Originally posted by llagrok
Yup.Never seen Classic juggernaut get injured by any of those attacks.
Because he tends to rely on straight up durability rather than his HF.
Hulk just stood there and took the nova without much effort. However since his durability is more about HF than stopping damage from happening he would hardly be at full power after than.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
For some reason WWH seems to be able to be injured easier than usual. Wolverine was cutting him like butter. I am sure Juggernaut could harm him.
This changes based on the writer. Jugs has also been shown to bleed. Shatterstar put a sword in each of his eyes...they grew back right away...but he was bleeding. They even shown him to yell out in pain...
That was in X-Force #3...
I kind of like that semi-vulnerable portrayl better. It'd be stupid and boaring to show Hulk land, and just beat the snot out of everyone without getting a scratch. That's one reason I never liked the way Jugs has been portrayed for the most part. I like it when he's shown to at least be a bit mortal...same thing with Thor.
In any case, I was wrong about Hulk being strongest. It's the Sentry who has been getting the major boost...chatacters keep implying he beat off Glaactus...whatever...
At least Ultron made Sentry bleed......that's a GOOD 'thang, imho....
Originally posted by picoico
This changes based on the writer. Jugs has also been shown to bleed. Shatterstar put a sword in each of his eyes...they grew back right away...but he was bleeding. They even shown him to yell out in pain...That was in X-Force #3...
I kind of like that semi-vulnerable portrayl better. It'd be stupid and boaring to show Hulk land, and just beat the snot out of everyone without getting a scratch. That's one reason I never liked the way Jugs has been portrayed for the most part. I like it when he's shown to at least be a bit mortal...same thing with Thor.
In any case, I was wrong about Hulk being strongest. It's the Sentry who has been getting the major boost...chatacters keep implying he beat off Glaactus...whatever...
At least Ultron made Sentry bleed......that's a GOOD 'thang, imho....
Shatterstar's swords are magic.
Originally posted by picoico
This changes based on the writer. Jugs has also been shown to bleed. Shatterstar put a sword in each of his eyes...they grew back right away...but he was bleeding. They even shown him to yell out in pain...That was in X-Force #3...
I kind of like that semi-vulnerable portrayl better. It'd be stupid and boaring to show Hulk land, and just beat the snot out of everyone without getting a scratch. That's one reason I never liked the way Jugs has been portrayed for the most part. I like it when he's shown to at least be a bit mortal...same thing with Thor.
In any case, I was wrong about Hulk being strongest. It's the Sentry who has been getting the major boost...chatacters keep implying he beat off Glaactus...whatever...
At least Ultron made Sentry bleed......that's a GOOD 'thang, imho....
Shatterstar's sword was mystical in origin, so it makes sense. It wasn't because he was strong enough or a artist mistake.
Sentry "beat off" Galactus?
Originally posted by llagrok😐 .......
His anger amplifies his powers. He is amplified.Read up on the Hulk please 😱 😎
Juggernaut can in fact hurt Hulk. Despite popular belief, the hulk actually does feel pain and he can be hurt when you punch him. That's why he staggered when the Thing punched him.
Originally posted by strengthkills
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Thing staggered Hulk,hmmmmm,I never knew saying"hmp"signified staggering and or pain.
Please stop saying Thing hurt Hulk...it makes you look desperate.
Go watch some series or read some comics, plenty of people say "hmph" after having been hit or made bleed.
No matter how way you put it, the Hulk can be and has been hurt physically during WWH. Which means that Juggernaut takes this.
Originally posted by llagrokHe has bled,thats about it,he hasnt been hurt in anything except X-men and then its because his eyes were slashed twice and kitty phased him,you or anyone trying to say thing hurt hulk is very desperate and pathetic,shall I post the scans.
Go watch some series or read some comics, plenty of people say "hmph" after having been hit or made bleed.No matter how way you put it, the Hulk can be and has been hurt physically during WWH. Which means that Juggernaut takes this.
Originally posted by strengthkills
He has bled,thats about it,he hasnt been hurt in anything except X-men and then its because his eyes were slashed twice and kitty phased him,you or anyone trying to say thing hurt hulk is very desperate and pathetic,shall I post the scans.
Post away.
Hulk has still been hurt physically, by characters weaker than the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by llagrokIf he isnt hurt significantly,then why bother bringing it up.
Post away.Hulk has still been hurt physically, by characters weaker than the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by llagrok
Go watch some series or read some comics, plenty of people say "hmph" after having been hit or made bleed.No matter how way you put it, the Hulk can be and has been hurt physically during WWH. Which means that Juggernaut takes this.
Why so sure? There's no indication that Jugs strength is up to the task of knocking hulk out. Dude's been hit with a lot...nuthin.
Black bolt's scream is like...what? A Nuke? No-sale.
HT's nova...nothing.
Ben Grimm didn't stand a chance.
Okay...so the writers make Hulk say "hrmph"....what makes you so sure they woudln't write Jugs saying a "Ghaa" here or there?
Can Jugs be knocked out? Yeah. Nimrod, Onslaught, Hulk... Hulk's done it before...just how much does it take for Hulk to naturally reach the Celesital-enhanced level? Dunno...maybe a century of fighting jugs...maybe an hour.
No indication.
Originally posted by picoico
Can Jugs be knocked out? Yeah. Nimrod, Onslaught, Hulk... Hulk's done it before...just how much does it take for Hulk to naturally reach the Celesital-enhanced level? Dunno...maybe a century of fighting jugs...maybe an hour.
In the 616 universe Hulk has never knocked Juggernaut out. The only time I can see you mistaking for that is when the psychic backlash wave KO'd Juggs when Hulk broke free of Red Skulls mind control.
Nimrod used some kind of high frequency sonic that did NOT KO him, but caused him to be disoriented.
As War, Hulk didn't KO Cain either. Besides stopping him with Celestial Tech, Hulk didn't accomplish much in that fight. Cain walked away as it it didn't happen.
Originally posted by picoico
Jugs strength level is a constant. Hulks is not.Hulk has been hurt..sure. He gets hurt. That makes him even more mad. That makes him stronger. That's not good for Jugs.
There is no indication that it is a constant, nor has there been a cap to his strength. He has never had trouble lifting any thing.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
In the 616 universe Hulk has never knocked Juggernaut out. The only time I can see you mistaking for that is when the psychic backlash wave KO'd Juggs when Hulk broke free of Red Skulls mind control.
War Hulk wasn't main stream?
Nimrod used some kind of high frequency sonic that did NOT KO him, but caused him to be disoriented.
It was a KO any way you slice it...
As War, Hulk didn't KO Cain either. Besides stopping him with Celestial Tech, Hulk didn't accomplish much in that fight. Cain walked away as it it didn't happen.
The panel showed fear in Jugs eyes. Hulk STOPPED him and tossed him a way like a rag doll. Later, hulk was going to KILL him...until Absorbing man saved his arse.
The celestial tech basically enhanced Hulk's powers...no indication that he can't get there naturally...
There is no indication that it is a constant, nor has there been a cap to his strength. He has never had trouble lifting any thing.
He hasn't lifted much. Strength isn't his thing so much as being unstoppable.
Anyway, Onslaught vs Hulk, Onslught vs Jugs clears up the matter of strength.
Originally posted by picoico
War Hulk wasn't main stream?
If you haven't noticed, this thread concerns Classic Juggernaut. Not Current Juggs.
It was a KO any way you slice it...
No it wasn't. He was still standing.
The panel showed fear in Jugs eyes. Hulk STOPPED him and tossed him a way like a rag doll. Later, hulk was going to KILL him...until Absorbing man saved his arse.
Hulk was not going to kill him. Alot of comic characters claim things in comics and they don't happen. Even with the power up, did you notice a scratch or even the tiniest blemish on Juggernaut?
He hasn't lifted much. Strength isn't his thing so much as being unstoppable.
Hulk hasn't lifted a mountain either.
Originally posted by strengthkills
If he isnt hurt significantly,then why bother bringing it up.
Not once has he been hurt so bad it took more than a panel to recover,not to mention he has One-shotted 3 people who would have given him a decent comic fight in the old days.
Well thank god that's relevant. Speedfreak also gave Hulk a decent fight in the old days, but it's still not a big feat to knock him out. Who did Hulk one shot by the way? I haven't seen him one shotting anyone as of yet, I've seen Hercules drop him though.
Originally posted by picoico
Can Jugs be knocked out? Yeah. Nimrod, Onslaught, Hulk... Hulk's done it before...just how much does it take for Hulk to naturally reach the Celesital-enhanced level? Dunno...maybe a century of fighting jugs...maybe an hour.No indication.
Nimrod used sonics to affect Juggernaut's hearing. Not that it should've worked. Juggernaut is in fact invulnerable and sonics haven't been effective before.
Onslaught, that was bullshit. How can he rip the gem out of Juggernaut if it's in outer space? Juggernaut tossed it into orbit. Cyttorak was shown granting him some more of his powers back after that, but the gem was never placed inside Juggernaut. Not that it matters, seeing as Onslaught was a psychic being.
Hulk after having been upgraded by Apocalypse, sure. But regular Hulk wouldn't be able to stop Juggernaut. Despite what either of you think, WWH hasn't fought a lot of class 100+ yet. He has only fought Hercules, who dropped him like a sack of beans.
when a new bad guy shows up juggernaut seems to develop some huge weakness, or his power level drops considerably so that the new guy can take him out easily and impress everyone enough that they buy more comics.
the onslaught thing was completely stupid. not only was the gem never in the juggernaut, but unless onslaught possesses more physical strength in his thumb and forefinger than there is in thors godforce, it shouldnt have done anything to him. juggernaut has withstood thors godforce and not gone down, he was prepairing to walk into it to get to thor before the ground caved in. in the onslaught saga psylock was shown to repeatedly read cains mind while he had his helmet on, which is also impossible going by any other comic ever written about the juggernaut. its the focus point of most issues hes in, but it was disregarded.
nimrod taking him down with sonics was just about as stupid as the whole onslaught thing was.
spoilers: anyway, in case anyone hasnt read it yet, this fight actually occured in the latest x-men wwh comic. juggernaut got his full power back and during the exchange they had both hulk and juggernaut seemed to agree that pre wwh, juggernaut was more powerful, but hulk said everything that happened before doesnt matter now. so they struggled and neither could force the other back, so hulk didnt have any kind of physical advantage. then professor x distracted cain, and when he looked away the hulk took him out via bfr. so going by that wwh doest really have much of an advantage over the juggernaut, the the fight was "won" because juggernaut was distracted and hulk sidestepped him. then the juggernaut landed in some swamp and hulk said by the time he gets out hulk will be gone anyway.
it would be a cool fight to see, but it looks like wwh doesnt have any advantage going into the fight as far as strength goes.