For god's sake, Quan, how can you be like this?
You do not have the experience to argue any sort of view about Zelda whatsoever. And what views you do have show evidence of an extremely shallow perspective, with blatant disregard for anything that disagrees with your cozy current stance.
Actually experience the games you deign to attempt discussing, and then you may speak on their content. Until then, your opinion on them is hollow.
And if anyone wants to claim that G-rated things cannot have mature themes in them...I give you Disney. Yes, all those cutesy movies that kids like. Which are largely based on seriously ****ed up faerie tales (want to be shocked speechless, go read the original versions of Cinderella. Or the Little Mermaid. Or any faerie tale you are familiar with).
Some examples:
- Mufasa's death in Lion King. Scar arranged his death, made his son witness it, made Simba believe it was his fault, made him run away, and then told everyone that Simba died as well and took control. Then again, this movie was based off of Hamlet, so yeah.
- The Little Mermaid. Triton getting pissed off and wrecking Ariel's stuff is a scary thing to see as a young child. As is Ursula when she's got the Trident and using its powers. It is shown rather clearly that anyone who Ursula grants a wish to but does not succeed on her terms is doomed to eternal torment, and that Ursula takes huge amounts of glee from this.
- Beauty and the Beast. Belle is largely shunned because she isn't a brainless ditz and refuses the advances of Gaston. In revenge, he has her father locked up in an asylum and leads an attack on the Beast's castle. Simply because she wouldn't marry him. The Beast himself is no gentleman, as he essentially holds Belle hostage, but he at least gains some development throughout the movie.
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Oh my ****, where do I even start with this one. So I'll just sum it up with this video, where Frollo is showing just how obsessed with Esmerelda he is, and basically saying that she must burn in hell. Because he lusts for her.
- Mulan. She risks everything - including death - to take her father's place and save his life. Even after proving herself time and time again, when her identity is found out they still insist that she be killed, and while she isn't, they still ignore her warnings that she gives until she's forced to act on her own to keep the Emperor from being killed.
And those are just examples from my very favorite movies. Yes, it may be G-rated, but they still contain rather dark and mature themes.
And if anyone wants to see a dark take on a faerie tale? Read the book Deerskin by Robin McKinley. It is an amazing book - one of my very favorites - but it is definitely very dark and mature stuff.
Faerie tales weren't originally made to entertain kids, guys. They were meant to scare them and warn them off of things and to teach a lesson. They weren't all "happily ever after".
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's you who doesn't get it nor will you ever. The ratings backs me up not any of you, sport.You can also make a woman climax but I guess that's no big deal either, right?
This is just getting ridiculous.... F*** your ratings, they are retarded, and don't mean sh**. As, my friend, Aura pointed out awhile back, KH got a T rating because of one scene that had blood in it. A game related to Disney, which is certainly "kiddie friendly" has a TEEN rating because of one scene. Again, and hopefully this is the last time I have to tell u... ESRB ratings F***ING are meaningless.
GTA did it first, and I was little when it first happened to me.... so yeah, no big deal. It's not like it traumatized me, or anything.
You know... it's really sad that ppl half your age still have to tell u this, and that you still don't understand.... oh well, it's just more proof that maturity has nothing to do with age. 😄
Also.... F*** Twilight, I hate it so much... u have no idea. The books were "ok" to an extent. I started reading them because Vampires kick ass.... but the whole sparkle idea, and the non violence really pissed me off. Eclipse was ok because there was actually a fight at the end, and leads me to believe that the 3rd movie will be bearible at least. The 4th book was utter sh** after I finished it. I thought it would be ok towards the end because they spent half of the book preparing for the fight with the Volturi... and idroduce a bunch of kick-ass vamps into the series, but no... Towards the end when they all meet at the end, not one F***INg thing happens... they all talk it out and leave... continuing to live out their lives as if it never even happened.
To an added note... Kristen Stewart is a good actress in my opinion. A lot of ppl say that she is horrible actress after she took on the Twilight series, but I personally believe that she took on Bella's personality almost perfectly. If you read the books you find that Bella doesn't really have one.... she's just a b*** that doesn't believe in herself, and tries to be nice to everyone so the can be friends, but doesn't care to tear out their heart if it's for Edward... the Cullens are essentially the only thing she actually cares about, although she doesn't admit it until after the damage to Jacob was done. If you watch her other movies though she's pretty good as far as acting goes. The Messengers was decent, and I enjoyed the Runaways because I'm a big rock fan. Panic Room was ok too... didn't really like the movie, but she was still doing some decent acting in it.
and DBZ is beast... I'll always be a fan. DBGT was a shame to the series, but SS4 Goku & SS4 Gogeta was just awesome. It really sucks that they aren't cannon.
edit: Also Quan, your opinion of Zelda needs to stop now, you have no idea what your talking about. First off, a lot of the games are similiar beacuse of their enemies, but that has nothing to do with originalality. A lot of francizes do this. Most of the games are completly different, and Miyamoto experiments a lot with this series. As far as I'm concerned the series may not have made a better game since OoT, but that game was legendary. It was at the dawn of 3D gaming, and has influenced a lot of newer games today. Even though they haven't made a game that most Zelda fans like better that OoT, it doesn't mean that the newer games are starting to suck, or that the fan base is dropping. I personally like TP, WW, and the handheld games... they are actually quite enjoyable, and I'm sure that a lot more Zelda fans, other than me, will agree. So as far as I'm concerned, untill u beat all, or at least play all off the Zelda games. Your opinion doesn't man s***.
Originally posted by Peach😆 I loved Disney when I was a kid.... but looking back on the plots now, and realizing how messed up they are is just great.
And if anyone wants to claim that G-rated things cannot have mature themes in them...I give you Disney. Yes, all those cutesy movies that kids like. Which are largely based on seriously ****ed up faerie tales (want to be shocked speechless, go read the original versions of Cinderella. Or the Little Mermaid. Or any faerie tale you are familiar with).Some examples:
- Mufasa's death in Lion King. Scar arranged his death, made his son witness it, made Simba believe it was his fault, made him run away, and then told everyone that Simba died as well and took control. Then again, this movie was based off of Hamlet, so yeah.
- The Little Mermaid. Triton getting pissed off and wrecking Ariel's stuff is a scary thing to see as a young child. As is Ursula when she's got the Trident and using its powers. It is shown rather clearly that anyone who Ursula grants a wish to but does not succeed on her terms is doomed to eternal torment, and that Ursula takes huge amounts of glee from this.
- Beauty and the Beast. Belle is largely shunned because she isn't a brainless ditz and refuses the advances of Gaston. In revenge, he has her father locked up in an asylum and leads an attack on the Beast's castle. Simply because she wouldn't marry him. The Beast himself is no gentleman, as he essentially holds Belle hostage, but he at least gains some development throughout the movie.
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Oh my ****, where do I even start with this one. So I'll just sum it up with this video, where Frollo is showing just how obsessed with Esmerelda he is, and basically saying that she must burn in hell. Because he lusts for her.
- Mulan. She risks everything - including death - to take her father's place and save his life. Even after proving herself time and time again, when her identity is found out they still insist that she be killed, and while she isn't, they still ignore her warnings that she gives until she's forced to act on her own to keep the Emperor from being killed.
And those are just examples from my very favorite movies. Yes, it may be G-rated, but they still contain rather dark and mature themes.
And if anyone wants to see a dark take on a faerie tale? Read the book Deerskin by Robin McKinley. It is an amazing book - one of my very favorites - but it is definitely very dark and mature stuff.
Faerie tales weren't originally made to entertain kids, guys. They were meant to scare them and warn them off of things and to teach a lesson. They weren't all "happily ever after".
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Is it about the slaughter of Bambi's mother?
That scene can still give me the chills.
Not so much of a fan of Bambi, though, so it didn't come immediately to mind even though yes, that is a rather dark and mature scene too.
I am a big fan of faerie tales myself, and it's really because of Disney that I got into them and began researching into the original versions to begin with. And I seriously recommend to anyone that likes that sort of stuff to read Deerskin. It's not for the squeamish, but it is an absolutely amazing book.
Originally posted by Peach
- Mufasa's death in Lion King. Scar arranged his death, made his son witness it, made Simba believe it was his fault, made him run away, and then told everyone that Simba died as well and took control. Then again, this movie was based off of Hamlet, so yeah.- The Little Mermaid. Triton getting pissed off and wrecking Ariel's stuff is a scary thing to see as a young child. As is Ursula when she's got the Trident and using its powers. It is shown rather clearly that anyone who Ursula grants a wish to but does not succeed on her terms is doomed to eternal torment, and that Ursula takes huge amounts of glee from this.
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Oh my ****, where do I even start with this one. So I'll just sum it up with this video, where Frollo is showing just how obsessed with Esmerelda he is, and basically saying that she must burn in hell. Because he lusts for her.
I...actually lacked emotion for that scene. Probably because during that time I was thinking "you see one death of a father, you've seen them all." Btw, the first scene I saw of a father dying was in Star Wars Episode Six which was epic.
Yeah, whenever I saw Little Mermaid (when I was four mind you), I always skipped the scene where Trident went nuts. I think I might've had daddy issues at the time. Being punished for something you did wrong can mess you up.
I don't ever recall hearing him say that. The only thing that affected me in that movie was seeing the Hunchback getting tied up by the villagers and fruits and vegetables (possibly rotten) being thrown at him. That scene felt sad and disturbing at the same time.
Beauty and the Beast, followed by Mulan, are my favorites.
And Deerskin is one of those books that I feel that anyone with an interest in fantasy or faerie tales should read at some point. I've gone through...three copies of it now? Because I've read it so many times. Yeah.
Nemesis, listen to what Frollo is singing during that song. Or read the lyrics, which are in the description for the video. He is literally singing "I lust for this woman, but I'm better than that, so she must be a witch that's bespelled me and hence she deserves to burn in hell because I can't actually have her".
Originally posted by MadMel
Sounds cool. I might try to find a copy.
While we're on the subject, what's everyones favorite Disney movie?
Mine's The Lion King 😄
Mulan. Awesome movie.
Argh, favorite? I can't pick just one.
Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Hunchback are all up there in different ways. The Lion King is also exceptional, but I guess not quite on the same plane for me anymore.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
I don't ever recall hearing him say that. The only thing that affected me in that movie was seeing the Hunchback getting tied up by the villagers and fruits and vegetables (possibly rotten) being thrown at him. That scene felt sad and disturbing at the same time.
All this in a Disney animated movie. It's really kind of amazing they got away with it.