Pre-Crisis Superman v. Darkseid

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Originally posted by panthergod
then difference of course being that this all happened within a short period of time.

Superman was not at 100% there.

Originally posted by panthergod
Or Superman wasn't at his best after waking up from a Galactus level blasting fighting Kalibak then getting sucker blasted from behinf=d by Darkseid like the coward he is. If someone blasts you from behind when you aren't prepared for it then that gives them an unfair advabtage to begin with. add in the fact that he has jUST woken up from unconsiousness earlier and it's pretty ob vous.
You can say that Ds cheapshotted Supes and that gave him the upper hand, but the funniest part about that is, Superman flew straight towards Ds when his back was turned and was blasted away. This was when he was at full power.

Originally posted by panthergod
Whe Darkised stalemated Supes later on they were both specfically stated to be at full power by the writer.
Lmao, you've basically contradicted yourself then. If the writer said they where at full power, then I was right. Keep up the honesty and I may grow to like you.

Originally posted by panthergod
GDS is irrlevant. this is the current Darkiseid not the Pre-Crisis version. He is nowhere near that powerful on average.

Otherwise, I WILL use Pre-Crisis feats for the current Superman, sincepost-IC he has his pre-Crisis Legion and JLA continuity.

BULLSHIT! You can't use pc Superman feats, because their non canon to him. He was effected by the crisis, SEID WASN'T. And you can't say he's not that powerful based off of nothing. He can kill thousands of skyfathers and snatch their power for himself, create Stayne a very powerful being and cause time to collapse. We've never seen Ds's full potential, so to say he's not at that level is just speculation.

Originally posted by starking
You can say that Ds cheapshotted Supes and that gave him the upper hand, but the funniest part about that is, Superman flew straight towards Ds when his back was turned and was blasted away. This was when he was at full power.

Lmao, you've basically contradicted yourself then. If the writer said they where at full power, then I was right. Keep up the honesty and I may grow to like you.

BULLSHIT! You can't use pc Superman feats, because their non canon to him. He was effected by the crisis, SEID WASN'T. And you can't say he's not that powerful based off of nothing. He can kill thousands of skyfathers and snatch their power for himself, create Stayne a very powerful being and cause time to collapse. We've never seen Ds's full potential, so to say he's not at that level is just speculation.

here we go with another rant about ds and how he is limitless. he didnt seem limitless in apokolips now. he seemed weaker than superman. in hunter and prey he seemed pretty weak as well. precrisis superman was a maniac and hwile darkseid was a maniac back then as well he has changed and is only a shadow of his former self. ds loses here 10 outta 10. current superman can beat him down on occasion in todays times. 😉

again u say cuase time to collapse. but u leave out where darkseid was going to destroy himself becuz he wasnt smart enough to figure out a way to stop it. quit with ur darkseid exaggerations he was crushed in foundations, two of them lost simlutaneously. 😆

Originally posted by panthergod
It's facts, son, as the comics and the writers themsleves state.
Facts my ass, your speculating and that's all.

Originally posted by panthergod
I specifically stated that the incerease in power was due to him accessing previously un accessed powerlevels from within.

Just as Wally West was weaker when he limited hmself to the speed of sound after the Crisis when he always had the abililty to access the speed force, Superman normally is supressing his full powerlevel according to those showings. when he access his full power he is on a whole 'nother level capable fo stalemating/defeating Darkised, stalemating kal-l, trashing Imperiex Probes,etc.

Like I said earlier, your interpretations are off. When you acheive your full potential, your not getting more more powerful your becoming what you truly are.

Originally posted by panthergod
So when Superman[b]specifically stated that when his powers "surged" from him going all out--he was lying?

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For Superman, similar to Gladiator, his access to his internal power is dependant upon his mental state. When he cuts loose, he can reach a higher level of power than he normally displays and is portrayed with. The potential for that power is always there, but he rarely accesses it all.

Regardless, Superman is more powerful post '99 mongul training where he first learned to access higher levels. [/B]

Your saying EXACTLY what I said. He gains access to his true power, not increases it. But this shit doesn't matter anyways, Supes shouldn't be on Ds's level no matter how far he pushes himself. If he can, then he's capable of soloing(individually) Firestorm and Orion, Agogg, Secret, Takion, and Eclipso. Which is just pure bullshit, no matter how you look at it.

Originally posted by starking
Facts my ass, your speculating and you that's all.

Like I said earlier, your interpretations are off. When you acheive your full potential, your not getting more more powerful your becoming what you truly are.

Your saying EXACTLY what I said. He gains access to his true power, not increases it. But this shit doesn't matter anyways, Supes shouldn't be on Ds's level no matter how far he pushes himself. If he can, then he's capable of soloing(individually) Firestorm and Orion, Agogg, Secret, Takion, and Eclipso. Which is just pure bullshit, no matter how you look at it.

why do u always have to brinbg in toher characters to superman vs darkseid when we already have seen them fight many times. accept his loss. its like when the bulls figured out how to beat the bad boy pistons. superman has figured out how to beat darkseid and hasnt lost since

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Originally posted by starking
You can say that Ds cheapshotted Supes and that gave him the upper hand, but the funniest part about that is, Superman flew straight towards Ds when his back was turned and was blasted away. This was when he was at full power.

--during the Byrne Era--when he was FAR less powerful than he is now.

Good job, tho. Darkised is above a far weaker Superman.

Yay.

As for proof of that--yeah, after the Death of Superman, Superman got a powerup and was generally more powerful acors the board than before, as proven in Hunter/Prey:

Current Superman>Post-Death 'mullet' Superman>Byrne Era Superman


Lmao, you've basically contradicted yourself then. If the writer said they where at full power, then I was right. Keep up the honesty and I may grow to like you.

Hey, son, I was talking about the SECOND fight-where they stalemated.

Joe Casey says that the second fight in OWAW where Superman and Darkseid stalemated and Darkised failed to kill Sueprman with the OE--they were both at full power.

http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

RC: Regarding Superman's second fight with Darkseid in Adventures 595: Was this a fair fight, or were any of the combatants unfairly exhausted by previous events in the storyline?

JOE CASEY: When I pit Superman and Darkseid against each other, I'm picturing both of them in top-form, going at each other 100%. That's the only way to do it.


So yeah, that DOES prove my point that a Supermsan who just woke up from a Galactus level being's blast then gets sucker blasted while fighting a top tier is not at 100%. Thanks, son.


BULLSHIT! You can't use pc Superman feats, because their non canon to him. He was effected by the crisis, SEID WASN'T.

Hey, kid, I know you don't read the actual comics, but as of Infinite Crisis, Pre-Crisis Legion and JLA ARE canon to Superman. a good amount of his previously non canon pre-crisis history has been referenced again post-IC. just like Batman, Wonder Woman, Doom Patrol and other, Pre-Crisis

If you DARE to cite irrelevant pre ciris possible futures, then Superman proven past, where he was moving planets, time traveling, smashing dimensional barriers, and more as a kid are still canon as well. Difference of course being, that what I'm actually right.


And you can't say he's not that powerful based off of nothing. He can kill thousands of skyfathers and snatch their power for himself,

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where?

you making up bullshit fan fiction and passing them as fact doesn't fly with me, kid.


create Stayne a very powerful being and cause time to collapse. We've never seen Ds's full potential, so to say he's not at that level is just speculation.

Sure we saw a good amount of that potential when he was ripping anf falling on his face like a fool.

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seriously, though that's a BS coppout.

the fact is he HASN'T done any of those feats, and anyways, they are FAR from the entirety of his showings. the current Superman is his proven superior in physical combat, and the pre-crisis Superman demolishes him.

Originally posted by panthergod
--during the Byrne Era--when he was FAR less powerful than he is now.

Good job, tho. Darkised is above a far weaker Superman.

Yay.

As for proof of that--yeah, after the Death of Superman, Superman got a powerup and was generally more powerful acors the board than before, as proven in Hunter/Prey:

Current Superman>Post-Death 'mullet' Superman>Byrne Era Superman

Hey, son, I was talking about the SECOND fight-where they stalemated.

Joe Casey says that the second fight in OWAW where Superman and Darkseid stalemated and Darkised failed to kill Sueprman with the OE--they were both at full power.

http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

So yeah, that DOES prove my point that a Supermsan who just woke up from a Galactus level being's blast then gets sucker blasted while fighting a top tier is not at 100%. Thanks, son.

Hey, kid, I know you don't read the actual comics, but as of Infinite Crisis, Pre-Crisis Legion and JLA ARE canon to Superman. a good amount of his previously non canon pre-crisis history has been referenced again post-IC. just like Batman, Wonder Woman, Doom Patrol and other, Pre-Crisis

If you DARE to cite irrelevant pre ciris possible futures, then Superman proven past, where he was moving planets, time traveling, smashing dimensional barriers, and more as a kid are still canon as well. Difference of course being, that what I'm actually right.

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where?

you making up bullshit fan fiction and passing them as fact doesn't fly with me, kid.

Sure we saw a good amount of that potential when he was ripping anf falling on his face like a fool.

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seriously, though that's a BS coppout.

the fact is he HASN'T done any of those feats, and anyways, they are FAR from the entirety of his showings. the current Superman is his proven superior in physical combat, and the pre-crisis Superman demolishes him.

thats some serious ownage. i also agree that starking doesnt read most of these comics. he argued with me for over foundations for over an hour and finally admitted he hadnt even read it. he said hed ask other people becuz he hadnt read it.

Originally posted by starking
Facts my ass, your speculating and that's all.

The fact that Superman is operating at a higher powerlevel than he was during the Byrne era is a fact, non speculation, son.


Like I said earlier, your interpretations are off. When you acheive your full potential, your not getting more more powerful your becoming what you truly are.

Irrelevant semantics.

Superman got more powerful BY accessing his hidden, true full power. He could do things that he could not do previously, he got more powerful, period. the fact that he happened due to him tapping into his internal, suppressed powerlevels is besides the point.


Your saying EXACTLY what I said. He gains access to his true power, not increases it. But this shit doesn't matter anyways, Supes shouldn't be on Ds's level no matter how far he pushes himself.

Except that he is--PERIOD.. he withstands the omega effect, deflects it, and punches Darkseid's eyeknobs in.

Superman is just that damned powerful.


If he can, then he's capable of soloing(individually) Firestorm and Orion, Agogg, Secret, Takion, and Eclipso. Which is just pure bullshit, no matter how you look at it. [/B]

No, he's just capable of tearing apart Imperiex Probes, stalemating Kal-L, one shotting Despero, shattering an alternate Diana's Aegis Bracelets, etcetcetc.

Darksied's more powerful all around than the current Superman but he is not physically superior.

And the pre-Crisis Superman destroys him.

yes current superman is much more formidable inside close quarters than darkseid. if we all agree how much more powerful precrisis supes is than current supes how can anyone rationally say darkseid hasnt been depowered by the writers.

Originally posted by panthergod
The fact that Superman is operating at a higher powerlevel than he was during the Byrne era is a fact, non speculation, son.

Irrelevant semantics.

Superman got more powerful BY accessing his hidden, true full power. He could do things that he could not do previously, he got more powerful, period. the fact that he happened due to him tapping into his internal, suppressed powerlevels is besides the point.

Except that he is--PERIOD.. he withstands the omega effect, deflects it, and punches Darkseid's eyeknobs in.

Superman is just that damned powerful.

No, he's just capable of tearing apart Imperiex Probes, stalemating Kal-L, one shotting Despero, shattering an alternate Diana's Aegis Bracelets, etcetcetc.

Darksied's more powerful all around than the current Superman but he is not physically superior.

And the pre-Crisis Superman destroys him.

Who said That Diana's bracelets were Aegis in the alter verse? ALL of the amazons wear similiar bracelets. Also, His heat vision one shotted Despero where he was gettign pwned in hand to hand. So is HV now superior to his strength? Maybe he should just heat vision everything. I'd call that PIS. I haven't seen Superman with stand any reality dumps or any waves of DS hand that pwned Firestorm. Until Superman does, then he is pretty much screwed against DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenarealman
Who said That Diana's bracelets were Aegis in the alter verse? ALL of the amazons wear similiar bracelets.

LMAO.

yeah, and that golden rope she had wasn't the Lasso of Truth either, right?

she was the amazonian ambassador there, her origin was identical, her history was identical except for the fact that the outside world was run by Superman/Batman.


Also, His heat vision one shotted Despero where he was gettign pwned in hand to hand. So is HV now superior to his strength? Maybe he should just heat vision everything. I'd call that PIS.

A goddamn lie.

AGAIN.

Sueprman was fdeliberately allowing Despero to beat on him so that he could convince the aliens that were controlling humanity that he was a good guy.here are the scans, so everyone can see through your bullshit:

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=59283

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=59284

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=59285

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=59286

He [b]wasn't even fighting back[/b at first.

Once again, nvrbeenarealman's lies have been demolished. 😆


I haven't seen Superman with stand any reality dumps or any waves of DS hand that pwned Firestorm. Until Superman does, then he is pretty much screwed against DS.

All he needs to do is make some stairs in front of Darkseid's feet and he's good.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who said That Diana's bracelets were Aegis in the alter verse? ALL of the amazons wear similiar bracelets. Also, His heat vision one shotted Despero where he was gettign pwned in hand to hand. So is HV now superior to his strength? Maybe he should just heat vision everything. I'd call that PIS. I haven't seen Superman with stand any reality dumps or any waves of DS hand that pwned Firestorm. Until Superman does, then he is pretty much screwed against DS.
how can superman be screwed against ds when has has beaten his ass how many times. until ds shows me something special he will still lose to the main in blue.

Originally posted by panthergod
LMAO.

yeah, and that golden rope she had wasn't the Lasso of Truth either, right?

she was the amazonian ambassador there, her origin was identical, her history was identical except for the fact that the outside world was run by Superman/Batman.

A goddamn lie.

AGAIN.

Sueprman was fdeliberately allowing Despero to beat on him so that he could convince the aliens that were controlling humanity that he was a good guy.here are the scans, so everyone can see through your bullshit:

He [b]wasn't even fighting back.

Once again, nvrbeen arealman's lies have been demolished.

All he needs to do is make some stairs in front of Darkseid's feet and he's good.

😆 [/B]

😂

Originally posted by panthergod
LMAO.

yeah, and that golden rope she had wasn't the Lasso of Truth either, right?

she was the amazonian ambassador there, her origin was identical, her history was identical except for the fact that the outside world was run by Superman/Batman.

A goddamn lie.

AGAIN.

Sueprman was fdeliberately allowing Despero to beat on him so that he could convince the aliens that were controlling humanity that he was a good guy.here are the scans, so everyone can see through your bullshit:

He [b]wasn't even fighting back.

Once again, nvrbeen arealman's lies have been demolished.

All he needs to do is make some stairs in front of Darkseid's feet and he's good.

😆 [/B]

And yet you are the one who declined my invitation to beat your ass. I guess you dont' want to get beat the **** up by someone you say has never been a real man. You are apunk behind a computer. I'm a ghetto nigga with a good job and I'd beat your ass up and down the street. Anyway, Superman has never been good with Despero. We also know that Despero's power fluxuates depending on whom he's inhabiting. And Sorry to disappoint, It was an alternate universe, so we have no idea if there is a shield of zeus there or where the lasso came from. obviously it's not the same one's diana has. Becuz hers deflect the power of the greek pantheon. Superman would be pwned from a blast like that.

Originally posted by panthergod
--during the Byrne Era--when he was FAR less powerful than he is now.

Good job, tho. Darkised is above a far weaker Superman.

Yay.

As for proof of that--yeah, after the Death of Superman, Superman got a powerup and was generally more powerful acors the board than before, as proven in Hunter/Prey:

Current Superman>Post-Death 'mullet' Superman>Byrne Era Superman

Your wasting your time with posting these scans. He said he's stronger than before and he blasted Cyborg into hell. But the fact that he had trouble with Cyborg in the first place, EVEN WHEN CUTTING LOSE, keeps me from believing he's not on Ds's level. Since you like to display pictures, I figured I would do the same.

Guess who got his shit blown to kingdom come, basically curbstomped by a single blast, where in areas Superman cutting lose couldn't do the same with a weaker version of Henshaw.

Originally posted by panthergod
Hey, son, I was talking about the SECOND fight-where they stalemated.

Joe Casey says that the second fight in OWAW where Superman and Darkseid stalemated and Darkised failed to kill Sueprman with the OE--they were both at full power.

Nah I didn't know that, despite saying "earlier on in that story'', as in me bringing up a different instance, to make a comparison.

Originally posted by panthergod
http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

So yeah, that DOES prove my point that a Supermsan who just woke up from a Galactus level being's blast then gets sucker blasted while fighting a top tier is not at 100%. Thanks, son.

Lmao, make up your damn mind. You and the writer said that they where at the full power, meaning they at their 100% best. If the writer intended them to be at their peak, then you have nothing more to say but bullshit and speculation.

Originally posted by panthergod
Hey, kid, I know you don't read the actual comics, but as of Infinite Crisis, Pre-Crisis Legion and JLA ARE canon to Superman. a good amount of his previously non canon pre-crisis history has been referenced again post-IC. just like Batman, Wonder Woman, Doom Patrol and other, Pre-Crisis

If you DARE to cite irrelevant pre ciris possible futures, then Superman proven past, where he was moving planets, time traveling, smashing dimensional barriers, and more as a kid are still canon as well. Difference of course being, that what I'm actually right.

But how does that change his power? Your not making any damn sense. We can't say Superman is at that powerlevel, because KNOW FOR SURE, that Coie retconned his character. When ever a character "references" an event similar to one in the Crisis, DOESN'T mean it's still canon upon the character. And Gds wasn't a "possible future", it actually took place in pre-crisis era. If you don't know shit about the space time continuum, then don't try to argue over it you'll put your foot in your mouth.

Originally posted by panthergod
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where?

you making up bullshit fan fiction and passing them as fact doesn't fly with me, kid.

😆
Now this is funny, you come here and talk shit like you know everything, yet you haven't heard of Ds's pantheon slaughtering feat.

Originally posted by panthergod
Sure we saw a good amount of that potential when he was ripping anf falling on his face like a fool.

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seriously, though that's a BS coppout.

the fact is he HASN'T done any of those feats, and anyways, they are FAR from the entirety of his showings. the current Superman is his proven superior in physical combat, and the pre-crisis Superman demolishes him.

How the fukc is it a copout? He did peform those feats in a pc timeline and temporal changes doesn't screw with ones abilities. Deny it all you want, but the New Gods contiuum was sheilded from the Crisis and if you used your brains, then you understand that any feat should be canon upon them.

Originally posted by panthergod
The fact that Superman is operating at a higher powerlevel than he was during the Byrne era is a fact, non speculation, son.
Of course it would be non speculation to you, because your a delusional Superman fanboy, that wanks his abilities.

Originally posted by panthergod
Irrelevant semantics.

Superman got more powerful BY accessing his hidden, true full power. He could do things that he could not do previously, he got more powerful, period. the fact that he happened due to him tapping into his internal, suppressed powerlevels is besides the point.

😂 😆 😂

How is it irrelevent? It's EXACTLY what your saying, difference is your using this to wank Superman, I'm using it to show that he holds back his true power. When you tap into your inner self, you unleashing more of what you trully are. He didn't surpass his baseline, because he's REACHING IT.

Originally posted by panthergod
Except that he is--PERIOD.. he withstands the omega effect, deflects it, and punches Darkseid's eyeknobs in.

Superman is just that damned powerful.

Pis bullshit, I want to see Superman whoop the shit out of Secret, Firestorm and Orion, Takion, Eclipso, and Agogg. Until then, Superman's feats are bullshit that contradicts past history.

Originally posted by panthergod No, he's just capable of tearing apart Imperiex Probes, stalemating Kal-L, one shotting Despero, shattering an alternate Diana's Aegis Bracelets, etcetcetc.
And all of that shit is comparable to Ds's high showings. 🙄 Of course it is to you, because Superman "iz teh greytest" in your eyes.

Originally posted by panthergod Darksied's more powerful all around than the current Superman but he is not physically superior.

And the pre-Crisis Superman destroys him.

One correction, Ds is FAR MORE powerful all around then Superman. We can't say for sure if Supes is physically superior to Seid, because in the Stories where he punked him h2h, had Ds at a MUCH lower level. All we saw him do was shoot the Oe and brawl.

Originally posted by nvrbeenarealman
And yet you are the one who declined my invitation to beat your ass.

Like I keep saying, degenerate, keep your fantasies limited to your imaginary boyfriend Darkseid.

I guess you dont' want to get beat the **** up by someone you say has never been a real man.

Son, your fan fiction fantasies of you being anything mroe than a pathetic loser who wanks off to Darkseid's miniskirt have you getting it twisted, kid.

as usual, here and in real life, you are a clown.


You are apunk behind a computer. I'm a ghetto nigga with a good job and I'd beat your ass up and down the street.

your a fake ass ghetto joke, who people laugh at, you fake e-thug dl chump.

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you're not fooling anyone, poser.

look at you, getting mad because your imaginary boyfriend Darksei'd honor has been challenged. what a clown.


Anyway, Superman has never been good with Despero. We also know that Despero's power fluxuates depending on whom he's inhabiting.


And Sorry to disappoint, It was an alternate universe, so we have no idea if there is a shield of zeus there or where the lasso came from.

More lies.

the mainstream DCU present was altered. that was the whole point of the story.

Her weapons have nothing to dow ith the outside world. she was thmysciras representativem she had the lasso, bracelets, the works.

Superman has also come close to breaking the bracelets--according to Diana-- in the normal timeline, dring las laugh.


obviously it's not the same one's diana has. Becuz hers deflect the power of the greek pantheon. Superman would be pwned from a blast like that. [/B]

uh-huh.

Superman smashed the bracelets.

Next.

Originally posted by starking
Your wasting your time with posting these scans. He said he's stronger than before and he blasted Cyborg into hell. But the fact that he had trouble with Cyborg in the first place, EVEN WHEN CUTTING LOSE, keeps me from believing he's not on Ds's level. Since you like to display pictures, I figured I would do the same.

Guess who got his shit blown to kingdom come, basically curbstomped by a single blast, where in areas Superman cutting lose couldn't do the same with a weaker version of Henshaw.

good job, you proved that Darkseid was more powerful than Suprman in Hunter Prey--Good for you, Superman is again more powerful now, as Darkseid himself stated and as Suprman proved by withstanding the full Omega Effect and deflecting it.


Nah I didn't know that, despite saying "earlier on in that story'', as in me bringing up a different instance, to make a comparison.

Lmao, make up your damn mind. You and the writer said that they where at the full power, meaning they at their 100% best. If the writer intended them to be at their peak, then you have nothing more to say but bullshit and speculation.


Hey, dumb****, CASEY WROTE THE SECOND FIGHT.

That means that according to him Superman vs Darksied at full power is a stalemate. the one that Darkised won, which was before hand, was a Superman who had just woken up from a Galactus level blast, and was blated from behind. If you think that that was a full powered Superman there, then you are even mroe a delusional Darkseid worshipper than I thought.


But how does that change his power? Your not making any damn sense. We can't say Superman is at that powerlevel, because KNOW FOR SURE, that Coie retconned his character. When ever a character "references" an event similar to one in the Crisis, DOESN'T mean it's still canon upon the character.

Uh, hey, Infinite Crisis UNDID that.

currently pre-Crisis Legion continuity is canon. Therefore, all the feats done there are canon for Superman, who already experienced them. Darkseid, OTOH, has not. It is still a POTENTIAL future for him.


And Gds wasn't a "possible future", it actually took place in pre-crisis era. If you don't know shit about the space time continuum, then don't try to argue over it you'll put your foot in your mouth.

ALL futures, are possible futures, fool. there was also the Kamandi future and others which were potential timelines. Superman himself stated that his memories of what hapened in the future with the Legion always changed with certain adventures because the future was always changing due to the nature of time travel.

Again, actually reading the comics can do wonders, son.


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Now this is funny, you come here and talk shit like you know everything, yet you haven't heard of Ds's pantheon slaughtering feat.

I know everything about that BS irrelevant feat. you cannot prove that ANY of those 'gods' were anywhere near a skyfather like Odin, Zeus, Ares...none of them there is ZERO knowledge of their power level, and Darkseid was only shown killing ONE of them on his own. he used prep time, tech and his armies to conquer those other pantheons as well.

This feat is IRRELEVANT, and unquantifiable.

For all you know they were Hercules level and nothing mroe.


How the fukc is it a copout? He did peform those feats in a pc timeline and temporal changes doesn't screw with ones abilities. Deny it all you want, but the New Gods contiuum was sheilded from the Crisis and if you used your brains, then you understand that any feat should be canon upon them.

Except not, becasue the current Darkseid has NOT ever encountered the Legion for the GDS saga. Period. you know nothing about what will happen between now and when he goes into hibernation and later wakes up in the 30th century.

Either way, go ahead and use those feats, I'll have no problem citing pre-crisis feats for Superman from now on since you want to do this.

Wow... this thread is full of hypocrites... imagine that.

Originally posted by panthergod
Like I keep saying, degenerate, keep your fantasies limited to your imaginary boyfriend Darkseid.

Son, your fan fiction fantasies of you being anything mroe than a pathetic loser who wanks off to Darkseid's miniskirt have you getting it twisted, kid.

as usual, here and in real life, you are a clown.

your a fake ass ghetto joke, who people laugh at, you fake e-thug dl chump.

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you're not fooling anyone, poser.

look at you, getting mad because your imaginary boyfriend Darksei'd honor has been challenged. what a clown.

More lies.

the mainstream DCU present was altered. that was the whole point of the story.

Her weapons have nothing to dow ith the outside world. she was thmysciras representativem she had the lasso, bracelets, the works.

Superman has also come close to breaking the bracelets--according to Diana-- in the normal timeline, dring las laugh.

uh-huh.

Superman smashed the bracelets.

Next.


all your post is shitty. We are talking abotu the shield of aegis.NOT the bracelets. When the bracelets CROSS they become absolutely indestructible. ALl that crap about lies is silly. you are a punk. I state my opinion and you say they are lies. YOu are a punk debator, you lack skill and you call lies when someone has an opinion. You are a weak laughable debator. That is why no one likes you. You are pathetic. You dont even know your comic lore. The shield of Aegis only becomes indestructible absolutely when cross. And If anything is changed in a timeline, then it's not the same time line and we don't know what else was changed. We know that Diana in his timeline has blocked Superman's punches. You realize no one takes you seriously? You are an ass. Your opinion sucks. And you are a punk. ANd that is truly pathetic if a queer calls you a punk.. Yo which you are.

Originally posted by starking
Of course it would be non speculation to you, because your a delusional Superman fanboy, that wanks his abilities.

Acknowledging Superman proven feats an ability would be strange to a guy who fantasies burying his face underneath Darksied's leather skirt. You'll have to fight with your frind nvrbeenarealman, tho, He'll f*ck anyone up that tries to steal his man. :laughs:


How is it irrelevent? It's EXACTLY what your saying, difference is your using this to wank Superman, I'm using it to show that he holds back his true power. When you tap into your inner self, you unleashing more of what you trully are. He didn't surpass his baseline, because he's REACHING IT.

Actually, son his baseline is his standard level of powers he is at on a regular basis. that is his baseline.

When I say that he gets more powerful I'm saying that he is at a high level than he nornally operates at due to supressing his power.

This is a bullshit semantics argument, nothing more, and in fact YOU are giving Superman more props than I am right now. Not every writers writes him as being able to access that level of power. some jsut write him as a conventional class 100m top tier. balancing that portrayal with the one with a dynamic holding back factor means that Superman is normally a conventional top tier, and can tap into his higher levels when sufficiently motivated to bypass his subconscious holding back mechanism.

either way, it the SAME SHIT, idiot.


Pis bullshit, I want to see Superman whoop the shit out of Secret, Firestorm and Orion, Takion, Eclipso, and Agogg. Until then, Superman's feats are bullshit that contradicts past history.

Not really, since NONE of those feats have anything to do with physical power.

fool.


And all of that shit is comparable to Ds's high showings. 🙄 Of course it is to you, because Superman "iz teh greytest" in your eyes.

For physical stats?

name feats comparable for Darkseid.

No one said that Superman was as powerful as Darkseid, IDIOT. the point is that he's physically superior in combat when he cuts loose.

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One correction, Ds is FAR MORE powerful all around then Superman.

Thats not a correction.

THAT'S MY ARGUMENT.


We can't say for sure if Supes is physically superior to Seid, because in the Stories where he punked him h2h, had Ds at a MUCH lower level. All we saw him do was shoot the Oe and brawl.

Actually, you have ZERO proof for this claim.

Shit the fact that Darkised has had long fights against a guy who later stalemated the Earth-2 Superman is a testament to his beyond conventional top tier strength.

This was not a standard Superman, who stalemates Captain Marvel, etc. this was a Superman who stalemates pre-crisis Kryptonians and in the process smashes planets and warps space/time. the highest end most uber portrayals of Superman is in the same league a Darkseid physically.