Classic Juggernaut vs World War Hulk

Originally posted by janus77
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LT's little toe versus Juggernaut in a shoving match... place your bets! 😄

LT little toes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WWH

get the picture. Oh almost forgot something, toes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwh

now Im through. Thats how far LT little toe are above hulk.

no, it's even more.

but my point is. "unstoppable" = false. "invulnerable" = false.
War Hulk >>>>>> Juggernaut
WWH arc Hulk > War Hulk ... can you do math? 😕

Originally posted by janus77
no, it's even more.

but my point is. "unstoppable" = false. "invulnerable" = false.
War Hulk >>>>>> Juggernaut
WWH arc Hulk > War Hulk ... can you do math? 😕

Sure, I can do the math.

The Hulk didn't stop the Juggernaut. The Hulk didn't even PHASE the Juggernaut. The Hulk outsmarted the Juggernaut.

Knock down drag out fight with the classic Juggernaut, the VERY-VERY best any version of the Hulk can hope for is a stalemate.

Originally posted by Soljer
Sure, I can do the math.

The Hulk didn't stop the Juggernaut. The Hulk didn't even PHASE the Juggernaut. The Hulk outsmarted the Juggernaut.

Knock down drag out fight with the classic Juggernaut, the VERY-VERY best any version of the Hulk can hope for is a stalemate.

WWH arc Hulk is the strongest the Hulk's ever been, so far.
War Hulk tossed the juggernaut about like a rag doll.
physically STOPPED and then tossed him.

this Hulk's not even given juggernaut the slightest bit of concern, he's not bothered to fight him, merely dismissed him with a slap on the back after preventing juggernaut from barging him over - juggernaut came at him, he "redirected" juggernaut's force so that it ended up nearly destroying the foundations of the mansion.

and most important of all, this Hulk doesn't waste time on petty fights - he's focussed - and so, that wasn't even a fair display of what he's capable of.

Originally posted by janus77
I'd feel more confident of that, if you could do the english as well.
read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

WWH arc Hulk is the strongest the Hulk's ever been, so far.
War Hulk tossed the juggernaut about like a rag doll.
physically STOPPED and then tossed him.

this Hulk's not even given juggernaut the slightest bit of concern, he's not bothered to fight him, merely dismissed him with a slap on the back after preventing juggernaut from barging him over - juggernaut came at him, he "redirected" juggernaut's force so that it ended up nearly destroying the foundations of the mansion.

and most important of all, this Hulk doesn't waste time on petty fights - he's focussed - and so, that wasn't even a fair display of what he's capable of.

Obviously War Hulk was more powerful than World War Hulk.

War Hulk stopped the Juggernaut. World War Hulk has done no such thing. He couldn't even phase cain. He himself admitted he couldn't stop the Juggernaut, and he KNEW he wouldn't be able to knock the Juggernaut out - nor kill him. Hence redirecting his momentum out of the fight.

It was his only choice and he knew it.

Originally posted by janus77
I'd feel more confident of that, if you could do the english as well.
read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

WWH arc Hulk is the strongest the Hulk's ever been, so far.
War Hulk tossed the juggernaut about like a rag doll.
physically STOPPED and then tossed him.

this Hulk's not even given juggernaut the slightest bit of concern, he's not bothered to fight him, merely dismissed him with a slap on the back after preventing juggernaut from barging him over - juggernaut came at him, he "redirected" juggernaut's force so that it ended up nearly destroying the foundations of the mansion.

and most important of all, this Hulk doesn't waste time on petty fights - he's focussed - and so, that wasn't even a fair display of what he's capable of.

Originally posted by Estacado
Even the writers said War Hulk was amped.

Celestially. And he still never actually beat the Juggernaut...😬.

Regardless of Hulk's "infinite well of power" 🙄 , Apoc's hyperbole, or the arguement that Hulk only tripped Juggernaut and didn't actually stop him, the fact remains that it was thanks to Apocalypse's celestial tech and that Hulk could not accomplish the feat under his own power.

Claiming that ANY version of Hulk can beat Juggernaut at full power w/o BFR:

Originally posted by janus77
no, it's even more.

but my point is. "unstoppable" = false. "invulnerable" = false.
War Hulk >>>>>> Juggernaut
WWH arc Hulk > War Hulk ... can you do math? 😕

janus you just dont get it do you. Let me capatalize it for you, THERE IS NO WAY HULK COULD BEAT JUGGERNAUT. He just dont have the power. Im going to make it plain and clear for ya. Juggernaut could lay down and let hulk pound on him all year and he still wont get a scractch, can the same be said for the hulk, who has bleed against thing, wolverine, wendigo, etc... Answer this for me, if thing, thor, wolverine, Spiderman; if you went to each of them one by one and asked them "who would you want to fight, juggernaut or the hulk, who do you think that they would choose, from my knowledge and how juggernaut has already curbstomped all of them without a problem, Im think they would rather fight hulk since each of them has soloed and defeated or almost defeated him.

Originally posted by carver9
janus you just dont get it do you. Let me capatalize it for you, THERE IS NO WAY HULK COULD BEAT JUGGERNAUT. He just dont have the power. Im going to make it plain and clear for ya. Juggernaut could lay down and let hulk pound on him all year and he still wont get a scractch, can the same be said for the hulk, who has bleed against thing, wolverine, wendigo, etc... Answer this for me, if thing, thor, wolverine, Spider-man; if you went to each of them one by one and asked them "who would you want to fight, juggernaut or the hulk, who do you think that they would choose, from my knowledge and how juggernaut has already curbstomped all of them without a problem, Im think they would rather fight hulk since each of them has soloed and defeated or almost defeated him.

Actually, Spider-man has beaten the Juggernaut, Thor beat him as well, do you remember the time that Thor removed the enchantment that makes Cain invulnerable? Thor actually overpowered him, so that takes care of Juggernauts unlimited strength myth. Hulk is stronger than Cain, no matter what people think here on KMC, the Hulk in his current state is stronger than he was when he underwent the operation that turned him into War, Way stopped Juggernaut period, to say that he didn't just means that you are in denial. It gets better though, Hulk just did it again, so what do you think the writers are trying to say? I'll sum it up for you The Hulk can eventually overpower Cyttorak's Avatar, and to add to this, he can become even stronger than that, many many times stronger... Someone stated earlier that Juggernaut could lay down all day and take hit after brutal hit from the Hulk.... I really doubt this. In the past the when the Hulk was banished to the Cross Roads by strange, he ran into a Puffball being that led him to an indestructible door claiming that he was locked out of his world and could not break the enchantment in order to return... the Hulk proceed to hit the mystical lock, that could have been as powerful as the enchantment that gives Juggernaut a degree of Invulnerability (because we all know that there is no such thing as being fully invulnerable) he failed in his first few attempts, but once he became enraged at his failure, he then did what could have been called the impossible, he broke through the the doorway that was actually a dimension gate... my point is to say that if he really continued to hit Cain, he would feel it after a while. There is no doubt in my mind, call me a fan-boy if you like, I'm not, I just wanted to let you all know what I have read of the Hulks feats in the past, and I truly believe without a doubt that he could and would eventually overpower the Juggernauts enchantments. As for Wolverine slicing and dicing the Hulk up, this is on half true, Logan himself said that he was having a tougher time cutting Hulk, the Hulks statement of whether he could kill Wolverine was also not true, because logan is not immortal, I challenge anyone with a logical mind to overthrow my next statement..... When Hulk bashed Logan into submission what would have stopped him from killing him, once he blacked out? I'll tell you. The Hulk could have killed him but he is not a murderer. Does anyone believe that Wolverine could survive taking hits from the Hulk if he was unconscious? I don't. The Thin could most likely hit hulk all day long and not render him unconscious, he only gave him a bloody nose, which healed seconds later... bringing the thing into this fight is redundant because we all know that if Banner made Grimm his pet project it would be over before it began.

Hulk will beat Classic Juggernaut, because Cain is back in his original form. He was also stopped in his latest showing by the Hulk this is indisputable, it right there clear as day.

Actually, Spider-man has beaten the Juggernaut, Thor beat him as well, do you remember the time that Thor removed the enchantment that makes Cain invulnerable? Thor actually overpowered him, so that takes care of Juggernauts unlimited strength myth. Hulk is stronger than Cain, no matter what people think here on KMC, the Hulk in his current state is stronger than he was when he underwent the operation that turned him into War, Way stopped Juggernaut period, to say that he didn't just means that you are in denial. It gets better though, Hulk just did it again, so what do you think the writers are trying to say? I'll sum it up for you The Hulk can eventually overpower Cyttorak's Avatar, and to add to this, he can become even stronger than that, many many times stronger... Someone stated earlier that Juggernaut could lay down all day and take hit after brutal hit from the Hulk.... I really doubt this. In the past the when the Hulk was banished to the Cross Roads by strange, he ran into a Puffball being that led him to an indestructible door claiming that he was locked out of his world and could not break the enchantment in order to return... the Hulk proceed to hit the mystical lock, that could have been as powerful as the enchantment that gives Juggernaut a degree of Invulnerability (because we all know that there is no such thing as being fully invulnerable) he failed in his first few attempts, but once he became enraged at his failure, he then did what could have been called the impossible, he broke through the the doorway that was actually a dimension gate... my point is to say that if he really continued to hit Cain, he would feel it after a while. There is no doubt in my mind, call me a fan-boy if you like, I'm not, I just wanted to let you all know what I have read of the Hulks feats in the past, and I truly believe without a doubt that he could and would eventually overpower the Juggernauts enchantments. As for Wolverine slicing and dicing the Hulk up, this is on half true, Logan himself said that he was having a tougher time cutting Hulk, the Hulks statement of whether he could kill Wolverine was also not true, because logan is not immortal, I challenge anyone with a logical mind to overthrow my next statement..... When Hulk bashed Logan into submission what would have stopped him from killing him, once he blacked out? I'll tell you. The Hulk could have killed him but he is not a murderer. Does anyone believe that Wolverine could survive taking hits from the Hulk if he was unconscious? I don't. The Thin could most likely hit hulk all day long and not render him unconscious, he only gave him a bloody nose, which healed seconds later... bringing the thing into this fight is redundant because we all know that if Banner made Grimm his pet project it would be over before it began.

Hulk will beat Classic Juggernaut, because Cain is back in his original form. He was also stopped in his latest showing by the Hulk this is indisputable, it right there clear as day.

Actually you arent bright.Spiderman beat juggernaut when?When did Thor beat Juggernaut?He brought down his force field and was able to land punches for a minute.The shield came back up and Thor was beat like a child again.
Hulk is stronger than the Juggernaut?Then why did Hulk said Juggernaut was stronger than him in the past?As i said no fan boy is more annoying than Hulk fan boys.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Actually, Spider-man has beaten the Juggernaut, Thor beat him as well, do you remember the time that Thor removed the enchantment that makes Cain invulnerable? Thor actually overpowered him, so that takes care of Juggernauts unlimited strength myth. Hulk is stronger than Cain, no matter what people think here on KMC, the Hulk in his current state is stronger than he was when he underwent the operation that turned him into War, Way stopped Juggernaut period, to say that he didn't just means that you are in denial. It gets better though, Hulk just did it again, so what do you think the writers are trying to say? I'll sum it up for you The Hulk can eventually overpower Cyttorak's Avatar, and to add to this, he can become even stronger than that, many many times stronger... Someone stated earlier that Juggernaut could lay down all day and take hit after brutal hit from the Hulk.... I really doubt this. In the past the when the Hulk was banished to the Cross Roads by strange, he ran into a Puffball being that led him to an indestructible door claiming that he was locked out of his world and could not break the enchantment in order to return... the Hulk proceed to hit the mystical lock, that could have been as powerful as the enchantment that gives Juggernaut a degree of Invulnerability (because we all know that there is no such thing as being fully invulnerable) he failed in his first few attempts, but once he became enraged at his failure, he then did what could have been called the impossible, he broke through the the doorway that was actually a dimension gate... my point is to say that if he really continued to hit Cain, he would feel it after a while. There is no doubt in my mind, call me a fan-boy if you like, I'm not, I just wanted to let you all know what I have read of the Hulks feats in the past, and I truly believe without a doubt that he could and would eventually overpower the Juggernauts enchantments. As for Wolverine slicing and dicing the Hulk up, this is on half true, Logan himself said that he was having a tougher time cutting Hulk, the Hulks statement of whether he could kill Wolverine was also not true, because logan is not immortal, I challenge anyone with a logical mind to overthrow my next statement..... When Hulk bashed Logan into submission what would have stopped him from killing him, once he blacked out? I'll tell you. The Hulk could have killed him but he is not a murderer. Does anyone believe that Wolverine could survive taking hits from the Hulk if he was unconscious? I don't. The Thin could most likely hit hulk all day long and not render him unconscious, he only gave him a bloody nose, which healed seconds later... bringing the thing into this fight is redundant because we all know that if Banner made Grimm his pet project it would be over before it began.

Hulk will beat Classic Juggernaut, because Cain is back in his original form. He was also stopped in his latest showing by the Hulk this is indisputable, it right there clear as day.

In your post your right on some of them but let me clarify what I meant. Spiderman did beat juggernaut, WITH A PLOT DEVICE, can anybody say cement. The sad thing is spiderman actually koed hulk under his own power and strength. Spiderman admitted that he didnt stand a chance against juggernaut. See the difference.

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Thor did give juggernaut a hell of a fight, AGAIN, WITH A PLOT DEVICE, he had to strip juggernaut of his power to even pose a threat. Thor didnt stand a chance against Juggernaut and admitted that on numerous of occasions but thor has physically beaten hulk without any kind of plot devices.

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Juggernaut has unlimited strength, how many times has this been said in comic, in his bios and every where else. Cytorrak blessed him with that gift.

Wolverine has beaten the hulk and as death he could have killed the hulk if he didnt stop. It was there plain and clear. It was said by the narrator. Wolverine dont stand a chance against juggernaut, Wolverine with the entire xmen team backing him still didnt stand a chance.

In just a physical confrontation against the juggernaut, hulk would lose 10/10 everytime, since he has no way of beating juggernaut and this is a juggernaut that isnt even using all of his powers (forcefield).

You want to know the sad thing. Even doc ock has owned the hulk and you really think that hulk is beating the juggernaut.

Juggernaut 10/10

By the way, again juggernaut could just lay there an let hulk beat on him all day with a smile on his face. Juggernaut is true invulnerability.

Was Thor overpowering him or not?
you needn't hurl insults at me to make
a point buddy, come correct or not
at all. Spiderman beat him as well
or did you not read the comic that he
bfr'd him? Here at KMC that would
constitute a win. Read up before you
cast judgement. Spiderman put him in
cement as deep as a skyscraper is tall
no it did not stop him, but he did lose.
because he could not get back to the field
of battle before Spidey was long gone.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, again juggernaut could just lay there an let hulk beat on him all day with a smile on his face. Juggernaut is true invulnerability.

There is no such thing as
true invulnerabilty... there
are forces in the comic book
realm that could cut even
Cyttorak in two... Juggernaut
is his Avatar, you do the math.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Was Thor overpowering him or not?
you needn't hurl insults at me to make
a point buddy, come correct or not
at all. Spiderman beat him as well
or did you not read the comic that he
bfr'd him? Here at KMC that would
constitute a win. Read up before you
cast judgement. Spiderman put him in
cement as deep as a skyscraper is tall
no it did not stop him, but he did lose.
because he could not get back to the field
of battle before Spidey was long gone.

Im sorry if you think that Im trying to insult or come off
wrong at you because Im not. If I insulted you I
apologize. Back to fight.
I want you to compare the difference between the battles ok.
Spiderman physically koed the hulk with his 15 ton strength.
He knocked hulk the hell out. Spiderman couldnt even get
acknowledgement by the juggernaut, he had to ram a gas truck
into the juggernaut to even get any kind of acknowledgement
from him. He outsmarted the juggernaut but he didnt
physically beat the juggernaut like he 3 punched the hulk. Spiderman
admitted in that entire comic against the juggernaut
that he didnt stand a chance.

I dont think that thor over powered juggernaut.
He also needed a plot device because thor (just like
Spiderman) admitted that he wasnt a challenge against
juggernaut. He said that he had no way of defeating him.
Then thor was about to get killed by the juggernaut
but back up came (that didnt do anything) to save thor.
Thor then decided to use another plot device the god
force which did nothing to the juggernaut. The outcome
was a backlash which resulted in the ground caving in
juggernaut getting steel trapped over him. Thor saying
that juggernaut would break free of the steel prison
and also saying that once he broke free that nothing would
be able to stop him teleported juggernaut away from
civilians because thor knew he didnt stand a chance against
juggernaut. Thor thought about it and went seeking
juggernaut knowing that he was somewhere causing
problems. He found the juggernaut and was getting
overwhelmed again. This time thor had a trick and
stripped juggernaut of his powers for a couple of
seconds.

It seems like every fight that juggernaut gets in, someone
has to use a plot device and if hulk ever plans on beating
juggernaut, he is going to need one also. Again, juggernaut
is truly invulnerable. He is true invulnerability. Hulk aint hurting
no juggernaut. Every win over juggernaut or every major
challenge that juggernaut has had has alway resulted
in a plot device. Same cant be said for hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Im sorry if you think that Im trying to insult or come off
wrong at you because Im not. If I insulted you I
apologize. Back to fight.
I want you to compare the difference between the battles ok.
Spiderman physically koed the hulk with his 15 ton strength.
He knocked hulk the hell out. Spiderman couldnt even get
acknowledgement by the juggernaut, he had to ram a gas truck
into the juggernaut to even get any kind of acknowledgement
from him. He outsmarted the juggernaut but he didnt
physically beat the juggernaut like he 3 punched the hulk. Spiderman
admitted in that entire comic against the juggernaut
that he didnt stand a chance.

I dont think that thor over powered juggernaut.
He also needed a plot device because thor (just like
Spiderman) admitted that he wasnt a challenge against
juggernaut. He said that he had no way of defeating him.
Then thor was about to get killed by the juggernaut
but back up came (that didnt do anything) to save thor.
Thor then decided to use another plot device the god
force which did nothing to the juggernaut. The outcome
was a backlash which resulted in the ground caving in
juggernaut getting steel trapped over him. Thor saying
that juggernaut would break free of the steel prison
and also saying that once he broke free that nothing would
be able to stop him teleported juggernaut away from
civilians because thor knew he didnt stand a chance against
juggernaut. Thor thought about it and went seeking
juggernaut knowing that he was somewhere causing
problems. He found the juggernaut and was getting
overwhelmed again. This time thor had a trick and
stripped juggernaut of his powers for a couple of
seconds.

It seems like every fight that juggernaut gets in, someone
has to use a plot device and if hulk ever plans on beating
juggernaut, he is going to need one also. Again, juggernaut
is truly invulnerable. He is true invulnerability. Hulk aint hurting
no juggernaut. Every win over juggernaut or every major
challenge that juggernaut has had has alway resulted
in a plot device. Same cant be said for hulk.

There are many truths to your argument, but the fact remains
the Hulk stopped his advance in the lastest X-men comic. The
Juggernaut is not truly invulnerble, because if he were that would
mean that not even the Celestial host could not hurt him, I'm right
in saying this.... Juggernaut can be hurt by sufficient force, the Hulk
has winded him, even knocked him out (recently in X-men) "I'm the Ju.... does this ring a bell? I will not argue in Thor's defense because truth be told he is often outmatched and over powered by top tiers
in the strength dept. Spidey knocking the Hulk out in the good old
days was just plain ridiculous, today he wouldn't even faze him.
You spoke of every major challenge as if Cain was undefeated....
one name Onslaught.... yep! the same guy that Hulk physically over came but left Cain in ruins. How about the pre retconned version of
the Beyonder could Cain hold him? I really doubt it, can you guess who did? I believe without a doubt that the Hulk could and would be able to cause the Juggernaut pain, if he was riled up enough. He has no limits
At worst they would have a stalemate because neither one appears to
be able to successfully stop the other for long. I of course am talking
about a Hulk at his more escalated states, not a calm one.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Hulk stopped his advance in the lastest X-men comic. The
Juggernaut is not truly invulnerble, because if he were that would
mean that not even the Celestial host could not hurt him, I'm right
in saying this.... Juggernaut can be hurt by sufficient force, the Hulk
has winded him, even knocked him out (recently in X-men) "I'm the Ju.... does this ring a bell?

All of this you are wrong on.

Hulk didn't stop Juggernaut, even the writer said so. The writer said Juggernaut didn't want to push him but rather fight him. So he didn't stop Juggernaut.

When Hulk knocked out Juggs in the WWH X-men #2 he was still depowered. He gained his power back in #3. So that part doesn't belong in this thread sense it is "Classic" Jnut.

Please read the comics before making assumptions.

As for being winded, it is really cause and effect. Hulk punched Juggs in the stomach, and sense the lungs are basically a bag of air, the air had to escape somewhere. In that comic it did NOT show Juggernaut having trouble breathing sense he doesn't need to breathe.

Until we see WWH defeat Juggs in a convincing, non-controversial manner, it's still a tie/stalemate as far as I'm concerned. But WWH is a great read and I'm really not surprised that it's selling in record numbers...

When they said Spiderman beat hulk, this is sort of true, he lured him into wet cement... Thor BFR'd Juggy attacting him to his hammer which then proceeded to fly away.

Then again... if u wanna bring up those occasions i guess it wouldnt hurt to bring up Spidy has KO'd hulk before by just dodging his hits and numerous blows.... Captain America has KO'd hulk.... Batman has KO'd hulk (so to speak, kicked him is stomach forcing him to breath in gas that did)

keep in mind those are KO's not BFR.... Hulk just happens to have a larger fan base than Juggy. Hulk is by far a more interesting character but still.... just cause u like em more doesnt mean he would win. Best he can do is BFR

Wow, i just read a few posts, im amazing how many ppl arent knowledgable of the juggernaut as they keep referring to his depowered form...