Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Hmm. I've read about primates waging a kind of a primitive war. At any rate, why do people think that for something to be 'natural' some species other than humans must engage in it?

I have no idea.

And yes, chimps and other smart primates do things like rape for the sake of it, and stuff.

The obvious correlation would be that the higher an animals cognitive functions the more bastardly they are.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
In a word? Wrong.

But please, explain to me how violently raping another animal, for fun, and knowing that it can't get pregnant, is somehow not "premeditated malice".

Dolphins 'know' when something can't get pregnant? And you answered your own point. They do it 'for fun'. Thats doesn't indicate premeditation.

Yes, dolphins can tell when a female dolphin is pregnant. Dolphins can also tell the difference between a dolphin and an animal that's not a dolphin.

"Hey guys, let's get into a band, find a pregnant dolphin, then take turns having sex with her, and if she resists we'll killer her!" That's not premeditated? I guess if you don't know what premeditation means.

I guess not. Clearly your just too smart for me Blax.

Again, chimpanzees have been known to go to 'war', including things like tracking, setting up ambushes, and, of course, killing chimps from the other group stone dead. Very much premeditated, I think.

There's also this note on dolphins that can be found at the bottom of this cracked article. Premeditation, ftw.

Animals are ****ing terrifying.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I guess not. Clearly your just too smart for me Blax.

Hey, no one's perfect.

you're* uhuh

The ability to work as a pack and/or fight over territory isn't indicative of higher cognative functions either.

Same with the dolphins. Acting as a group doesn't prove premeditation.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
This is going back and forth from being entertaining to annoying.

Premeditation: "Planning or plotting in advance of acting."

Seems like getting a group preparing to do something would qualify as premeditation. 😮

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Indeed, but if it brings Marie out of that lurking status, then hey. Why not let it continue?

After a while though, it gets old.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The ability to work as a pack and/or fight over territory isn't indicative of higher cognative functions either.

Same with the dolphins. Acting as a group doesn't prove premeditation.

It's the "I want to **** something, not just for the sake of reproduction, but because I'm bored, so I'm going to find a bunch of other guys, go find another animal and have sex with it, and kill it if it says no, that's pre-meditation. What dolphins do would be the equivalent of me deciding that I'm tired of jacking off and that it's time to go next door and rape my neighbor's daughter. How is that rape not "premeditated"?

Originally posted by Nephthys
The ability to work as a pack and/or fight over territory isn't indicative of higher cognative functions either.

Same with the dolphins. Acting as a group doesn't prove premeditation.

Perhaps not, but going in what most would call disciplined kill squads, tracking and ambushing for no other reason than to seemingly kill a member of a different group, and doing it many more times than one(therefore excluding it as a freak occurrence) implies premeditation in my book.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Premeditation: "Planning or plotting in advance of acting."

Seems like getting a group preparing to do something would qualify as premeditation. 😮

Theres a reason apes and dolphins are still considered animals. And animals do not plan or plot. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres a reason apes and dolphins are still considered animals. And animals do not plan or plot. 😐

😐

Humans are animals? 😮

Originally posted by Nephthys
Theres a reason apes and dolphins are still considered animals. And animals do not plan or plot. 😐

Then the uncanny part is that there is quite a nice chunk of evidence that primates can and do plot.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's the "I want to **** something, not just for the sake of reproduction, but because I'm bored, so I'm going to find a bunch of other guys, go find another animal and have sex with it, and kill it if it says no, that's pre-meditation. What dolphins do would be the equivalent of me deciding that I'm tired of jacking off and that it's time to go next door and rape my neighbor's daughter. How is that rape not "premeditated"?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Perhaps not, but going in what most would call disciplined kill squads, tracking and ambushing for no other reason than to seemingly kill a member of a different group, and doing it many more times than one(therefore excluding it as a freak occurrence) implies premeditation in my book.

By Aura's own words you need to be actually capable of thought to premeditate an action. Everything you described is simply animal instinct, not premeditated action.

If apes and dolphines were capable of such actions there would be grounds to consider them sentient races. But they aren't and they're not.

While it is nice to see Marie around again, let's not chase her off, hm?

Originally posted by Nephthys
By Aura's own words you need to be actually capable of thought to premeditate an action. Everything you described is simply animal instinct, not premeditated action.

If apes and dolphines [b]were capable of such actions there would be grounds to consider them sentient races. But they aren't and they're not. [/B]

Quick note: That is ze definition of Premeditation. Not my own words. ^^;