To Love God is to Hate who ?

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Yes there is, God created him, he can uncreate him, easily.

yes it does. In your thread I meant to point out when you said that the Bible is just hyperbole that that would be impossible. If you were to take into account the nature of God and of Satan as Christians put it it would be that God never lies, so anything he put into the Bible would have to be ultimately true.

Obviously...

How so? According to the religions Satan rules Earth, currently. Look at the state that the Earth is in right now. I don't understand how this is possibly nicer then what God had intended, as opposed to what Satan intended.

So... does the Satanist book basically retcon EVERYTHING that happened in the Bible, because if it doesn't then it's obvious who is right and who is not.

He's a troll. That's what Trolls do.

my mum and dad created me, they cannot uncreate me...
that is a foolish suggestion, because something can create something in no way can it be proved that God could uncreate him, also the idea of God being all powerful is a Christian one

and yes if you take it the way Christians put it, the way Satanists put it is diffrent,two diffrent religiosn say diffrent things

your wrong about Satan ruling Earth in religions, in Christianity they may think he does, but in Satanists, Satan doesnt rule earth, he rules hell and thats it, he merely wants to help humans who in Satanist worship are his creations, not Gods, in Satanist religion, God is merely an outsider to the world who is trying to get people to bow to him and offer him their minds

the Al Jilwah (satans book) states many interesting beliefs, many beliefs state Chrstianity as a lie and have some pretty good arguments, also Satanists belive they directly communicate to Satan and other demons through telepathy and meditation who actually strengthan and protect them in return wheras it seems in Christianity your praying to a being just because it supposedly created you, it doesnt seem to do anything else especially proof of its excistence, at least Satan speaks to you

So, the basic summary is this. Satan in the Satanic religion is what God is in Christianity?

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
So, the basic summary is this. Satan in the Satanic religion is what God is in Christianity?

slightly correct, in power, only in Satanic religion, he doesnt really want worship, hes interested in knowledge and evolution of the human race rather than taking from us, he wants to give knowledge

but his power seems similiar and such

Okay, I got you.

So, this whole debate is really pointless. I believe in one thing, you believe in one thing, and other people believe in different things.

ofcourse its pointless, although remember i dont belive in anything to do with a God or religion as such, i belive there is some kind of spiritual, but wether it excsists or its to do with the human mind i dont know

ime just standing up for Satanist religion

Okay, then.

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Starcraft would still beat Warcraft though ermm

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Okay, then.

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Starcraft would still beat Warcraft though ermm

hehe, starcraft 2 will defo beat warcraft, at least up to WoW, however the amount of fans it has is incredible so idont think it would faulter

Originally posted by darkfan76
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Explain that, I mean, you can back it up, Can't you?.

Since Christians worship God, and are commanded to reject Satans and his lies, temptations, etc.. How is now that you state that "Satanism is a form a Christianity"?

Zeus and Hades

figures of the same religious tradition or of completely different religions?

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Originally posted by inimalist
Zeus and Hades

figures of the same religious tradition or of completely different religions?

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Ja,Ja. Satan is a figure of Christianism. That doesn't make worshipping Satan a form of Christianism.

Chiristian: Believer, follower of Christ as God, along with the Father and the Holly Spirit..
Do you believe and follow Christ? No, then you are not a Christian,

Originally posted by darkfan76
Ja,Ja. Satan is a figure of Christianism. That doesn't make worshipping Satan a form of Christianism.

Chiristian: Believer, follower of Christ as God, along with the Father and the Holly Spirit..
Do you believe and follow Christ? No, then you are not a Christian,

Originally posted by Bardock42
Then Mormons are Christians though.

Not really. You see. They don't believe in Jesus as God. The same with the Witnesses.

well, if you describe "sect" as "religion" then you might be correct

however, once you stop being ethnocentric (ie, stop falling into the illusion of in-group variance [which is the tendency to think that there is a wide array of thoughts and beliefs within the group you belong to and not to see those nuances in other, which is out-group generalization]) *[HURRAY for making up psychobabble, the concepts are real but I may have just invented useless terms for it] it becomes apparent that the same mythologies over time create new belief systems. However, given how we classify ancient religions, these dissimilar systems are still the same mythology, with variance in interpretation. To see modern religion as any different is to place too much signifigance on what you as an individual believe.

Once the Abrahamic God is replaced by oth religions, I'm sure people will have a tendency to see Judaism, Christianity and Islam as 3 offshoots of a shared mythology.

So, lets hear it for ethnocentrism!

Originally posted by Burning thought
Satanists simply belive its Satan who is the right side, he isnt a horned demon in Satanism, hes a golden Angel as are all the demons in the religion and he simply wants us to know knowledge that God is apprently keeping from us, apparently God is losing all his power in Satanism

You don't seem to understand Satanism truly, even tough you are one.

LaVey (founder of Church of Satan) used Satan as a metaphor for the way he thought, which was very open-minded and fair way of thinking. They do not acknowledge the existance of God or Satan.

Originally posted by inimalist
well, if you describe "sect" as "religion" then you might be correct

however, once you stop being ethnocentric (ie, stop falling into the illusion of in-group variance [which is the tendency to think that there is a wide array of thoughts and beliefs within the group you belong to and not to see those nuances in other, which is out-group generalization]) *[HURRAY for making up psychobabble, the concepts are real but I may have just invented useless terms for it] it becomes apparent that the same mythologies over time create new belief systems. However, given how we classify ancient religions, these dissimilar systems are still the same mythology, with variance in interpretation. To see modern religion as any different is to place too much signifigance on what you as an individual believe.

Once the Abrahamic God is replaced by oth religions, I'm sure people will have a tendency to see Judaism, Christianity and Islam as 3 offshoots of a shared mythology.

So, lets hear it for ethnocentrism!

OK. that's your opinion about me, and I respect that.

As you see you you have mentioned that "it becomes apparent that the same mythologies over time create new belief systems"

It could be apparent for ancient mithologies, and for every religion to your eyes. You describe it as a natural cultural process through time, and this can be certainly valid in the study of ancient cultures.

Christianism in this case is very different. Besides the historical non christians documents that prove that Christ existed and how Christianism started, you have an interrupted documented history of 2,000 years. 1500 years in which there were no new beliefs. We know exactly when every new Christian belief and interpretation started, and who started it. It was not a natural cultural progression through time in which Christianism "evolved" by itself.
There is of course a progression in the understanding and of the revealed true through time, and in the organization, structure, ways of communication, etc. but the testimony of Christian beliefs through time is easily traceable through 20 centuries, for Catholic and Orthodox churches whose beliefs have remain the same.

What we know as sects, Christian denominations or groups are easily traceable in history, not as "a result of natural evolution of christian mithology", but as and identified separation act from a mother-group.

Eg.

Lutherans 1521 Luther

Presbiterians 1560 John Knox

Calvinists 1533 Calvin

Anglicans 1534 Henry VIII

Methodists 1791 John Wesley

Salvation Army 1878 William Booth

Christian Science 1879 Mary Baker

Unified Church 1954 Sun Myung Moon

Jehová Witnesses 1876 Charles Russell

Mormons 1830 Joseph Smith

Baptists 1611 John Smith

Gods' assembliees 1915 Varios

Adventists 1863 Hellen G. White

Luz del Mundo 1926 Joaquín Aaron

Pentecostals 1901 Charles Fox Parham

All the above sepearations didn't occur as a natural evolving process, in which christians change progressively from one belief to another.

For all the new groups and their beliefs, you can identify what the change in beliefs was, who started it, when, how, etc.

Darkfan, does loving God also require a hatred for Satan and his kind ? JIA seems to claim so.

But JIA is a zealot, so y'know.

Originally posted by darkfan76
what he said

so what you are saying is that the worship of Zeus was a religion different from the worship of Dionysis(sp)?

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
But JIA is a zealot, so y'know.

true

Originally posted by inimalist
so what you are saying is that the worship of Zeus was a religion different from the worship of Dionysis(sp)?

Not at all, different cases Politheism: Same religion, many gods to worship

Monotheism: Only one God to worship. In Christianity that one God, is Christ, the Father and the Holly Spirit, if you worship something else, you are not Christian. Simple 🙄

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Darkfan, does loving God also require a hatred for Satan and his kind ? JIA seems to claim so.

Not hating him. But rejecting ans staying away his lies and temptations that lead us to sin (only tempting us, we have full responsability for our sins). God is uncapable of hating and won't ask us to hate. It is Satan who decided irrevocably to hate God.