Originally posted by h1a8
I have no scans. But I'm not saying Juggs has been knocked out before. He has been jarred several times though. And I got the info about Juggs able to be jarred from both bios and on panel showings. So I speculated that since his brain can be affected (by mental powers) and that can be jarred by physical force, then it stands to reason that he can be rendered unconscience. For being jarred means to be on the verge of unconscienceness. Thus by pounding faster than he can recover would certainly cause him to lose conscienceness. Or pounding him once with sufficient force. But all that is moot since he has a shield.Second, when I say linearly I not talking about time but anger/stress level. For example, his anger/stress level can jump exponentially (to time) and thus causing his strength to do likewise. Or his anger level can jump linearly (to time) and cause his strength to do likewise. It is just that his strength grows linearly to his anger/stress level and not necessarily time. But it is possible that his strength can grow exponentially to time provided that his anger/stress does. See I can be reasonable can I.
indeed, that does sound reasonable.
I think it's quite telling that Beyonder, Celestial tech by way of Apocalypse and many other beings with access to or imbued with genuinely godly powers have commented on the point that The Hulk does possess infinite powers. the Apocalypse scan, where he relays that his Celestial tech sees the energies that The Hulk +generates+ as perhaps being significant enough to present a challenge to The Celestials. Apocalypse himself states his disgust at the perverse irony of an 'inferior' being (Hulk) possessing such superior power...
and of course The Beyonder states that Hulk possesses access to similarly infinite energies as he himself does.
the point about jumping, leaping etc is definitely a telling one. Hulk's muscles function to a level well and above anything juggernaut's even have been shown to. he had to be transported by Cyttorak to face Hulk, if the situation were reversed, Hulk would just jump over there in a few moments.
also, things such as his ability to rend matter/energy, to grab and tear energy fields suggests that even The Hulk is barely aware of the scope and depths of his powers.
I doubt Juggernaut has anything like 100% access to Cyttorak's powers and more over, that Cyttorak would just sit there and watch as one of his charms sucks up substantial levels of his powers. he's going to cut his losses and let the charm be broken.
imo, the Bruce Banner-Hulk split (well the many many split personalities) retard the Hulk's exploration of his powers to a significant extent. Banner's never embraced his powers, fearing the loss of his conscious, rational self, in the rush of anger and sensation that comes with The Hulk, and The Hulk has always ignored his own powers by merely using them crudely. I'd like to see this Hulk or perhaps Banners (since, if the Strange thing is legit, Banner seems to be cooperating with Hulk) investigate and develop The Hulk's powers.
clearly they are extra-dimensional and not purely physical. they may be a form of matter manipulation, as someone here theorised, or they maybe something else entirely, but it'd be interested to ask the fundamental question about how a 'gamma bomb explosion' could have possibly led to a being with such powers?