Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is why the ignore button is a feature on most discussion boards/sites. Blax can still say what he was saying that was offensive. EA can put him on ignore.

It is when people start to quote Blax repeatedly when they know his post contains junk she will take offense that, that they become official trolls.

You say stuff all the time that is fairly offensive to most decent human beings. Should you be required to censor yourself? NOPE! That's stupid. You'd lose your charm. 🙂 The only time you should censor yourself is when it is against the rules of the forum (forum as in the broad definition of the word, not just the "internet" version) or in a one on one conversation. Other than that, you can and should say what you want. Don't make concessions to just a single individual unless your comment is specific to just that individual.

In other words, say, "I just raaaped a gerbil" to anyone in general despite the fact that maybe I had a disturbing childhood experience with raypee gerbils. It's my problem, not yours. I am only being an *ss if I randomly interject and say, "Dat's offensive!" If you made a concession for everyone that found something offensive, you would not be able to say much. I know a single crotchety person that takes offense to people saying "hello". 😐

Except, Ignore is specifically for trolls and people you actively dislike.

Let me put it this way. If Blax was all of the sudden into the habit of saying something that I was personally uncomfortable with I would obviously ask him to stop, because otherwise, Blax is relatively fine. For him to persist, despite EA's asking for him to stop, is just plain assholish. EA shouldn't have to put someone she regularly socializes with on ignore, if he could just show some common courtesy and refrain from posting that which is bothering her.

The wierd thing about this conversation is that when she asked me not to say whatever it was to her that I said, I stopped saying it.

I made a remark that wasn't aimed at her and had nothing to do with her, and she went off on me and told me to not make such comments. The answer to that is no. If she wants me to watch what I say in my conversations with her, specifically, fine. But I'm not going to censor my discussions with other people to tailor her sense, and that goes for everyone. Let me put it this way:

If I declared right now that I find My Little Pony to be highly offensive, would you all stop bringing it up in here? Would those of you with MLP avatars and signatures change your avatars and signatures to something entirely different, all for the sake of not offending me?

If I said that I found homosexuality to be offensive, would you all not talk about things that homosexual in nature?

No, you wouldn't, and you know you wouldn't. In the case of the former, you'd tell me to get over it, in the case of the latter, you'd call me a bigot and proceed to ignore me, thinking that morality justified your callousness toward my feelings.

So, how then can you turn around and make this kind of logic? You can't. It's a double standard. It's hard for me to believe that the same crowd that has mercilessly bashed NemesisX to the point where he's visibly frustrated, and not care, can sit here and tell me that just because one person may find something I say offensive, I therefore should never bring it up in this thread ever again, period. If she told me that she found the name "Blaxican" to be offensive, I shouldn't mention that name in here anymore? That's the logic you're wielding, right now.

See Aura? This is what happens when you get dadudemon to come over to games versus. We end up trading tl;dr after tl;dr because he is the only one who isn't lazy and will make a reasonably sized response.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is why the ignore button is a feature on most discussion boards/sites. Blax can still say what he was saying that was offensive. EA can put him on ignore.

Obviously I can't speak for EA on why she doesn't want to use the ignore feature (Though I am pretty sure she doesn't), and really I wasn't even trying to make this wholly about EA and Blax (Though it appears I may have failed).

But, I personally hold nothing but disdain for the ignore feature. Personally, I don't use it at all, being too manly for it, but I feel that the only justifiable case is when used on a person where literally every post is so inconsequential and mind-numbingly stupid or offensive that, really, there is nothing constructive to be had in seeing the post. I would name names, but that might be getting more personal than I need to be.

It is when people start to quote Blax repeatedly when they know his post contains junk she will take offense that, that they become official trolls.

I am honestly not sure exactly what you are saying here.

I mean, sure that would make them much more forceful and obvious about their trolling, but saying shit when you know it has the potential to easily upset someone isn't much different from trolling.

Keep in mind I would not label Blax as a "troll", Blax certainly trolls from time to time even using his narrower than mine definition, I know that to be fact, but he doesn't troll nearly as often as his reputation suggests.

You say stuff all the time that is fairly offensive to most decent human beings. Should you be required to censor yourself? NOPE! That's stupid. You'd lose your charm. 🙂 The only time you should censor yourself is when it is against the rules of the forum (forum as in the broad definition of the word, not just the "internet" version) or in a one on one conversation. Other than that, you can and should say what you want. Don't make concessions to just a single individual unless your comment is specific to just that individual.

Keep in mind that I find the forum rules fairly irrelevant to this case. It is this simple for me. EA is my friend . She does not like to see sexist jokes. Therefore, I don't make them. It is honestly that simple to me.

Granted, you are right in that I have said some very, very offensive things, but you see I am Refuge in Audacity guy, rather than being grounded to Earth with my jokes, I go so far into outer space people can't take my jokes seriously and therefore don't get offended. 😄

But yes, on a more serious note, I am not speaking in terms of forum regulations or rules, but rather common courtesy. If I made a joke about a controversial or emotional subject, and someone expressed desire for me to stop, and they weren't Nemesis X, I would.

In other words, say, "I just raaaped a gerbil" to anyone in general despite the fact that maybe I had a disturbing childhood experience with raypee gerbils. It's my problem, not yours. I am only being an *ss if I randomly interject and say, "Dat's offensive!" If you made a concession for everyone that found something offensive, you would not be able to say much. I know a single crotchety person that takes offense to people saying "hello". 😐

Let us put this in a more real light.

I make a stillborn joke. A woman who planned to be a mother, but her baby turned out to be stillborn, sees the post. She asks me to stop. Do I say "**** YOU LADY everything is sacred or nothing is!!!", completely not giving one **** about a traumatic experience for her? Or do I, uh, stop doing it? That is a very dark example, yes, but one that serves my point well. The "all or nothing" mindset is completely ridiculous (I am mostly noting this because of what BloodRain said, not because of you).

Similarly, if someone, a friend who frequents here, doesn't like it when I make sexist jokes, I'm not going to do them, lol. Despite what Shin says, I do have a filter, I generally have a good idea of whether or not what I will say will offend someone.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The wierd thing about this conversation is that when she asked me not to say whatever it was to her that I said, I stopped saying it.

I made a remark that wasn't aimed at her and had nothing to do with her, and she went off on me and told me to not make such comments. The answer to that is no. If she wants me to watch what I say in my conversations with her, specifically, fine. But I'm not going to censor my discussions with [b]other people to tailor her sense, and that goes for everyone. Let me put it this way:

If I declared right now that I find My Little Pony to be highly offensive, would you all stop bringing it up in here? Would those of you with MLP avatars and signatures change your avatars and signatures to something entirely different, all for the sake of not offending me?

If I said that I found homosexuality to be offensive, would you all not talk about things that homosexual in nature?

No, you wouldn't, and you know you wouldn't. In the case of the former, you'd tell me to get over it, in the case of the latter, you'd call me a bigot and proceed to ignore me, thinking that morality justified your callousness toward my feelings.

So, how then can you turn around and make this kind of logic? You can't. It's a double standard. It's hard for me to believe that the same crowd that has mercilessly bashed NemesisX to the point where he's visibly frustrated, and not care, can sit here and tell me that just because one person may find something I say offensive, I therefore should never bring it up in this thread ever again, period. If she told me that she found the name "Blaxican" to be offensive, I shouldn't mention that name in here anymore? That's the logic you're wielding, right now. [/B]

I didn't realize sexist jokes are as important to you as MLP and Homosexuality can be to someone.

Importance is relative.

So, knowing now that these things are offensive to me, will you be changing your signature and avatar to something that isn't offensive?

Originally posted by NemeBro
See Aura? This is what happens when you get dadudemon to come over to games versus. We end up trading tl;dr after tl;dr because he is the only one who isn't lazy and will make a reasonably sized response.

Oi....you started it Bro. 313

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Importance is relative.

So, knowing now that these things are offensive to me, will you be changing your signature and avatar to something that isn't offensive?

Wouldn't you have to change your sig too?

Seeing a MLP character getting ripped in half isn't offensive to me.

But it might offend a fan of the series. awesome

Kay all or nothing may be a bit broad, but as Blax is saying ya cant pick and choose what things are to be held back on. Would really dampen thing if all these filters stop us from saying anything.

....what would class as a heavy topic. Shit varies.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But it might offend a fan of the series. awesome

Indeed!

However, I'm not the one who's arguing that if anything offends someone else you should immediately not bring it up anymore!

Originally posted by BloodRain
Kay all or nothing may be a bit broad, but as Blax is saying ya cant pick and choose what things are to be held back on. Would really dampen thing if all these filters stop us from saying anything.

....what would class as a heavy topic. Shit varies.

Originally posted by BloodRain
....what would class as a heavy topic. Shit varies.

Depends on the person.

No, I won't. Why? Because, Blaxy, relevance, even if subjective, is important.

Using your logic, I should be perfectly entitled to use Adolf Hitler, or a Swastika, or a dead fetus, or some other shit as an avatar, then tell off somebody who is offended by that.

This isn't about that though, this is about basic human kindness. If it's something that has no dramatic effect on you, and someone asks you to stop in a section she frequently visits, why wouldn't you? The world wouldn't stop spinning because you decided to be nice and quit making sexist jokes, so please, answer me, why exactly could you not refrain from mentioning sexist jokes in this thread?

I agree with Blax on a lot but a forum like this is no place for absolute free speech. I often post on a forum that does have that sort of thing going and it's very enjoyable.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
No, I won't. Why? Because, Blaxy, relevance, even if subjective, is important.

Using your logic, I should be perfectly entitled to use Adolf Hitler, or a Swastika, or a dead fetus, or some other shit as an avatar, then tell off somebody who is offended by that.

This isn't about that though, this is about basic human kindness. If it's something that has no dramatic effect on you, and someone asks you to stop in a section she frequently visits, why wouldn't you? The world wouldn't stop spinning because you decided to be nice and quit making sexist jokes, so please, answer me, why exactly could you not refrain from mentioning sexist jokes in this thread?

I spoke on this before, at the very start of this whole thing.

Why is it okay for everyone and their mother in this thread to make jokes at the expense of someone like NemesisX, or BurningThought, yet to do so to anyone else here is wrong?

Why is it okay for people to make fun of homophobes or Catholics, or to say that Christians aren't intelligent, yet if I make jokes about homosexuals or atheists it's suddenly wrong?

Don't forget Quanchi dear Blax.

This topic is boring.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Depends on the person.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The wierd thing about this conversation is that when she asked me not to say whatever it was to her that I said, I stopped saying it.

I made a remark that wasn't aimed at her and had nothing to do with her, and she went off on me and told me to not make such comments. The answer to that is no. If she wants me to watch what I say in my conversations with her, specifically, fine. But I'm not going to censor my discussions with other people to tailor her sense, and that goes for everyone. Let me put it this way:

To be honest, once more, this isn't really about her, this is about how I feel on the matter, my reaction to it. I can't actually speak for EA, I am not her. Though, I will state that

I know why you won't, I am just letting it be officially known that I disagree with your reasoning.

If I declared right now that I find My Little Pony to be highly offensive, would you all stop bringing it up in here? Would those of you with MLP avatars and signatures change your avatars and signatures to something entirely different, all for the sake of not offending me?

You know, ironically, your post came right after I made this one in the OBD:

"Yeah that's fair enough.

I try not to spam the pony gifs or pictures, or go all-out brony online very often, because I know how annoyed I have been when other fandoms have done the same. TTGL comes to mind. Nothing against the anime, but some fans are really annoying."

While no, I won't stop wearing my current set or talking about it in general, if people were being genuinely annoyed by it to a great extent, I would and have stopped posting about it very often. I wouldn't cease being outwardly a fan of the show, but I would certainly tone it the **** down.

If I said that I found homosexuality to be offensive, would you all not talk about things that homosexual in nature?

No, you wouldn't, and you know you wouldn't. In the case of the former, you'd tell me to get over it, in the case of the latter, you'd call me a bigot and proceed to ignore me, thinking that morality justified your callousness toward my feelings.

Double-standards only work when the context is at all the same Blax.

See here is the underlying difference, and while I hate to go ahead and use the case between you and EA again, I will.

EA doesn't like sexist jokes in the OTT because they make an uncomfortable environment for her, a female, who, well, I don't think saying that there has been and still is discrimination against women is some big revelation. Also, one's gender can be very important to a person.

People who don't like sexuality don't have any of that going on in comparison, and really it is just personal bias, which makes them looked down upon, for reason. So yes. Morality justified callousness. I do not believe that the two are at all the same, honestly, because one is offensive concerning something someone can't control, can be very personal to them, and could be something they have experienced firsthand, the other, well, is not for the most part.

So naw, I don't feel your analogy fits, honestly.

So, how then can you turn around and make this kind of logic? You can't.

**** you I can't. estahuh

Originally posted by BloodRain
So, what're you offended by/your limits? mmm

Me personally? I'm a heterosexual, white, Christian, male. Nothing really offends me except stupidity and personal annoyances.

The one thing I would pick that annoys me would be

Spoiler:
suicide jokes.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Why is it okay for everyone and their mother in this thread to make jokes at the expense of someone like NemesisX, or BurningThought, yet to do so to anyone else here is wrong?

Nemesis X is forum buttmonkey. This is fact.

As for BT: When he was banned, was it not I who actually defended him? Despite the fact that I have more grounds to dislike him than the majority of people here? I am nothing if not consistent.

Why is it okay for people to make fun of homophobes or Catholics, or to say that Christians aren't intelligent, yet if I make jokes about homosexuals or atheists it's suddenly wrong?

Homophobes I have no issue making fun of.

But I was one of the first people defending Christians and Catholics when that "HAW religious people aren't protected from insults like others are!"

Granted, I don't mind Christian jokes, nor atheist jokes. Hell, I personally don't even mind when Robtard makes fun of my sexuality.

But I am not all people.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
For the same reason I make femi-nazi jokes and left-wing extremist jokes, even though those jokes have obviously offended certain people here.

I spoke on this before, at the very start of this whole thing.

Why is it okay for everyone and their mother in this thread to make jokes at the expense of someone like NemesisX, or BurningThought, yet to do so to anyone else here is wrong?

Why is it okay for people to make fun of homophobes or Catholics, or to say that Christians aren't intelligent, yet if I make jokes about homosexuals or atheists it's suddenly wrong?

That doesn't make you right though.

I can't actually recall the last time I myself actually seriously harassed Nemesis, though you assume I don't regret being an ******* to him on occasion. BT, meanwhile, was an active troll, and often baited people into doing so.

Homophobia is socially and politically wrong, for one thing, and uh, if I were making jokes about Christians and Catholics, and someone asked me to stop, I would. :l

Jokes are all fine until someone takes serious offense. At that point, you ask yourself, gee, is it worth personally upsetting someone, just so I can keep saying this? If someone were offended by racist jokes, would it be perfectly fine to keep posting them? No, know why? It's not because it's politically incorrect to, it's because it's human decency to comply with someone's personal request.