Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
There you go again with the Bull$h!t.
Anyways IMO juggy was winning that fight slightly (as he got a few good hits in where as hulk didnt really do ne thing but lock up) until Xavier urged juggy to stop
Originally posted by HereComesRandal
hannibal i thought we understood each other
I understand how u work just fine... ive stated by opinion, i also tried to cease any tension from forming with a semi-peaceful resolution (as in the 1 the forum suggests). I dont really have much to say to you except warn you: be careful what you say, once you have lost credibility there isnt really a point to use the forum and by the looks of it, your well on your way if not already there to doing that...
Juggernaut wins he has every advantage that matters.
Durability: Juggy
Strength: Push
Stamina: Juggy
Speed: Hulk
Agility: Slight Edge Hulk
Cain basically doesn't tire, can match Hulk for strength, and Hulk can not hurt him. Hulk on the other hand can be hurt and can be affected. If Cain gets him down he can beat Hulk senseless Hulk can not do the same.
BFR has just become a non guaranteed win because Cain can have Cyttorak bring him back to the battlefield. Hulk has no such backup.
Cain wins through beating Hulk down and through BFR neither of which can give Hulk the win.
And yes Hulk was being pushed back in his fight with Cain in WWH.
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Originally posted by Newjak
Juggernaut wins he has every advantage that matters.Durability: Juggy
Strength: Push
Stamina: Juggy
Speed: Hulk
Agility: Slight Edge Hulk
Cain basically doesn't tire, can match Hulk for strength, and Hulk can not hurt him. Hulk on the other hand can be hurt and can be affected. If Cain gets him down he can beat Hulk senseless Hulk can not do the same.
BFR has just become a non guaranteed win because Cain can have Cyttorak bring him back to the battlefield. Hulk has no such backup.
Cain wins through beating Hulk down and through BFR neither of which can give Hulk the win.
And yes Hulk was being pushed back in his fight with Cain in WWH.
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Originally posted by picoico
The panel showed fear in Jugs eyes. Hulk STOPPED him and tossed him a way like a rag doll. Later, hulk was going to KILL him...until Absorbing man saved his arse.
fear? i thought it was more of a surprise. there is also no on panel evidence that it would have killed him. there is also no on panel evidence that the juggernaut (not cain marko) can even die.
Originally posted by picoico
The celestial tech basically enhanced Hulk's powers...no indication that he can't get there naturally...
actually it didnt. you see the green aura??? that was energy from another universe being funneled into hulk (hulk being the focal point of 616 and heroes reborn universe). that aura also negate juggs magics, which is why he was so effective against juggernaut. it would be the equivalent of juggernauts magics negating gamma rays in hulk and fighting bruce banner. not a good match up if you ask me 🙁
Originally posted by picoico
He hasn't lifted much. Strength isn't his thing so much as being unstoppable.
juggs has ALWAYS had the strength to match hulk in any incarnation to date... completely false.
Originally posted by picoico
Anyway, Onslaught vs Hulk, Onslught vs Jugs clears up the matter of strength.
it does??? i thought juggernaut matching hulk in strength no matter what incarnation cleared up the issue of strength.
edit: it was also revealed that the gems power may have been actually calling to onslaught (xavier) during the onslaught/juggernaut battle. which would leave cain marko as a normal human. because cyttorak said that the power was originally meant for xavier anyway because he would have made the perfet juggernaut... sorta *he wouldnt have been vulnerable to phsychics*
as much as i like Hulk, who is my favourite comic book character, in a correctly written fight i can't see him beating fully powered clasic Juggernaut. In sheer strength Hulk may be the superior BUT classic Juggy is totally resistant to physical injury, b'cos the enchantment from the cyttorak gem renders him so. Nothing purely physical( even punches from a severely enraged Hulk) can hurt him. He is able to win a pushing contest with the Hulk, also b'cos of the enchantment magically makes him unstoppable-not just his strength. If it was just strength then he would get around by jumping long distances just like the Hulk. The Hulk's power is purely physical while Juggernaut has magic at his beck and call, which allows him to 'break' physical laws, which the Hulk's gamma radiation powers have to obey
I did some research (some was in vain as I already knew most of it).
But many here one this forum argue "who is stronger". When strength (or force) is nowhere near as important as power. Yes power! Jumping ability is dependant on strength and speed. One has to be able to summon strength in a sufficient amount of time in order to leap a certain distance. Juggs has never leaped the distances Hulk has. So it is obviously that he lacks the power Hulk has. Also power (not strength) affects punching damage (or punching power).
All of this is not to say that Hulk wins but just to give info.
Imo, I think since Juggs can't be hurt physically with his shield up then it is at least a stalemate (disregarding BFR of course) for him. But it has stated by marvel that Juggs can be knocked out. His brain is vulnerable to being jarred from powerful strikes to the head and can lose conscienceness. But one must either strike him with an emormous amount of power to the head or just continue to pound at a rate faster than he can heal/regain his order.