Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanSaying never and always makes you awesome and fanatical. I mean dealing in absolutes is the sith way. When Anakin was arguing with Obi Wan I couldn't believe how wrong and manipulative Obi was being in that scene(and he's supposed to the good guy).
Never saying never doesn't make you open minded, it makes you retarded.
Well, sort of. The Sith still follow the Rule of Two, which they're pretty much unable to get past as well. Palpatine was trying to recruit Anakin because he needed a replacement for Dooku, and Anakin had a tendency to become attached to things that made it very easy for Palpatine to manipulate him.
They have no qualms against trying to turn people to the Dark Side (well, in the EU for that era anyway, not so much in the movies), but actually recruiting Sith...not really.
Not to mention, the Sith Lord Sidious was the most subtle individual in the prequel trilogy. For someone who supposedly deals only in absolutes, he was a surprisingly good politician, playing the field and appeasing people through compromise.
This all goes a long way toward supporting my theory that after Qui-Gon died, Obi-Wan was in a near-constant state of drunkenness for the three following movies.
Originally posted by Peach
Well, sort of. The Sith still follow the Rule of Two, which they're pretty much unable to get past as well. Palpatine was trying to recruit Anakin because he needed a replacement for Dooku, and Anakin had a tendency to become attached to things that made it very easy for Palpatine to manipulate him.They have no qualms against trying to turn people to the Dark Side (well, in the EU for that era anyway, not so much in the movies), but actually recruiting Sith...not really.
Well the Rule of Two seemed more like a guidline more than an absolute. Having more than 2 would just be hectic, what with them trying to betray each other constantly anyway. I can't say I blame Palpy for killing Dooku, who'd already tried to betray him. Least of all for Anakin, who would be a great Sith.
So I dunno. Rule of Two just seemed like something smart rather than a strict "rule."
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Not to mention, the Sith Lord Sidious was the most subtle individual in the prequel trilogy. For someone who supposedly deals only in absolutes, he was a surprisingly good politician, playing the field and appeasing people through compromise.This all goes a long way toward supporting my theory that after Qui-Gon died, Obi-Wan was in a near-constant state of drunkenness for the three following movies.
He was a smart fellow. Too bad R2 out Chessmastered him.
Would explain the glazed look in his eyes.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well the Rule of Two seemed more like a guidline more than an absolute. Having more than 2 would just be hectic, what with them trying to betray each other constantly anyway. I can't say I blame Palpy for killing Dooku, who'd already tried to betray him. Least of all for Anakin, who would be a great Sith.So I dunno. Rule of Two just seemed like something smart rather than a strict "rule."
He was a smart fellow. Too bad R2 out Chessmastered him.
Would explain the glazed look in his eyes.
Naturally, this does not prevent the student from attempting to train proteges, as Dooku was in fact quite fond of doing.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
My interpretation was more that the "Rule of Two" was just what it came down to when you were fostering an uncontrolled lust of power in your students. More than one student could team up and kill you, then attempt to destroy one another, ending your Order entirely in one fell swoop of power-hungry violence. Retaining only a single student, whom you can control easily and, if need be, kill, isn't so much a rule as common sense for the prolonging of both your own life and the existence of the Sith.Naturally, this does not prevent the student from attempting to train proteges, as Dooku was in fact quite fond of doing.
I agree.
He was wasn't he? He trained that one chick that Anakin beat what good in the cartoon. I also think he was trying to convert Obi for a minute or two when he had him caught on Geonosis. He also trained Greivous, though I don't think we could count him as a Sith.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I agree.He was wasn't he? He trained that one chick that Anakin beat what good in the cartoon. I also think he was trying to convert Obi for a minute or two when he had him caught on Geonosis. He also trained Greivous, though I don't think we could count him as a Sith.
Grievous wasn't a Force-user. Doesn't count.
And he wasn't trying to turn Obi-wan; he was trying to use Obi-wan to turn Anakin.
Actually, Dooku would have indeed preferred for Obi-Wan to have converted, rather than be killed. There's a passage in the Return of the Sith novelization where Dooku is on the Invisible hand and reflecting on Sideous' order to fight Obi-Wan and Anakin once they reached the bridge. He feels remorse for being unable to convert Obi-Wan and having to kill him, and, if I remember correctly, he asks Sideous if he can avoid having to do so.
Always thought that was interesting.
Dooku was making an offer to Obi-Wan to join him, though he insisted it was the destroy the Sith. He tried to make it sound like only he had seen what the Jedi Order could not, and he wanted Obi-Wan's help.
Asajj Ventress is a more straight example, though he made it very clear to her that she was not a Sith. Only a dark Jedi whose abilities in the Force he was expanding.
Greivous he trained in lightsaber combat and anti-Jedi tactics, but never more than that since he was not even Force-sensitive.
So yeah, he had a lot of apprentices, but there were never more than two proper Sith at once.