Originally posted by red g jacksIt does. Just no more than mine. Being more powerful doesn't mean your ideas are absolute. Sure I could beat up my little brother, but it doesn't make my views better than his.
well cause jew god believes in morality. hence the 10 commandments. and since he is god and all.. i would think his opinion counts?
Originally posted by red g jacks
not really. if he is all knowing his ideas always have to be right. so either he doesnt have morals and they dont exist or he does have morals and they are absolute.
Knowledge is not good or bad so that is irrelevant.
Facts are objective. You can not argue a fact. For example, the GDF people were talking about the cops shooting at a car 50 times - is that excessive? The opinions we express are truths. The cops shooting at the car 50 times, that is a fact.
Morals work the same way as opinions: they can never be completely objective.
Facts are objective and can often just be summed up as "the event that took place." Facts can not be changed because someone changed their mind. It happened or it didn't. It is or it is not.
Example: God does not exist or God does exist - opinions (relative)
Let's say God shows himself - fact (even if those who did not believe in God accept God or not)
Originally posted by red g jacks
not really. if he is all knowing his ideas always have to be right. so either he doesnt have morals and they dont exist or he does have morals and they are absolute.
Or this absolute god is something invented by humans to establish an absolute morality in a relativistic world.
^possible. like i said depends on who's right.
Originally posted by chithappenswell there is a difference between opinion and fact, the only part thats debatable is whether morality is a matter of opinion or fact. now scientifically we can't prove it exists but that doesn't mean it can't. obviously from a secular point of view morality is always opinion but from a religious point of view god decides what is right and wrong since god created the universe these rules apply to. he can't have subjective opinions if he always knows the right answer.
Knowledge is not good or bad so that is irrelevant.Facts are objective. You can not argue a fact. For example, the GDF people were talking about the cops shooting at a car 50 times - is that excessive? The opinions we express are truths. The cops shooting at the car 50 times, that is a fact.
Morals work the same way as opinions: they can never be completely objective.
Facts are objective and can often just be summed up as "the event that took place." Facts can not be changed because someone changed their mind. It happened or it didn't. It is or it is not.
Example: God does not exist or God does exist - opinions (relative)
Let's say God shows himself - fact (even if those who did not believe in God accept God or not)
Originally posted by red g jacksAs I said before. Even an allknowing God doesn't mean that there are absolute morals.
^possible. like i said depends on who's right.
well there is a difference between opinion and fact, the only part thats debatable is whether morality is a matter of opinion or fact. now scientifically we can't prove it exists but that doesn't mean it can't. obviously from a secular point of view morality is always opinion but from a religious point of view god decides what is right and wrong since god created the universe these rules apply to. he can't have subjective opinions if he always knows the right answer.
^well truth be told you're asking the wrong guy. contrary to popular belief im not god.
however.. hypothetically speaking... if god were to create a set of rules and a concept of right and wrong for the earth's inhabitants.. that would lead me to believe that free will is a vital part of that concept.. since without the choice to disobey the rules, "morality" really means nothing
Originally posted by Bardock42u dont have to accept them. i believe that's commonly referred to as 'sin'
Not really. Why would you have to accept his morals?