Exactly, you cant. Thats why using toonforce as part of an argument is quite pointless in my opinion.
If two characters were toonforce on the other hand, then you argue who does the most ridiculous feats of toonforce. I am no expert in toons in general but lets say Bugs bunny can reality warp and do what he wants compared to someone who can seem to avoid harm whenever its impossible the argument would likely come down to what is more impressive.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Exactly, you cant. Thats why using toonforce as part of an argument is quite pointless in my opinion.If two characters were toonforce on the other hand, then you argue who does the most ridiculous feats of toonforce. I am no expert in toons in general but lets say Bugs bunny can reality warp and do what he wants compared to someone who can seem to avoid harm whenever its impossible the argument would likely come down to what is more impressive.
So you'd just dismiss anything that's "toonforce"?
Not really, but its typical for toons to use it. The point of the rule is to ignore physics/accurate math from illogical ignorance to physics , and Link does have many toonlike forms or cartoon graphics. As i said, Kain and Raziel dont do any of that, if they did something that physics or their abilities did not cover then perhaps that would be considered toonforce or illogical. not every feat has to be logical ofc in a fiction full of supernatural powers.
So Kain and Raziel are indeed susceptible to your rules. Good to know.
The point of the rule is to ignore physics and accurate math? I knew that already. But from illogical ignorance to physics. I knew that as well.
Except an art style should not have any effects on what is and what is not a toon. I will point out Okami, Megaman, and Pokemon to name several franchises with a much more colorful and, what you might consider to be, toonish art style.
And here's a problem. Doing something that their abilities do not cover. Well, they have to be shown or stated to do something in order for it to be within their abilities. Yet you've been using it as an argument against Link's strength feats for a very long time. And according to this rule, you have no basis for that.
Really, so not every feat has to be logical? Then what in the hell are we arguing about? You think his strength feats are illogical, but you've just stated feats do not have to be logical in a fictional setting with super natural powers. I believe Zelda fits this setting description.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So Kain and Raziel are indeed susceptible to your rules. Good to know.The point of the rule is to ignore physics and accurate math? I knew that already. But from illogical ignorance to physics. I knew that as well.
Except an art style should not have any effects on what is and what is not a toon. I will point out Okami, Megaman, and Pokemon to name several franchises with a much more colorful and, what you might consider to be, toonish art style.
And here's a problem. Doing something that their abilities do not cover. Well, they have to be shown or stated to do something in order for it to be within their abilities. Yet you've been using it as an argument against Link's strength feats for a very long time. And according to this rule, you have no basis for that.
Really, so not every feat has to be logical? Then what in the hell are we arguing about? You think his strength feats are illogical, but you've just stated feats do not have to be logical in a fictional setting with super natural powers. I believe Zelda fits this setting description.
But they dont do toonforce, so its useless to you unlike Link who does.
Pokemon does have a cartoon, where toonforce does happen.
Link does a lot of toonforce throught his games, what your claims boil down to is "I dont like you using toonforce for my characters!".
Math and accurate physics have to be logical, so although a feat does not have to be, to use pre-mentioned things with it it does have to be. You belive a lot of things, Links not a supernatural being.
O.o so not touching this.
But do have a question. Earlier I said Dante's hits would be stronger the faster they are based off 1/2mv2 but shot down while its legit when it comes to eg Link throwing the pillar. Why when its the same formula to get the same kind of results?
Edit: Lightning timing has been mentioned >_> yay for that coming back
Originally posted by Burning thought
But they dont do toonforce, so its useless to you unlike Link who does.Pokemon does have a cartoon, where toonforce does happen.
Link does a lot of toonforce throught his games, what your claims boil down to is "I dont like you using toonforce for my characters!".
Math and accurate physics have to be logical, so although a feat does not have to be, to use pre-mentioned things with it it does have to be. You belive a lot of things, Links not a supernatural being.
Actually, give me a couple minutes and I'll come up with something you think is toon force when it's seen in Zelda.
Which is cool for the cartoon, but not for the games.
Not really, stop ignoring points when you don't have an answer for them. You literally just gave me a "no u." And way to ignore your own rules. It has to defy physics or be something he did that is not outlined by his abilities. And that second rule is an oxymoron since to be defined in his abilities he's either done it or been stated to do it. This is a loop of logic. You create a lot of these when you make your toon force rules up on the spot.
Math is always logical, because numbers cannot lie. And the physics are also logical. But that is irrelevant since feats don't have to be logical anyway. Boy, your rules are so much fun!
Link is not a supernatural being? Maybe not, but he is a super powered being. To deny this is to ignore your own rules (which have changed about six times since I've started doing this type of thing with them), and deny what is seen throughout the many Zelda games.
You wont find it. Your probably going to nit pick at a gameplay mechanic or something.
Your trying to twist my points, rather than counter them. Its only fair I get to the heart of the matter ,thats all your trying to do. Also actually doing something once thats against all logic may come under the "illogical nonsense" rule but if hes been stated to be able to do something then this gets more complicated.
They can if the numbers are added to something thats completly against physics/logic. And feats dont have to be logical but if you want to use math then they do, otherwise even you can see you would be in error which you are.
based on what? a few against logic/physics events that are not consistent with the game or other characters? All your doing is "twisting" them, your the only trying to change them not me. Whats seen is a fair amount of toonforce, often right next to the "more impressive feats".
Originally posted by BloodRainIIRC it was because you can either math Dante as an airborne physical mass and use his weight and velocity, OR his strength, you can't really multiply them together because if you use formula A, Dante is a mass who cannot actually bring that much to bare due to his own weight/inertia. I enforce the same thing on Link when I math him, I simply use the numbers displayed for his actual strength, rather than adding in momentum or somethign from him jumping off a castle wearing the iron boots. Besides, the math is tedious.
O.o so not touching this.But do have a question. Earlier I said Dante's hits would be stronger the faster they are based off 1/2mv2 but shot down while its legit when it comes to eg Link throwing the pillar. Why when its the same formula to get the same kind of results?
Edit: Lightning timing has been mentioned >_> yay for that coming back
It's simply a matter of one or the other. Dante's better off being mathed for his strength, imho.
And yes, it is back. 😎
Originally posted by Burning thought
You wont find it. Your probably going to nit pick at a gameplay mechanic or something.Your trying to twist my points, rather than counter them. Its only fair I get to the heart of the matter ,thats all your trying to do. Also actually doing something once thats against all logic may come under the "illogical nonsense" rule but if hes been stated to be able to do something then this gets more complicated.
They can if the numbers are added to something thats completly against physics/logic. And feats dont have to be logical but if you want to use math then they do, otherwise even you can see you would be in error which you are.
based on what? a few against logic/physics events that are not consistent with the game or other characters? All your doing is "twisting" them, your the only trying to change them not me. Whats seen is a fair amount of toonforce, often right next to the "more impressive feats".
Well, yeah. That's what you do. Isn't that how it's supposed to be done?
No, that is the absolute beauty of it. I am not twisting your points. I am applying the rules you've set to the characters that you have not applied them to, Kain and Raziel. And yeah, you got me. My life has become nothing more than attempting to defeat you on an internet forum. I've dropped out of college, severed all ties with humanity, only stealing internet to keep my last purpose alive. >_>
Doing something once that is against logic. Okay, Link is still excluded. It has not defied any logic except yours which is lousy logic anyway. Doing it once, also excludes Link. His pillar feat happens twice. How many times does Kain lift anything heavy? How many times does Raziel do it? Once? He's ****ed!
Right, which has not happened. Feats have to be logical to use math? Why? Why does lifting a huge rock not making sense take away from the weight of the rock? Sounds like more of your logic.
It's clear. Hell, even being without fear is considered a super power these days. Link fits that bill easily. The rest of it includes strength and durability. Link walks around inside active volcanoes, heat that would kill a normal man. What else, he can accurately hit a thin pole with his bow from a distance where said pole is not even visible. Link has magical spells that allow him various abilities. Link can strap a bomb to his face that can blow up a rock, and survive the explosion.
Let's get a little technical about defying physics. And when I am incorrect the physics people can correct me.
The amount of force a person can produce is limited by that person's mass. So, anything human sized that displays more strength than a human can produce technically defies physics. In a way, that is what makes that person superhuman.