all, honorable pirate, hah, oxymoron lol...Well i completely agree...The wedding was bloody awful!!!I DIED when i saw it...My every little hope,my undying love for sparrabeth,my damn strong faith- everything died...one long year expecting sparrabeth love,me - everything was suddenly dead and i couldn´t speak i couldn´t do anything....I only somehow started to cry in the cinema...
I know it sounds strangely but it was like my life there ended...
whoa, calm down mate! (refers to your posts connected to that one that i didn't put because it doesn't fit...)
yeah... I was rooting.. hoping for sparrabeth, but when i knew it was gonna be a Willabeth ending, i watched it nevertheless, but a part of me was still kinda disappointed. I transferred to a neutral ship then, it helped, but, i still was rooting for sparrabeth, and the movie's over! *sigh*
and because i can't get over Sparrabeth, I'm gonna return to my old post in the Sparrabeth ship... 😊