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Originally posted by Cyner
Nephthys confirmed for having never played Wind Waker where Zelda(Tetra) is much more worldly than Link and saves him several times. It's also the first time that Zelda participates in the final boss battle.

I've watched Chuggaconroys Lets Play, which is factually the same thing. B*tch. estahuh

Also when she turns back into Zelda she basically goes back to being a damsel, being locked in Hyrule or whatever while Link goes off and saves everyone (and then gets captured :I ). Also she comes all demure and boring. Tetra wasn't even a real person so suck it.*

*Despite being awesome. More awesome than Zelda at least.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Neph

Basically this.

Also, this.

Change for the sake of change is pointless, and even detrimental. Gender swapping Link, while random and arbitrary would be fine. Turning Link, the designated hero who has had cosmic forces single him out to be heroic, reduced to snotty nobility actually breaks canon.

Paragraph one of the linked website:

"Well, technically not actually gender-swapped since both Link and eternal damsel Zelda are still Link and Zelda. But Diaz has come up with a pitch where Zelda is "an aspiring battle mage" while Link is a sheltered prince unaware of the turmoil in his kingdom in "The Legend of Zelda: Clockwork Empire.""

So it's not "just" Zelda as the protaganist, it's turning Link into a damsel because 'take that, gender roles! Women can be heroic too.'. Which kind of ignores that Zelda has been one of the most capable characters in almost every game she's been in.

Even in the original 1986 Zelda, she was the one who split up her piece of the triforce so Ganon couldn't take it. The only games I can think of where she's truly unhelpful are Zelda II, where she's asleep, and aLttP where she chills in a church all game.

Every other game she's in she's actually a pretty strong character, and she can do that without being the protagonist who rescues royalty.

Wow, so defensive. You seem to be unduly pissed at turning Link into a naive prince, when you don't know anything about how they'd play that out. It seems to me that he'd have an active role in the game given that he's disguising himself and sneaking out of the castle. Sheik hoimage? You are reading something that's not there with the snotty nobility point, the notes call him 'Noble' so I doubt he'd be some simpering pansy. The article even says 'Diaz (wisely) didn't necessarily make Link the victim.' Either way, you seem a bit more more offended than seems necessary.

Yeah, I know Zelda isn't a complete waste, but it would be cool to see her get to act like a badass and be the main character for a change. She's still always playing second fiddle to Link and outside of her stint as Tetra she is being saved by him a lot. You may not think it, but the whole Male = Main Character, Female = Secondary Supporting Character is kind of a bad aspect of fiction that way too prevailant. Zelda isn't exactly crap for women but with such a huge franchise it becomes more noticeable. I think it would be cool to see her bust out all that Triforce of Wisdom and go Hero for once.

shut up neph

STFU and give me my honorable vag you cuckold.

O-okay ._.

Then go pick up my ****ing dry cleaning.

WAIT WHAT?????

You may not think it, but the whole Male = Main Character, Female = Secondary Supporting Character is kind of a bad aspect of fiction that way too prevailant.

My issue was never the gender of the protagonist, my issue with his 'idea' is that it changes the rules of the Zelda canon by pulling the cosmically appointed hero out of their role.

Whether the protagonist is male or female isn't important. It's a change I have no feelings on, other than that it would be change for the sake of it.

@Neph

That's an asspull on her part. The sign on the snake's cage said "bred in captivity".

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Since tp link is neither a prince, a fish, or black, I'm gonna say malon.

I'm pretty sure there are no blacks in OoT...

He is talking about Nabooru.

And Zelda being the protagonist of a game would be fine. Link being rendered into a damsel who doesn't save the day would not.

Keep in mind that the series has precedence of Link not being around to save the day, ala WW's backstory.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Except that this has nothing to do with anything I said. Or with Zelda games. It's not an enforced trope or political statement.

My issue was never the gender of the protagonist, my issue with his 'idea' is that it changes the rules of the Zelda canon by pulling the cosmically appointed hero out of their role.

Whether the protagonist is male or female isn't important. It's a change I have no feelings on, other than that it would be change for the sake of it.

Ah. Well the idea that only Link can be the hero is still incredibly lame. 😬

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
@Neph

That's an asspull on her part. The sign on the snake's cage said "bred in captivity".

Voldemort only met Nagini after Philosophers Stone though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ah. Well the idea that only Link can be the hero is still incredibly lame. 😬

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Originally posted by Phanteros
It's how the game set its self up lore wise. Link can be girl/boy but in the grade scheme of things he/she has to be the hero because of the "chosen one trope". The only game that broke that rule was the Wand of Gamelon or whatever that piece of shit calls itself.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Non canon result of licensing debacle!

I would like a game centered on Gannon however in the same same vein as Lords of Shadow from his prospective.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've watched Chuggaconroys Lets Play, which is factually the same thing. B*tch. estahuh

Also when she turns back into Zelda she basically goes back to being a damsel, being locked in Hyrule or whatever while Link goes off and saves everyone (and then gets captured :I ). Also she comes all demure and boring. Tetra wasn't even a real person so suck it.*

*Despite being awesome. More awesome than Zelda at least

Sorry bruh, but you're wrong on that one. After the battle with Ganondorf, Zelda is like "forget this princess stuff" and goes right back to being a pirate, ditching the princess gear and everything. The beginning of Phantom Hourglass(a direct sequel to WW) confirms this, and at the end of that game, she's still a pirate.

A Zelda game based around Ganon would indeed be awesome and interesting. mmm Doubt it'll happen though.

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