Originally posted by BobbyD
No one has to, Omni. First, many of us know he is capable of flying near light speed. Second, KMC rules state that when a battle takes place a character is fighting to the utmost of his abilities and can use any or skill sets to the best of that character's abilities.End result: This spells doom for BRB. 😬
Matter Manipulation: This lets you make your enemies explode from the inside.
Originally posted by BobbyD
No one has to, Omni. First, many of us know he is capable of flying near light speed. Second, KMC rules state that when a battle takes place a character is fighting to the utmost of his abilities and can use any or skill sets to the best of that character's abilities.End result: This spells doom for BRB. 😬
I think his point is that if Superman has never done it then it could be said to be outside his skills to do it.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Since Bill is someone he's never seen before, in an effort to build up credibility and longevity, he has to drop him first.Has to.
Once one drop is had, he is free to be turned out at will.
But that one drop must happen or he fails bigtime as a credible villain/rival.
Getting one win and then being flattened from then on is worse than just losing right away IMO. All that would show is the one win was just a fluke.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Avy, it's not planet busting strength if he flies through a planet and basically tackles his way through.He charged through a moon.
That is not proof of planet busting strength, and it's a reach to try to pass it off as such.
And if that's the case, then Herc and Thor are capable of destroying earth, via their armwrestling which threatened to do the same.
I wouldn't use that as proof of planet busting strength, and i wouldn't recommend you do so either.
Superman is still the most consistently strong top tier without using amplifying feats needlessly.
So you think Superman's flight is more powerful than his strength? Seriously, you're nitpicking. Those were just simple examples showing what the guy is capable of.
Originally posted by Validus
Funny thing is Bill would likely get dropped even harder in a comic than he would here, likely in an even more embarrassing way than Thor.
🙂
Originally posted by Validus
Who made up that rule?Getting one win and then being flattened from then on is worse than just losing right away IMO. All that would show is the one win was just a fluke.
I'm coming at this from the stance of Billy Boy being a new rival/foe for Superman in a comic, with the intent to be used again later down the road.
If in his initial showing he's flatout embarassed, it's killing the lifeline and longevity of his character.
Look at Preus..
He came on the scene, dominated Superman and was taken out by Superman + help.
Next showing, he's dropped by an aged, poisoned Superman.
Austen is an incredibly inept writer, but at least Preus got that good initial showing under his belt.
Look at Russian Zod - Broke Supermans jaw, stalemated him in OWAW, and then was being stalemated by Superman under a Red sun, which powers Zod and weakens Superman.
Stupid move to have all the cards in his corner and still somehow lose but better treatment than Preus.
If Bill was meant to have any kind of use as a rival/villain in a Superman book, he must get that initial showing where he's shown to be >=Superman.
After that showing, DC would probably turn him out at the end of a 5.5 inch kryptoian dikk, but their schtick seems to be tossing aside good villains to the S shield.
But even they would give him that great initial showing.
Originally posted by TyrantWhat about when he was fighting Black Adam, and its noted that his punch would have knocked a moon in half?
Cough... a moon is not a planet.
Plus, he it was a durability feat, not a strength feat.
Originally posted by Tyrant
Cough... a moon is not a planet.
Plus, he it was a durability feat, not a strength feat.
MadSci Network: Astronomy
Query:
Re: What is the difference between A moon and A planet?
Date: Tue Jun 1 13:40:53 1999
Posted By: Dan Berger, MadSci Admin
Area of science: Astronomy
ID: 928096867.As Message:
Your question is like asking, "If a triangle were a square, could it have four sides?"
The difference between a moon and a planet is entirely semantic. A planet orbits a star. A moon orbits a planet. That's pretty much it.
The composition of moons and planets has far more to do with their position in the solar system (bodies closer to the sun have more rock and less ice) than with what they orbit.
Consider the planet Mercury. Mercury is smaller than the moons Ganymede (Jupiter) and Titan (Saturn). Nevertheless, Mercury orbits the Sun; Ganymede and Titan orbit planets.
Consider Pluto. Pluto is smaller than no less than seven of the moons in our solar system, including Neptune's Triton, which is thought to be very similar to Pluto and even to have once been a planet.
(It's true that there was recently an abortive move to reclassify Pluto as a Kuiper-belt object -- that is, not-a-planet in the same way that the asteroid Ceres is not considered a planet. But that failed, partly, I suspect, because Clyde Tombaugh is still alive and well-liked.)
For more on the solar system, see The Nine Planets.
Dan Berger
MadSci Administrator
Originally posted by UniOmniSo you give Bill one out of ten then? He hurts Superman badly, then Supes disposes of him in panel or two each subsequent time?
I'm coming at this from the stance of Billy Boy being a new rival/foe for Superman in a comic, with the intent to be used again later down the road.If in his initial showing he's flatout embarassed, it's killing the lifeline and longevity of his character.
Look at Preus..
He came on the scene, dominated Superman and was taken out by Superman + help.
Next showing, he's dropped by an aged, poisoned Superman.
Austen is an incredibly inept writer, but at least Preus got that good initial showing under his belt.
Look at Russian Zod - Broke Supermans jaw, stalemated him in OWAW, and then was being stalemated by Superman under a Red sun, which powers Zod and weakens Superman.
Stupid move to have all the cards in his corner and still somehow lose but better treatment than Preus.
If Bill was meant to have any kind of use as a rival/villain in a Superman book, he must get that initial showing where he's shown to be >=Superman.
After that showing, DC would probably turn him out at the end of a 5.5 inch kryptoian dikk, but their schtick seems to be tossing aside good villains to the S shield.
But even they would give him that great initial showing.
Either way, none of that is relivent here really, he's not a superman villain, and this is the forum, not a comic book. If it were a comic book, Flash and Martian Manhunter would always fall first, and Batman can kick top tier/cosmic ass.
Though I have to ask, since you said he'd KO him...Who was the last character you remember knocking Superman completely unconscious in direct impartial confrontation?[eg, no sneak attacks, standing in kryptonite for Kal, Under red sun, etc]
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
MadSci Network: Astronomy
Query:
Re: What is the difference between A moon and A planet?
Date: Tue Jun 1 13:40:53 1999
Posted By: Dan Berger, MadSci Admin
Area of science: Astronomy
ID: 928096867.As Message:Your question is like asking, "If a triangle were a square, could it have four sides?"
[b]The difference between a moon and a planet is entirely semantic. A planet orbits a star. A moon orbits a planet. That's pretty much it.
The composition of moons and planets has far more to do with their position in the solar system (bodies closer to the sun have more rock and less ice) than with what they orbit.
Consider the planet Mercury. Mercury is smaller than the moons Ganymede (Jupiter) and Titan (Saturn). Nevertheless, Mercury orbits the Sun; Ganymede and Titan orbit planets.
Consider Pluto. Pluto is smaller than no less than seven of the moons in our solar system, including Neptune's Triton, which is thought to be very similar to Pluto and even to have once been a planet.
(It's true that there was recently an abortive move to reclassify Pluto as a Kuiper-belt object -- that is, not-a-planet in the same way that the asteroid Ceres is not considered a planet. But that failed, partly, I suspect, because Clyde Tombaugh is still alive and well-liked.)
For more on the solar system, see The Nine Planets.
Dan Berger
MadSci Administrator [/B]
And yet all he destroyed was a moon of Saturn. All of which are far smaller than most planets.
The implication of being able to destroy a planet is that the planet is roughly the size of earth.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So you think Superman's flight is more powerful than his strength? Seriously, you're nitpicking. Those were just simple examples showing what the guy is capable of.🙂
You're reaching man if you're trying to pass off that feat as an example of planet busting strength.
Superman does have moon busting capabilities, when he can focus his speed and durability into a super tackle, which is exactly what he did in that comic.
To pass that off as proof that he can punch apart a planet is a whole 'nother ball game tho.
And to Jun, we take characters words as law now?
Until he throws that punch that splits a moon in half, he hasn't the power, despite what he said to the contrary.
Superman is still the most consistently strong top tier in comics.
I don't see the need to reach at feats.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I'm coming at this from the stance of Billy Boy being a new rival/foe for Superman in a comic, with the intent to be used again later down the road.If in his initial showing he's flatout embarassed, it's killing the lifeline and longevity of his character.
Look at Preus..
He came on the scene, dominated Superman and was taken out by Superman + help.
Next showing, he's dropped by an aged, poisoned Superman.
Austen is an incredibly inept writer, but at least Preus got that good initial showing under his belt.
Look at Russian Zod - Broke Supermans jaw, stalemated him in OWAW, and then was being stalemated by Superman under a Red sun, which powers Zod and weakens Superman.
Stupid move to have all the cards in his corner and still somehow lose but better treatment than Preus.
If Bill was meant to have any kind of use as a rival/villain in a Superman book, he must get that initial showing where he's shown to be >=Superman.
After that showing, DC would probably turn him out at the end of a 5.5 inch kryptoian dikk, but their schtick seems to be tossing aside good villains to the S shield.
But even they would give him that great initial showing.
Originally posted by JuntaiI was just talking about the one time he actually did it, and it's taken as though he punched right through it, when he actually flew through it.
What about when he was fighting Black Adam, and its noted that his punch would have knocked a moon in half?
That one would have been strength, though he pulled the punch when Black Adam turned out.
Oh, and nothing there suggested that Superman was maxing it out, he just said that he didn't have to be as careful with Adam as he normally does against others.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWait, isn't Pluto believed to be a moon from Neptune?
MadSci Network: Astronomy
Query:
Re: What is the difference between A moon and A planet?
Date: Tue Jun 1 13:40:53 1999
Posted By: Dan Berger, MadSci Admin
Area of science: Astronomy
ID: 928096867.As Message:Your question is like asking, "If a triangle were a square, could it have four sides?"
[b]The difference between a moon and a planet is entirely semantic. A planet orbits a star. A moon orbits a planet. That's pretty much it.
The composition of moons and planets has far more to do with their position in the solar system (bodies closer to the sun have more rock and less ice) than with what they orbit.
Consider the planet Mercury. Mercury is smaller than the moons Ganymede (Jupiter) and Titan (Saturn). Nevertheless, Mercury orbits the Sun; Ganymede and Titan orbit planets.
Consider Pluto. Pluto is smaller than no less than seven of the moons in our solar system, including Neptune's Triton, which is thought to be very similar to Pluto and even to have once been a planet.
(It's true that there was recently an abortive move to reclassify Pluto as a Kuiper-belt object -- that is, not-a-planet in the same way that the asteroid Ceres is not considered a planet. But that failed, partly, I suspect, because Clyde Tombaugh is still alive and well-liked.)
For more on the solar system, see The Nine Planets.
Dan Berger
MadSci Administrator [/B]
Plus, if you're implying that one of Saturn's moon, is comparable to average planets...
Originally posted by UniOmniNot all words are to be taken as law, but I'm fairly sure Superman knows how strong he is. If we didn't take at least some dialog into consideration, not many feats in all of comics have any base at all. We've seen him smash though a moon in 2000, then 6 years later, we hear him say his punches can do it. I don't see how that's reaching at all.
You're reaching man if you're trying to pass off that feat as an example of planet busting strength.Superman does have moon busting capabilities, when he can focus his speed and durability into a super tackle, which is exactly what he did in that comic.
To pass that off as proof that he can punch apart a planet is a whole 'nother ball game tho.
And to Jun, we take characters words as law now?
Until he throws that punch that splits a moon in half, he hasn't the power, despite what he said to the contrary.
Superman is still the most consistently strong top tier in comics.
I don't see the need to reach at feats.
Originally posted by Juntai
So you give Bill one out of ten then? He hurts Superman badly, then Supes disposes of him in panel or two each subsequent time?Either way, none of that is relivent here really, he's not a superman villain, and this is the forum, not a comic book. If it were a comic book, Flash and Martian Manhunter would always fall first, and Batman can kick top tier/cosmic ass.
Though I have to ask, since you said he'd KO him...Who was the last character you remember knocking Superman completely unconscious in direct impartial confrontation?[eg, no sneak attacks, standing in kryptonite for Kal, Under red sun, etc]
The last guy who got that KO was likely Khyber, or the big Aryan looking guy from the Next miniseries.
Both new villains/rivals who got that good showing.
And i already admitted that in KMCs laughable rulebook, Superman gets the win, since it's cbrlite here.
In comic presentation?
Bill goes for the throat way before the thought crosses Superman's mind.
Originally posted by Validus
I'm not even sure why you're bothering to argue if you're only giving Bill 1/10. You might actually be the biggest Superman supporter in this thread.
His argument is based off how he thinks an encounter between them in a comic would play out. Because he's psychic and can actually make that judgement accurately.