Fruit of the vine: Did Jesus drink fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine?

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Fruit of the vine: Did Jesus drink fermented (i.e. alcoholic) wine?

The phrase fruit if the vine is a reference to grape juice. Grape juice is unfermented (i.e. non-alcoholic).

Matthew 26:29
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

Mark 14:25
Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Luke 22:18
for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/read/was_the_fruit_of_the_vine_fermented

http://www.newtestamentchurch.org/york/libraryfiles/FRUITOV.html

Jesus drank my urine. Enough with the stupid threads.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Jesus drank my urine. Enough with the stupid threads.

We were getting off topic.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
😆 The whole post is about getting drunk, not drinking at all. Read you own post, and yes they do know for an absolute fact what makes some handle alcohol more than others and not only what but can measure it and duplicate it.

That is not what I inferred from it.

Washington had two on the vine
I mean two pairs of testicles
So divine

You don't need to make a new thread for each and every bit of your bullshit, it's not that funny.

Originally posted by Boris
You don't need to make a new thread for each and every bit of your bullshit, it's not that funny.

The thread had nothing to do with drugs or alcohol.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My reasoning is better then yours.

More assumptions.

😂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is not what I inferred from it.
That is only because you read what you want from it, in all references in that post it talked about getting drunk not drinking, back then it was safer to drink wine than water and they didn't have the capability to make non-alcoholic wine which would have even been deadlier with the already tainted water and no way to refrigerate it.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
That is only because you read what you want from it, in all references in that post it talked about getting drunk not drinking, back then it was safer to drink wine than water and they didn't have the capability to make non-alcoholic wine which would have even been deadlier with the already tainted water and no way to refrigerate it.

Read the links on page one.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Read the links on page one.
I have, why do you think I posted what I did, you need to read it again.

Guess you didn't read this either
http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I have, why do you think I posted what I did, you need to read it again.

Those two links are brand new. There were ways to remove the alcoholic content of wine (read the first link).

Why would you want to remove the alcohol? No fun there at all.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Those two links are brand new. There were ways to remove the alcoholic content of wine (read the first link).
As I said, read your own post.

"As to the nature of the “fruit of the vine,” employed during the Passover supper, the New Testament (Mt. 26:26-29, et al) itself is not explicit in its definition of the expression. Linguistically, it could denote grape juice, or, on the other hand, what we commonly call “wine” (with some degree of fermentation)."

Fruit of the vine must be wine because the Passover feast was in the spring and grapes were not ripe yet. Sense there is no way to preserving grape juice the substance used by Jesus at the “Lords Supper” must have been fermented.

Not getting drunk, from your own faith. This is why I say rubbish and your view is skewed.

http://www.thebiblespeaks.com/Donts/drinking.htm
http://www.scionofzion.com/drinking.htm

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
As I said, read your own post.

"As to the nature of the “fruit of the vine,” employed during the Passover supper, the New Testament (Mt. 26:26-29, et al) itself is not explicit in its definition of the expression. Linguistically, [b]it could denote grape juice, or, on the other hand, what we commonly call “wine” (with some degree of fermentation)." [/B]

You are reading selectively, besides Jesus would not do anything that raises any suspicion about His character or sinlessness. Jesus lived a sinless life; therefore, all suppositions about whether He drank or made alcoholic wine would be centered on the axis of His sinlessness.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are reading selectively, besides Jesus would not do anything that raises any suspicion about His character or sinlessness. Jesus lived a sinless life; therefore, all suppositions about whether He drank or made alcoholic wine would be centered on the axis of His sinlessness.
What if drinking alcohol is not a sin though?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Fruit of the vine must be wine because the Passover feast was in the spring and grapes were not ripe yet. Sense there is no way to preserving grape juice the substance used by Jesus at the “Lords Supper” must have been fermented.

There were ways just because you are not aware of them does not negate them (not to mention that the Romans perhaps did it).

Originally posted by Bardock42
What if drinking alcohol is not a sin though?

I don't believe that it is but there is the principle of avoiding the appearance of evil or not becoming a stumbling block to someone who has a weakness for it.