Fruit of the vine: Did Jesus drink fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine?

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Why on Earth would he specify grape juice as what he didn’t want to drink and not say water or any other substance when all other reference in the Bible talk about getting drunk which would interfere with your connection to God?

There is something amiss. You seem to be fixated on what Jesus said without being able to comprehend why He said it.

It is not about the grape juice.

Jesus' point was simply to inform His disciples that He would not be able to meet with them and drink the fruit of the vine with them--because He was about to be crucified. It was the significance of drinking the juice with His disciples (personally) that Jesus was alluding to that would cease (temporarily). Not one of Jesus' disciples (myself included) has personally drank fruit of the vine new with Jesus since. But we will after the Rapture.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is something amiss. You seem to be fixated on what Jesus said without being able to comprehend why He said it.

It is not about the grape juice.

Jesus' point was simply to inform His disciples that He would not be able to meet with them and drink the fruit of the vine with them--because He was about to be crucified. It was the significance of drinking the juice with His disciples (personally) that Jesus was alluding to that would cease (temporarily). Not one of Jesus' disciples (myself included) has personally drank fruit of the vine new with Jesus since. But we will after the Rapture.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Fine, if this is so perfectly clear why is it that throughout the years of people that study and read the Bible is this still in debate in your own faith and please don’t tell me that in your few lived years that you have a greater understanding of the Bible then the centuries of study.

A person who knows everything cannot learn anything. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A person who knows everything cannot learn anything. 😉

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
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Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Fine, if this is so perfectly clear why is it that throughout the years of people that study and read the Bible is this still in debate in your own faith and please don’t tell me that in your few lived years that you have a greater understanding of the Bible then the centuries of study.

People don't debate about Jesus no longer being able to drink fruit of the vine new with His disciples until after the Rapture, they debate about what it was that He drank. In other words, they debate about whether Jesus drank grape juice or fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine. In that scenario it is about the juice, but in our discussion it is not (that is not the crux of our discussion).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A person who knows everything cannot learn anything. 😉

I don't know everything. I learn things from you. I learn things from PITT_HAPPENS. In fact, I learn from everyone on and off of this forum. But what I do know, I state (just like you do).

😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
People don't debate about Jesus no longer being able to drink fruit of the vine new with His disciples until after the Rapture, they debate about [B]what it was that He drank. In other words, they debate about whether Jesus drank grape juice or fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine. In that scenario it is about the juice, but in our discussion it is not (that is not the crux of our discussion). [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
People don't debate about Jesus no longer being able to drink fruit of the vine new with His disciples until after the Rapture, they debate about [B]what it was that He drank. In other words, they debate about whether Jesus drank grape juice or fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine. In that scenario it is about the juice, but in our discussion it is not (that is not the crux of our discussion). [/B]

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Scripture contains many warnings regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4,7,14; 1 Samuel 1:15; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4,6; Isaiah 5:11,22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Micah 2:11; Luke 1:15). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs “drink wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:11 encourages “yes, come buy wine and milk…”

What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or might encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but necessarily not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful or addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the Biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to over-consumption of alcohol, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others – it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Scripture contains many warnings regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4,7,14; 1 Samuel 1:15; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4,6; Isaiah 5:11,22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Micah 2:11; Luke 1:15). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs “drink wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:11 encourages “yes, come buy wine and milk…”

What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or might encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but necessarily not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful or addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the Biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to over-consumption of alcohol, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others – it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol.

Jesus drank fruit of the vine.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus drank fruit of the vine.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
DUH, which is wine. duuuh

[QUOTE=9232857]Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The phrase [b]fruit if the vine is a reference to grape juice. Grape juice is unfermented (i.e. non-alcoholic).

[B]Matthew 26:29
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

Mark 14:25
Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[QUOTE=9232857]Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]The phrase [b]fruit if the vine is a reference to grape juice. Grape juice is unfermented (i.e. non-alcoholic).

Matthew 26:29
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

Mark 14:25
Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Wine! He got ****ed up on wine!

Praise the LORD! 👆

Just some links from your religion saying that he drank wine.

http://www.wcg.org/lit/booklets/alcohol/biblwine.htm

"There are many other references to wine throughout the Bible showing that it is actually an alcoholic drink. Now with this scriptural evidence, comes the next question. Is it sinful to drink wine? The answer to this question is that the wine itself is not sinful, because sin is in the heart of man and does not exist in any object of itself. It is the drunkenness and intoxication that comes about when a man drinks too much that causes him sin. The Bible teaches discipline and moderation; even eating too much food is a sin and is called the sin of gluttony in the Bible."
http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=213