Originally posted by carver9😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 superman is of such vital importance and has beaten way tougher opponents that brb has ever faced. sorry but brb goes down here, supes for the win.
Show me superman standing on top of a planet destroying it with his fist. Show me superman destroying any types of planets with his fist.Never happened but it has happened on numerous of occasions with br.
The most famous example has been Superman 1 shotting a moon.
Others have been when he fought Zod and the planet was being destroyed from the shockwaves of their fight...or when frustrated and he was punching the moon and MM commented that if he were to keep doing that the moon would be destroyed. Him heating up the Earth with HV from across the solar system..etc.
You really won't see Supes destroying planets on panel. He's a good guy after all.
I'm seeing a lot of "he wins cause he's Superman" type logic. That can cut it in comics, but shouldn't hold water here.
I give BrB 6/10 over Superman, the same odds I would give Thor. Bill is very likely to win a battle against Supes, as Supes will not be giving it his best at the start. That's simply not his character and he hasn't been stated to be blood lusted. Nothing less than Clark's absolute best will put BrB away.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I'm seeing a lot of "he wins cause he's Superman" type logic. That can cut it in comics, but shouldn't hold water here.I give BrB 6/10 over Superman, the same odds I would give Thor. Bill is very likely to win a battle against Supes, as Supes will not be giving it his best at the start. That's simply not his character and he hasn't been stated to be blood lusted. Nothing less than Clark's absolute best will put BrB away.
I imagine both of them would hold back at the start, but Superman more than Bill. Getting some Stormbreaker up in a second to back up BRB's planety destroying skills.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The most famous example has been Superman 1 shotting a moon.
Others have been when he fought Zod and the planet was being destroyed from the shockwaves of their fight...or when frustrated and he was punching the moon and MM commented that if he were to keep doing that the moon would be destroyed. Him heating up the Earth with HV from across the solar system..etc.You really won't see Supes destroying planets on panel. He's a good guy after all.
So it's extrapolation??
He's never actually hit the ground of a planet a couple times and turned it to dust?
He basically drilled through a moon once, which i always see as a speedfeat before a strength feat.
And when he thought he was gonna lose Lois, he was gonna knock the moon out of orbit, not destroy it.
Well, that would've destroyed it indirectly, but not the way Avy is implying it.
The Russian Zod vs Superman fight is the closest example to planet busting power he has.
As for this fight, KMC rules equal Superman wins.
Going by in comic?
Superman wins the second round, after being koed by a hotblooded Bill.
Nope.
After he loses the second round and comes to, Jimmy asks if the big guy is alright, Superman says he'll manage and take Bill down by separating him from the hammer for a second and getting in a major haymaker.
That's how he wins in comic.
KMC rules are basically making it powerset vs powerset.
If Superman didn't have the combat speed that he does, Bill would get the clear majority from me.
Bills range and level of power<Superman dropping him within seconds with a speedblitz.
Originally posted by UniOmni
He basically drilled through a moon once, which i always see as a speedfeat before a strength feat.
Except he never drilled, it was a 1 shot feat busting through it fists first.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And when he thought he was gonna lose Lois, he was gonna knock the moon out of orbit, not destroy it.Well, that would've destroyed it indirectly, but not the way Avy is implying it.
He wasn't trying to destroy the moon, but the fact that the hits were strong enough to have sent it out of orbit shows that he has the strength to break it apart the same way.
Originally posted by UniOmni
The Russian Zod vs Superman fight is the closest example to planet busting power he has.
It happened in the Darkseid fight as well, but they didn't narrate it the same way.
Originally posted by UniOmni
As for this fight, KMC rules equal Superman wins.Going by in comic?
Superman wins the second round, after being koed by a hotblooded Bill.
In a comic I doubt he would be Ko'd...he usually let's himself take some powerful hits breaking up his cape...and then comes back up to win after knowing the opponents power level.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Except he never drilled, it was a 1 shot feat busting through it fists first.He wasn't trying to destroy the moon, but the fact that the hits were strong enough to have sent it out of orbit shows that he has the strength to break it apart the same way.
It happened in the Darkseid fight as well, but they didn't narrate it the same way.
In a comic I doubt he would be Ko'd...he usually let's himself take some powerful hits breaking up his cape...and then comes back up to win after knowing the opponents power level.
Avy, it's not planet busting strength if he flies through a planet and basically tackles his way through.
He charged through a moon.
That is not proof of planet busting strength, and it's a reach to try to pass it off as such.
And if that's the case, then Herc and Thor are capable of destroying earth, via their armwrestling which threatened to do the same.
I wouldn't use that as proof of planet busting strength, and i wouldn't recommend you do so either.
Superman is still the most consistently strong top tier without using amplifying feats needlessly.
In my one year of reading the Superman backlog from 94-2006, i can't recall a speedblitz actually dropping any character of note that wasn't in a team setting.
Can anyone post scans, or give me issues and recaps?
Just think it's kinda silly to weigh on the speedblitz argument, if it hasn't been used to decisively end fights.
No one has to, Omni. First, many of us know he is capable of flying near light speed. Second, KMC rules state that when a battle takes place a character is fighting to the utmost of his abilities and can use any or skill sets to the best of that character's abilities.
End result: This spells doom for BRB. 😬
