Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Bullcrap that USAgent is stronger then Ult. Cap. The guy has braced against trees, gone toe-to-toe with Ult. Hulk, lept several stories out of jets and survived a double-fist pounding by Ult. Abomination. Ult. Cap is so underrated on these forums that it makes me sick sometimes.
Bullcrap more like you don't no anything about Agent. While U.Cap is curling 500 lbs for working out purposes Agent is doing 10 to 20 tons.
Tree's. Plural he only braced one tree. 616 Cap has a feat of bracing a falling sky scrapper to even denting a thick metal door. 616 Cap has gone toe to toe with Cosmic being Korvac does this make him stronger then Agent.......................No.
616 Cap has survived a beating from Namor and Ironman and high falls from helicopters.
Your logic of Agent underrates him and makes me sick sometimes.
While Agent works out with "this".
Yeah he's so much stronger then USAgent........LOL
Originally posted by Baloo
616 Hulk got KOed by a truck or something. 😖hifty:
And find me a feat of U.Hulk grabbing energy with pure strength and deflecting a blast capable of destroying a universe. Or a punch that destroys a asteroid thats stated to be twice the size of the Earth. If your going with low feats. Let see you find high feats to match.... 😈
Originally posted by Daredevil1He braced a tree without a special force/momentum reducing shield in Ultimates v2 #5 (it's only pure adamantium). A tree of that width and height weighs tons upon tons. That was done with nothing but his strength. 616 Cap held up a skyscraper with his vibranium matrix shield, that wasn't all his strength. Try reading the comic you ninny. And nuts to your comparison of the two scans. If you read the scan from the Ultimates you'll notice that it's just a regular gym. How the hell are they going to have several ton weights in there for him to work out with anyway? He's working out there because it brings back memories to him.
Bullcrap more like you don't no anything about Agent. While U.Cap is curling 500 lbs for working out purposes Agent is doing 10 to 20 tons.Tree's. Plural he only braced one tree. 616 Cap has a feat of bracing a falling sky scrapper to even denting a thick metal door. 616 Cap has gone toe to toe with Cosmic being Korvac does this make him stronger then Agent.......................No.
616 Cap has survived a beating from Namor and Ironman and high falls from helicopters.
Your logic of Agent underrates him and makes me sick sometimes.
While Agent works out with "this".
U.Cap works out with this.Yeah he's so much stronger then USAgent........LOL
Ult. Cap went toe-to-toe with not just Ult. Hulk but Herr Kleiser, a guy that was busting up an enraged Ult. Hulk. He jumped several stories straight up from a crashing jet. He free fell into water from 600 feet without pause in Ultimates v2 #1. Whereas USAgent got f'ed up when he fell several stories when he was hypnotized by Purple Man in Civil War: Choosing Sides. Now you tell me whether USAgent can survive this, get up in one panel and go on to fight:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He braced a tree without a special force/momentum reducing shield in Ultimates v2 #5 (it's only pure adamantium). A tree of that width and height weighs tons upon tons. That was done with nothing but his strength. 616 Cap held up a skyscraper with his vibranium matrix shield, that wasn't all his strength. Try reading the comic you ninny. And nuts to your comparison of the two scans. If you read the scan from the Ultimates you'll notice that it's just a regular gym. How the hell are they going to have several ton weights in there for him to work out with anyway? He's working out there because it brings back memories to him.Ult. Cap went toe-to-toe with not just Ult. Hulk but Herr Kleiser, a guy that was busting up an enraged Ult. Hulk. He jumped several stories straight up from a crashing jet. He free fell into water from 600 feet without pause in Ultimates v2 #1. Whereas USAgent got f'ed up when he fell several stories when he was hypnotized by Purple Man in Civil War: Choosing Sides. Now you tell me whether USAgent can survive this, get up in one panel and go on to fight:
The vibranium absorbs "impact" it doesn't make "weight" disappear, theres a difference. Plus he went toe to toe with U. Hulk that was hurt and vomiting from his fight with U.Ironman/wasp calming him/tank drop toe to toe LOL, which only put him down briefly. Did you even see the friggin fight? U.Hulk threw him and treated U.Cap like he was non-existant you have a funny definition for goint toe to toe. Kleiser had its own set of circumstances as well.......read the books. He's working out there because thats his level of weights. Even his opponent Kleiser mentioned he's getting weaker. 616 Cap while in jail clothes survive a nasty airplane crash with no injury as the plane was decimated to another time fall going at 100 mph as Reed Richards stated it.
You talk about durability but thats not "strength" and I stated USAgent is stronger then U.Cap you wanker...... 🙂 USAgent I've seen him take hits from the wrecking crew, Warrior Woman(around Namor strength) to even defeat Ronan.
For some fight feats and durability feats Agent. But the point is Agent is stronger then U.Cap. Agent lifts buildings that fall off him with not much leverage or movement to go on. U.Cap did not military press that tree but used his whole body for that feat. 616 Cap has feats that match like catching WW2 torpedoes on the "move".
Here Cap shoulder hits a thick metal door as it shows it cracked and mangled up badly.
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Catching a thick Torpedo while its on the "move" and hitting the other with his shield.
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And 616 Cap stated Agent is roughly 10 times stronger then him. U.Cap feats don't even decimate 616 Cap, let alone show he's stronger then USAgent.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Metal vibranium may not make weight disappear, but a vibranium simulated matrix shield does. If you read the comic again, the captions even say that his shield is helping him with the weight. Don't just look at the scan in the respect thread, read the next page, if you have the comic. My guess is you don't. And going toe-to-toe with Ult. Hulk is a low feat to you? You try to downplay how strong Ult. Hulk was, but COME ON! At that specific moment in time, he was still able to rip through that tank like it was paper! And yeah, apparently you've never been to a gym because there's no way you can get into the tons level at a gym, he's constrained by the limits of a normal gym. Your interpretation is laughable considering he explains EXACTLY why he's training in that gym for nostalgia purposes.
The vibranium absorbs "impact" it doesn't make "weight" disappear, theres a difference. Plus he went toe to toe with U. Hulk that was hurt and vomiting from his fight with U.Ironman/wasp calming him/tank drop toe to toe LOL, which only put him down briefly. Did you even see the friggin fight? U.Hulk threw him and treated U.Cap like he was non-existant you have a funny definition for goint toe to toe. Kleiser had its own set of circumstances as well.......read the books. He's working out there because thats his level of weights. Even his opponent Kleiser mentioned he's getting weaker. 616 Cap while in jail clothes survive a nasty airplane crash with no injury as the plane was decimated to another time fall going at 100 mph as Reed Richards stated it.
Originally posted by Daredevil1And I contend that his fights with Ult. Hulk and Herr Kleiser and his feat of holding up a tree, without the benefit of any special shield, equal if not surpass USAgent's level of strength.
You talk about durability but thats not "strength" and I stated USAgent is stronger then U.Cap you wanker...... 🙂 USAgent I've seen him take hits from the wrecking crew, Warrior Woman(around Namor strength) to even defeat Ronan.For some fight feats and durability feats Agent. But the point is Agent is stronger then U.Cap. Agent lifts buildings that fall off him with not much leverage or movement to go on. U.Cap did not military press that tree but used his whole body for that feat. 616 Cap has feats that match like catching WW2 torpedoes on the "move".
His durability is a whole other issue that I decided to bring up and an issue you obviously have avoided since I just compared two instances of Ult. Cap and USAgent falling from heights and USAgent clearly loses out. And go ahead and show me a scan of USAgent getting pummeled point-blank by a class 100 foe and getting up to fight. Still waiting for an answer to my original query, "You really think USAgent could take a hit like that?"
This entire side debate doesn't much matter to me anyway. Nobody puts Ult. Cap on the same level as USAgent except maybe you. USAgent wishes he could suck Ult. Cap's left nut. Let's stop derailing the thread, by talking about some two-bit scrub who's been involved in more cancelled series then any other character in Marvel and get back on topic. 616 Cap is strong, but not as strong as Ult. Cap, not even close. 616 Cap doesn't leap several stories straight up, he doesn't grab granite slabs and create cracks and grips with his bare hands, and he doesn't hold up trees of that size without his shield. Don't even try to compare their respective strengths. I read more and know more about Cap then most people. Strength-wise, there is no comparison.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Metal vibranium may not make weight disappear, but a vibranium simulated matrix shield does. If you read the comic again, the captions even say that his shield is helping him with the weight. Don't just look at the scan in the respect thread, read the next page, if you have the comic. My guess is you don't. And going toe-to-toe with Ult. Hulk is a low feat to you? You try to downplay how strong Ult. Hulk was, but COME ON! At that specific moment in time, he was still able to rip through that tank like it was paper! And yeah, apparently you've never been to a gym because there's no way you can get into the tons level at a gym, he's constrained by the limits of a normal gym. Your interpretation is laughable considering he explains EXACTLY why he's training in that gym for nostalgia purposes.
And I contend that his fights with Ult. Hulk and Herr Kleiser and his feat of holding up a tree, without the benefit of any special shield, equal if not surpass USAgent's level of strength.His durability is a whole other issue that I decided to bring up and an issue you obviously have avoided since I just compared two instances of Ult. Cap and USAgent falling from heights and USAgent clearly loses out. And go ahead and show me a scan of USAgent getting pummeled point-blank by a class 100 foe and getting up to fight. Still waiting for an answer to my original query, "You really think USAgent could take a hit like that?"
This entire side debate doesn't much matter to me anyway. Nobody puts Ult. Cap on the same level as USAgent except maybe you. USAgent wishes he could suck Ult. Cap's left nut. Let's stop derailing the thread, by talking about some two-bit scrub who's been involved in more cancelled series then any other character in Marvel and get back on topic. 616 Cap is strong, but not as strong as Ult. Cap, not even close. 616 Cap doesn't leap several stories straight up, he doesn't grab granite slabs and create cracks and grips with his bare hands, and he doesn't hold up trees of that size without his shield. Don't even try to compare their respective strengths. I read more and know more about Cap then most people. Strength-wise, there is no comparison.
Bro can we try and keep this civil. To be fair you did kinda start it. I dont have beef with with you or Daredevil1 and were all Captain America fans. We should join forces and destroy the Wolverine fanboys!!!!! CRUSH WOLVERINE!!!!!
Ok serioulsy now im with Daredevil1 on this. The fact of the matter is I dont think you have any concrete evidence to say that Ult Cap is stronger and more durable than US Agent. Ok Ult Cap has fought Ult Hulk, yeah sure thats impressive but the point is that Ult Hulk was not at his peak when fighting Ult Cap because Ult Cap dropped a tank on him and had help...after that he just got beaten up. Hell Ult Hulk might not even be class100 but hes strong thats for sure (ie he might be classified as class 80 or 70 which is lower class 100)
Furthermore US Agent took a beating from Ronan The Accuser and got up and KOed Ronan. Ronan is a herald level characters and thats comparable to him taking a beating from Ult Hulk and Ult Abom.
Ult Cap held up a tree. Bro do you know how heavy that tree was? That doesnt look like anything that US Agent couldnt do.
As for the 616 Cap I dont think that Daredevil1 was saying that 616 Cap is stronger or even more durable than Ult Cap I think he was just saying that some of his feats are comparable or not that far off from Ult Cap. For example there is no point in telling us that Ult Cap has jumped several stories from a jet plane when 616 Cap has done the samething out of a helicopter. Any strength or durability feat that 616 Cap can take US Agent should be able to, the only reason why he probably lost his nerve from jumping out of a plane was probably due to courage and not durability.😬
Sure there may be some feats from Ult Cap that are better than US Agents but to be fair alot of them seem comparable. .
Metal vibranium may not make weight disappear, but a vibranium simulated matrix shield does. If you read the comic again, the captions even say that his shield is helping him with the weight. Don't just look at the scan in the respect thread, read the next page, if you have the comic. My guess is you don't. And going toe-to-toe with Ult. Hulk is a low feat to you? You try to downplay how strong Ult. Hulk was, but COME ON! At that specific moment in time, he was still able to rip through that tank like it was paper! And yeah, apparently you've never been to a gym because there's no way you can get into the tons level at a gym, he's constrained by the limits of a normal gym. Your interpretation is laughable considering he explains EXACTLY why he's training in that gym for nostalgia purposes.
I have the book but maybe you should read it as it states the shield only helps so much as with the weight as it states the rest is being held by Captain America. I see you didn't respond to the torpedos and dented thick metal door. Apparently your not reading he not only went there for just a one time day memories but he made a contract with that gym as well plus he gives other reasons as well nothing to do with the "weights" unlike what you state. Your logic is nonsensical and irrational at best. He did not go toe to toe with him again your logic is pathetic. U.Cap got owned by U.Hulk to deny this is to deny what actually happened.
U.Cap downed him briefly which 616 Cap has downed Thunderball, to the real Hulk briefly, to many others such as Hyde and the Wrecker. Point is its not that great of a feat in comparison to 616 Cap.
And I contend that his fights with Ult. Hulk and Herr Kleiser and his feat of holding up a tree, without the benefit of any special shield, equal if not surpass USAgent's level of strength.His durability is a whole other issue that I decided to bring up and an issue you obviously have avoided since I just compared two instances of Ult. Cap and USAgent falling from heights and USAgent clearly loses out. And go ahead and show me a scan of USAgent getting pummeled point-blank by a class 100 foe and getting up to fight. Still waiting for an answer to my original query, "You really think USAgent could take a hit like that?"
This entire side debate doesn't much matter to me anyway. Nobody puts Ult. Cap on the same level as USAgent except maybe you. USAgent wishes he could suck Ult. Cap's left nut. Let's stop derailing the thread, by talking about some two-bit scrub who's been involved in more cancelled series then any other character in Marvel and get back on topic. 616 Cap is strong, but not as strong as Ult. Cap, not even close. 616 Cap doesn't leap several stories straight up, he doesn't grab granite slabs and create cracks and grips with his bare hands, and he doesn't hold up trees of that size without his shield. Don't even try to compare their respective strengths. I read more and know more about Cap then most people. Strength-wise, there is no comparison.
They don't even surpass Cap. No way does his strength feats surpass USAgent. No offense but I just pointed out 616 Cap durability feats so who cares. Agent is stronger and U.Cap feats fail to look superior to Caps. Ironman even stated if felt like holding a tornado, as he was holding Cap down. As Cap rips apart chains and falls from building level heights and even ran a mile a minute. To break or dent a thick metal door, to even catch thick WW2 torpedoes. Please spare us you pathetic rhetoric babble. Lets face it Agent is stronger and 616 Cap is the better fighter........... 🙂
Lets not forget U.Abom is not as strong as U.Hulk who easily killed U.Abom I might add.
Ultimate Cap is definitely stronger, and has the killer instinct to a further extent. However, he is prone to rage, and so loses his cool (which is the reason that Herr Kleiser kicked the shit out of him at first in Homeland Security, in my opinion.) However 616 Cap is more skilled, level-headed, and most importantly controlled and careful. So I go with 616 Cap 6/10.
Originally posted by Etrigan
Ultimate Cap is definitely stronger, and has the killer instinct to a further extent. However, he is prone to rage, and so loses his cool (which is the reason that Herr Kleiser kicked the shit out of him at first in Homeland Security, in my opinion.) However 616 Cap is more skilled, level-headed, and most importantly controlled and careful. So I go with 616 Cap 6/10.
I think he's more durable as well....
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWe are all Cap fans and I don't mind debating over it, but you guys are being as bit selective when countering my arguments. Ult. Hulk ripped through the tank like it was paper and Ult. Cap got into a straight up fist-fight with him. Sure 616 Cap has knocked out Thunderball, but let's be honest here, that was a sucker punch.
Bro can we try and keep this civil. To be fair you did kinda start it. I dont have beef with with you or Daredevil1 and were all Captain America fans. We should join forces and destroy the Wolverine fanboys!!!!! CRUSH WOLVERINE!!!!!Ok serioulsy now im with Daredevil1 on this. The fact of the matter is I dont think you have any concrete evidence to say that Ult Cap is stronger and more durable than US Agent. Ok Ult Cap has fought Ult Hulk, yeah sure thats impressive but the point is that Ult Hulk was not at his peak when fighting Ult Cap because Ult Cap dropped a tank on him and had help...after that he just got beaten up. Hell Ult Hulk might not even be class100 but hes strong thats for sure (ie he might be classified as class 80 or 70 which is lower class 100)
Furthermore US Agent took a beating from Ronan The Accuser and got up and KOed Ronan. Ronan is a herald level characters and thats comparable to him taking a beating from Ult Hulk and Ult Abom.
Ult Cap held up a tree. Bro do you know how heavy that tree was? That doesnt look like anything that US Agent couldnt do.
As for the 616 Cap I dont think that Daredevil1 was saying that 616 Cap is stronger or even more durable than Ult Cap I think he was just saying that some of his feats are comparable or not that far off from Ult Cap. For example there is no point in telling us that Ult Cap has jumped several stories from a jet plane when 616 Cap has done the samething out of a helicopter. Any strength or durability feat that 616 Cap can take US Agent should be able to, the only reason why he probably lost his nerve from jumping out of a plane was probably due to courage and not durability.😬
Sure there may be some feats from Ult Cap that are better than US Agents but to be fair alot of them seem comparable. .
And you're referring to 'Maximum Security?' I haven't read it in a while, so I'll take a look at it again and see if USAgent ever got point-blank pounded by Ronan to seemingly no effect. If you have it, let me know.
Ult. Cap held up the tree. How do we know how heavy it was? By simple calculations. There was another thread about this whole debate and through simple measurements, most people agreed that tree was well past 10 ton range.
My arguments with Daredevil1 have gone off on a tangent. I didn't cite them to prove Ult. Cap's strength and durability were superior to 616 Cap's. That much is obvious. I was debating whether Ult. Cap was as strong or stronger then USAgent. And you and Daredevil1 still misinterpret the feat I'm speaking of. In Ultimates #12, Ult. Cap jumps several stories straight up from a crashing plane. No ejector seat, nothing. He just leaps straight up, it's in the respect thread. Skydiving from a plane 600 feet high is a separate feat. Both of those feats are superior to any of USAgent's that I've seen, never mind 616 Cap's.
And I don't remember ever saying that USAgent ever lost his nerve jumping out of a plane. I was referring to when Purple Man hypnotized him in Civil War: Choosing Sides and he fell from several stories up and when you next see USAgent, he's all in bandages and junk. I was comparing that scene to Ult. Cap skydiving straight into water from 600 feet high (which is 50-60 stories give or take). But if you know of a scene where USAgent is afraid of jumping out of a plane, let me know. Otherwise, I've never seen USAgent take a pounding like Ult. Cap. I don't think there's any question Ult. Cap is more durable then USAgent, I've proved as much already. Strength-wise, it's a tossup. But arguing that he works out at his old gym because those are the weights he can handle is ridiculous. He even states in the scan that he hates those fancy new gyms and being a member at the old gym is a dream of his.
And now I got Daredevil1 trying to classify Ult. Abomination as weaker then Ult. Hulk (no sh1t sherlock), and that somehow undermines Ult. Cap's soaking up the blow from him. Ha. I know every single one of 616 Cap's impressive feats and I got this guy acting like he's lecturing me about them. I've been in pretty much every Cap vs. thread that's been made in KMC. 616 Cap never held up a multi-ton tree with nothing but his own strength, 616 Cap never grabbed granite and cracked it with his bare fingers, 616 Cap never leapt several stories straight up. They're not that comparable in strength. And durability wise, Ult. Cap exceeds both 616 Cap and his cheap knockoff. I'm absolutely open to scans for either of them, but I'm done spanking USAgent for now. There's a USAgent vs. Ult. Cap thread and before derailing this thread any further, we can take any further discussion about him there: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=390485&highlight=title%3A%28ultimate+cap%29. This is about 616 Cap vs. Ult. Cap.
Thats silly saying 616 Cap never held up a tree.
Thats like me saying U.Cap never caught WW2 torpedos on the go. Or U.Cap never fell from an altitude while going 100 mph. Or U.Cap never ran a mile in a minute. Or U.Cap never dented a pure thick steel.
Or U.Cap never dodged "beams" while under zero gravity etc etc etc.
616 Cap has also taken hits from Namor and Ironman and was not KO'ed as well.
I see all your doing is ignoring feats for Cap is all your doing. I have no problem admitting U.Cap is a bit stronger but nothing portrayed or stated like USAgent.
Especially since most of his feat don't look more impressive then 616 Cap.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
We are all Cap fans and I don't mind debating over it, but you guys are being as bit selective when countering my arguments. Ult. Hulk ripped through the tank like it was paper and Ult. Cap got into a straight up fist-fight with him. Sure 616 Cap has knocked out Thunderball, but let's be honest here, that was a sucker punch.
Ok but as you know there are other examples, for example hitting Savage Hulk so hard he lets go of him. Savage Hulk>>>> Ult Hulk. It also was not a striaight up fist fight. Cap dropped the tank on him then layed into Ult Hulk, after that he got beatdown.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you're referring to 'Maximum Security?' I haven't read it in a while, so I'll take a look at it again and see if USAgent ever got point-blank pounded by Ronan to seemingly no effect. If you have it, let me know.
Well there you go.
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The point is Ronan >>>>> Ultimate Hulk. 😬
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ult. Cap held up the tree. How do we know how heavy it was? By simple calculations. There was another thread about this whole debate and through simple measurements, most people agreed that tree was well past 10 ton range.
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No he braced the wieght of the tree. Hell he didnt even lift it compleley off the ground because it was partially supported by the truck. I could see 616 Cap doing that. We still dont know how much it weighed hell I think somebody who could lift 600lbs maybe be able to tip over a car and brace its weight, that dont mean he can lift 2 tons. 😬
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
My arguments with Daredevil1 have gone off on a tangent. I didn't cite them to prove Ult. Cap's strength and durability were superior to 616 Cap's. That much is obvious. I was debating whether Ult. Cap was as strong or stronger then USAgent. And you and Daredevil1 still misinterpret the feat I'm speaking of. In Ultimates #12, Ult. Cap jumps several stories straight up from a crashing plane. No ejector seat, nothing. He just leaps straight up, it's in the respect thread. Skydiving from a plane 600 feet high is a separate feat. Both of those feats are superior to any of USAgent's that I've seen, never mind 616 Cap's.
Well ok that was 600 feet into water was it? I think an ordinery guy did something like that once. Ok he jumped several strories into the air, I had a look at it again and that 1 ft looks impressive but that alone dont make him heads and shoulders above US Agent. Above 616 probably but he did manage to jump on to Iron man he was trying to fly away from him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And I don't remember ever saying that USAgent ever lost his nerve jumping out of a plane. I was referring to when Purple Man hypnotized him in Civil War: Choosing Sides and he fell from several stories up and when you next see USAgent, he's all in bandages and junk. I was comparing that scene to Ult. Cap skydiving straight into water from 600 feet high (which is 50-60 stories give or take). But if you know of a scene where USAgent is afraid of jumping out of a plane, let me know. Otherwise, I've never seen USAgent take a pounding like Ult. Cap. I don't think there's any question Ult. Cap is more durable then USAgent, I've proved as much already. Strength-wise, it's a tossup. But arguing that he works out at his old gym because those are the weights he can handle is ridiculous. He even states in the scan that he hates those fancy new gyms and being a member at the old gym is a dream of his.
Ok fair enough. Again though US Agent took a beating from Ronan thats more impressive than taking a beating from Ultimate Hulk. Alos I think that might have happened before US Agents upgrade..maybe.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And now I got Daredevil1 trying to classify Ult. Abomination as weaker then Ult. Hulk (no sh1t sherlock), and that somehow undermines Ult. Cap's soaking up the blow from him. Ha. I know every single one of 616 Cap's impressive feats and I got this guy acting like he's lecturing me about them. I've been in pretty much every Cap vs. thread that's been made in KMC. 616 Cap never held up a multi-ton tree with nothing but his own strength,
Well you know what. Azareal has blantaly lifted up a tree, he has been classified as having 1-2 tons strength like Cap has, as far as im concerned Ult Cap was supporting its weight and not really lifting it up.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
616 Cap never grabbed granite and cracked it with his bare fingers,
Well he did smash some guys head againt the concrete and manged to crack it...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
616 Cap never leapt several stories straight up.
He did manage to catch Iron Man who was trying to fly away, but we dont know exactly how he jumped but was still pretty impressive.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They're not that comparable in strength. And durability wise, Ult. Cap exceeds both 616 Cap and his cheap knockoff. I'm absolutely open to scans for either of them, but I'm done spanking USAgent for now. There's a USAgent vs. Ult. Cap thread and before derailing this thread any further, we can take any further discussion about him there: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=390485&highlight=title%3A%28ultimate+cap%29. This is about 616 Cap vs. Ult. Cap.
I think Ult Cap is more durable than than 616 Cap but you havnet proven that hes stronger than 616 Cap or more durable than the US Agent.
