Originally posted by Burning thought
I never said this was true, I am simply saying its true in this singular case for Link. E.g. the whole universe is not necesserily against physics, but in this case Link is.
You can because superhuman feats are designed as part of a game. Link is not a base superhuman, never was, never stated to be. If hes showing us daft stretches of physics (superhuman does not have to break physics, infact increased strength can work with physics in a way) then hes no better than the guy balancing a skyscraper on his head in my laster example, which although exagerrated provides the same point.
I discredit feats that I dont like, true, I dont like them because their math deduced by fans (not the game or developers) and such deductions assume the physics are close enough to our world to judge such, but in this case Links actions are not.
Originally posted by Burning thought
You can because superhuman feats are designed as part of a game. Link is not a base superhuman, never was, never stated to be. If hes showing us daft stretches of physics (superhuman does not have to break physics, infact increased strength can work with physics in a way) then hes no better than the guy balancing a skyscraper on his head in my laster example, which although exagerrated provides the same point.I discredit feats that I dont like, true, I dont like them because their math deduced by fans (not the game or developers) and such deductions assume the physics are close enough to our world to judge such, but in this case Links actions are not.
Wait a minute, what determines the universe is physically Earthlike? in what form is it? if a guy who weighs the same as a human is 6 ft tall and picks up something thats akin to size and weight to a house without any environmental damage or harm to himself without dropping it how does this even work? its illogical.
Coupled with the fact the developers built the games around puzzles, and Link finding items, certainly those of protection and no beings other than himself apprently shows any irregular physical activity unlike God of War, DMC and LoK. Take God of War, the whole universe is built around Kratos' strength, every scripted event (almost) concerning him in a fight or otherwise is built around this.
Your the one who is drawring the illogical conclusion, based on consistency Link is not a superhuman, otherwise there would be no necessery reason for half of the things he does.
To some degree your correct but I am not saying all feats are, only those where toonforce has set foot. Your example is a perfect one. Something that apprently weighs at least 35-40 tonnes (according to Bloodrains math iirc) does not bounce off lava while holding his ass like bugs bunny. Thats what I label as toonforce, therefore if such physics are unnatural and disgarded by the games, who are you to claim they are in place a few seconds beforehand when the Goron is lifted by Link? completly illogical.
Simple, precedent.
It's no different than when Krillin threw a pebble at Goku while he was sleeping (and in Super Saiyan form) and it hurt him. Despite him being able to take bullets to the head as a mere child, and tank mountain busting blasts as an adult.
It's meant to be humorous, or you can just say that Gorons are magically able to jump on lava. Your pick.
I dont know anything about Goku, if its just supposed to be funny then we could claim the same for all of Links feats, some people may find it amusing for a little guy in his green jerkin or w/e it is he wears lifting something obviously too large for him, cartoons do it fine. But that does not make it physically viable.
Or I can say that Gorons are nowhere near as heavy as one would belive, or that they have a "magical" property that decreases their weight by 99.9% when about to be thrown.
We can all have guess or "picks" at what happened. Point being is, it did happen, and its against physics.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Wait a minute, what determines the universe is physically Earthlike? in what form is it? if a guy who weighs the same as a human is 6 ft tall and picks up something thats akin to size and weight to a house without any environmental damage or harm to himself without dropping it how does this even work? its illogical.Coupled with the fact the developers built the games around puzzles, and Link finding items, certainly those of protection and no beings other than himself apprently shows any irregular physical activity unlike God of War, DMC and LoK. Take God of War, the whole universe is built around Kratos' strength, every scripted event (almost) concerning him in a fight or otherwise is built around this.
Your the one who is drawring the illogical conclusion, based on consistency Link is not a superhuman, otherwise there would be no necessery reason for half of the things he does.
So is God of War toonforce? If you are pointing out similarities in the series, either GoW is toonforce as Zelda is, or Zelda is not, as GoW is. You cannot have it both ways.
The gauntlets augment his strength, thats fine and all. But how do you explain other things, such as how his mass is holding something hundreds of times his own weight, balance, the environment not being affected? exerting audiable sighs when lifting it, only to seeminly toss it easily? all illogical.
Can you explain this all?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
God of War is also an adventure hack and slash with some puzzles, BT. Zelda is an adventure game with puzzles and some combat here and there.
God of War however, DMC, all filled with reasons, plot, storyline reasons as well as scripted animations throughout the entire games that depict these characters as enhanced in one way or another.
All logic on the other hand, and most of the LoZ games do not point to link having the ability to balance 650 tonnes, or to hold it on his body. Even with an item to give him the strength to lift it, actually holding it above him would have made a difference.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The gauntlets augment his strength, thats fine and all. But how do you explain other things, such as how his mass is holding something hundreds of times his own weight, balance, the environment not being affected? exerting audiable sighs when lifting it, only to seeminly toss it easily? all illogical.Can you explain this all?
God of War however, DMC, all filled with reasons, plot, storyline reasons as well as scripted animations [b]throughout
the entire games that depict these characters as enhanced in one way or another.All logic on the other hand, and most of the LoZ games do not point to link having the ability to balance 650 tonnes, or to hold it on his body. Even with an item to give him the strength to lift it, actually holding it above him would have made a difference. [/B]
He can't drop that pillar in front of him, there is a wall in the way. And he actually can balance that pretty successfully. He's got his knees pretty bent, and is leaning backwards, with the pillar leaning on his chest. It'd work pretty well, especially with the positioning of his feet. Then he tosses it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know anything about Goku, if its just supposed to be funny then we could claim the same for all of Links feats, some people may find it amusing for a little guy in his green jerkin or w/e it is he wears lifting something obviously too large for him, cartoons do it fine. But that does not make it physically viable.Or I can say that Gorons are nowhere near as heavy as one would belive, or that they have a "magical" property that decreases their weight by 99.9% when about to be thrown.
We can all have guess or "picks" at what happened. Point being is, it did happen, and its against physics.
If the Goron in question didn't weigh as much as you say, then his weight falling on that massive several thousand ton platform upheld by chains for centuries, wouldn't have caused the chains to snap and the platform to fall into the lava.
We can distinguish what's supposed to be funny and what's not because of context, and they are portrayed to be heavy at all turns except your example.
It is pretty much impossible for them to weigh less than what has been suggested since they are visibly made of rock for at LEAST a significant portion of them. (I'd say ~25% is significant). Not to mention they are simply stated to be made of rock.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Yes, the magical effect of the Gauntlets. It's clearly a result of the equipment. If Link is exerting an upward force against the downward force of the pillar due to gravity that is equal to or greater than the downward force, it cancels out that force. It is similar to how one can move a massive object underwater, without the mass changing. The water's omnidirectional force lessens or outright negates gravity's downward force, making the object require less upward force to lift.
That explains him lifting it, but that does not explain other forces. Force does not just disapear, even something as small as a cup that you can hold you can feel some weight in your hands. Link would have to feel 650 tonnes, as would his body, the environment around him. The fact its tall to the extreme as well, and he somehow balances it despite his tiny form? impossible.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
If the Goron in question didn't weigh as much as you say, then his weight falling on that massive several thousand ton platform upheld by chains for centuries, wouldn't have caused the chains to snap and the platform to fall into the lava.We can distinguish what's supposed to be funny and what's not because of context, and they are portrayed to be heavy at all turns except your example.
It is pretty much impossible for them to weigh less than what has been suggested since they are visibly made of rock for at LEAST a significant portion of them. (I'd say ~25% is significant). Not to mention they are simply stated to be made of rock.
Or that platform that was already clearly incredibly heavy according to you was not built to have a Goron of his size jumping on it "shrug", maybe his weight was over the limit. Its all speculation but whats not is him bouncing on lava, that cannot be explained physically, therefore you attempt to explain it as something "funny", but that does not negate the physical problem there.
But its a good example, because its quite major, its the boss. Also what other examples are there of them being heavy?
The rocky outcroppings are rock but I think its been calculated that thats only a smaller portion of them. Either way, physics were bent for the sake of "funny", how do we know they were not when Link moves things? as I said before, a cartoon like bugs bunny (or some other toon, it does not matter) lifting up something ridiculously heavy is common.
Originally posted by Burning thought
That explains him lifting it, but that does not explain other forces. Force does not just disapear, even something as small as a cup that you can hold you can feel some weight in your hands. Link would have to feel 650 tonnes, as would his body, the environment around him. The fact its tall to the extreme as well, and he somehow balances it despite his tiny form? impossible.
Balance is a question of placement and position, as any plate spinner can show you. Link is in a position with knees bent that gives him a low center of gravity and prime control over his balance. It's finesse, not impossible.