Pre-Crisis Superman v. Darkseid

Originally posted by panthergod
good job, you proved that Darkseid was more powerful than Suprman in Hunter Prey--Good for you, Superman is again more powerful now, as Darkseid himself stated and as Suprman proved by withstanding the full Omega Effect and deflecting it.

Originally posted by panthergod
Hey, dumb****, CASEY WROTE THE SECOND FIGHT.

That means that according to him Superman vs Darksied at full power is a stalemate. the one that Darkised won, which was before hand, was a Superman who had just woken up from a Galactus level blast, and was blated from behind. If you think that that was a full powered Superman there, then you are even mroe a delusional Darkseid worshipper than I thought.

"JOE CASEY: When I pit Superman and Darkseid against each other, I'm picturing both of them in top-form, going at each other 100%. That's the only way to do it."

Seems like someone has reading comprehension problems.

Originally posted by panthergod Uh, hey, Infinite Crisis UNDID that.

currently pre-Crisis Legion continuity is canon. Therefore, all the feats done there are canon for Superman, who already experienced them. Darkseid, OTOH, has not. It is still a POTENTIAL future for him.

Originally posted by panthergod ALL futures, are possible futures, fool. there was also the Kamandi future and others which were potential timelines. Superman himself stated that his memories of what hapened in the future with the Legion always changed with certain adventures because the future was always changing due to the nature of time travel.

Originally posted by panthergod Again, actually reading the comics can do wonders, son.

Originally posted by panthergod I know everything about that BS irrelevant feat. you cannot prove that ANY of those 'gods' were anywhere near a skyfather like Odin, Zeus, Ares...none of them there is ZERO knowledge of their power level, and Darkseid was only shown killing ONE of them on his own. he used prep time, tech and his armies to conquer those other pantheons as well.

This feat is IRRELEVANT, and unquantifiable.

For all you know they were Hercules level and nothing mroe.

Yeah, having the ability to snatch another's power, would be irrelevent in a fight. So we can't use Surfer cyponing Gamma radiation from the Hulk, as an example in a versus match. 🙄

Originally posted by panthergod Except not, becasue the current Darkseid has NOT ever encountered the Legion for the GDS saga. Period. you know nothing about what will happen between now and when he goes into hibernation and later wakes up in the 30th century.

Either way, go ahead and use those feats, I'll have no problem citing pre-crisis feats for Superman from now on since you want to do this.

Originally posted by panthergod
Acknowledging Superman proven feats an ability would be strange to a guy who fantasies burying his face underneath Darksied's leather skirt. You'll have to fight with your frind nvrbeenarealman, tho, He'll f*ck anyone up that tries to steal his man. :laughs:

Originally posted by panthergod Actually, son his baseline is his standard level of powers he is at on a regular basis. that is his baseline.

When I say that he gets more powerful I'm saying that he is at a high level than he nornally operates at due to supressing his power.

This is a bullshit semantics argument, nothing more, and in fact YOU are giving Superman more props than I am right now. Not every writers writes him as being able to access that level of power. some jsut write him as a conventional class 100m top tier. balancing that portrayal with the one with a dynamic holding back factor means that Superman is normally a conventional top tier, and can tap into his higher levels when sufficiently motivated to bypass his subconscious holding back mechanism.

Originally posted by panthergod either way, it the SAME SHIT, idiot.

Originally posted by panthergod Not really, since NONE of those feats have anything to do with physical power.

fool.

Originally posted by panthergod For physical stats?

name feats comparable for Darkseid.

No one said that Superman was as powerful as Darkseid, IDIOT. the point is that he's physically superior in combat when he cuts loose.

Originally posted by panthergod Thats not a correction.

THAT'S MY ARGUMENT.

Originally posted by panthergod Actually, you have ZERO proof for this claim.

Shit the fact that Darkised has had long fights against a guy who later stalemated the Earth-2 Superman is a testament to his beyond conventional top tier strength.

This was not a standard Superman, who stalemates Captain Marvel, etc. this was a Superman who stalemates pre-crisis Kryptonians and in the process smashes planets and warps space/time. the highest end most uber portrayals of Superman is in the same league a Darkseid physically.

Originally posted by starking
Reported for bashing. You continue to do this and that's how I'll respond.

Such a brave forum if this member is anything to go by!!!!!

Originally posted by Grodd
Such a brave forum if this member is anything to go by!!!!!

It's not readily apparent (since I gather you're new), but Panthergod and Quanchi are idiots. 😛 And this thread is spite in favor of Darkseid.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's not readily apparent (since I gather you're new), but Panthergod and Quanchi are idiots. 😛 And this thread is spite in favor of Darkseid.

I see, but why report someone, surely that's admission that you are a wuss or have no comeabcks isn't it?

Originally posted by Grodd
I see, but why report someone, surely that's admission that you are a wuss or have no comeabcks isn't it?

Because Panthergod is a dick who should have been banned awhile ago. He's 'Jellyrobes' a refuge from SHC who was disgraced there. Hell, the man was mocking the pink ribbons people are wearing. 👇 (We're wearing them because one of our members just beat Breast Cancer and we're showing support.)

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Because Panthergod is a dick who should have been banned awhile ago. He's 'Jellyrobes' a refuge from SHC who was disgraced there. Hell, the man was mocking the pink ribbons people are wearing. 👇 (We're wearing them because one of our members just beat Breast Cancer and we're showing support.)

Whilst I respect your support for your friend. Why care who he is? It seems weird to me! This forum and Superhero chat are not very knowledgable comics foums anyway. The members are to young and rely on hearsay and scans out of context. Which breaks copyright anyway!

Darkseid isn't depowered; he just jobs a lot.

Thanos is something like what Darkseid would be if he didn't job.

Darkseid seems to have the 'Thor-virus,' which prevents him from being written using his powers as best he can.

Maybe I should call it the 'Darkseid-virus' instead.

Pre-crisis Supes should be elimidated from debate. Not because he's "too darn powerful," but because he's inconsistent. Sure, he's "closed" black holes, "super-sneezed" away a solar system, and done other ridiculous (not in the 'impressive' sense of the word, more along the lines of 'foolish on behalf of the writers'😉, but does that mean he would beat Darkseid? or Thanos?

I think not. Both have been in battles against people that can do what Pre-crisis Supes has done (consistently, and in a much more logical sense, of course), and more.

So no, PC Supes doesn't curbstomp Darkseid.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's not readily apparent (since I gather you're new), but Panthergod and Quanchi are idiots. 😛 And this thread is spite in favor of Darkseid.

Originally posted by starking
Yes he was more powerful than Superman and HE SHOULD ALWAYS BE. If you compare Ds's high showings to Superman's, then you would realize their not comparable. Hell, I wouldn't give current Supes a majority over Thanos.

Oh how mature, you start your post out by calling me a dumbass. 🙄 Now it's time to eat your words, if the writer said the they were both at full power, then how can you turn around and say Supes wasn't? Typical quality of a hypocrite. Yes I read that article and he that implied BOTH where at their full strength.

"JOE CASEY: When I pit Superman and Darkseid against each other, I'm picturing both of them in top-form, going at each other 100%. That's the only way to do it."

Seems like someone has reading comprehension problems.

So Ic only brought back the Losh continuity and it didn't unretcon Superman completely? Great then, that strengthens my point.

Nope, that's not how the space time continuum works. If an event existed, then it DID HAPPEN, but those who were effected by the change, will not realize it. Time works by RESHAPING what already existed. You can tune up a car, but can you say it never was different, prior to the change?

So can not being an ass.

First of all, the actual feat was PERFORMED with his own power. There was other evidence that suggested he needed tech to perform the feat. And after absorbing all of that power, 5 skyfathers had to unite just to stop him.

Yeah, having the ability to snatch another's power, would be irrelevent in a fight. So we can't use Surfer cyponing Gamma radiation from the Hulk, as an example in a versus match. 🙄

Technically, HE DID encounter the Losh. But due to time altering his memories, he'll never know it happened. Like I said earlier, time only reshapes what already existed and pc Ds and current Ds, are one in the same. Anyone who thinks temporal retcons spontaneously change character's feats, needs to study the space time continuum.

Originally posted by quanchi112
read apokolips now. see what happens to darkseid in a straight up fight. its a one on one duel. two men enter and superman leaves victorious while darkseid leaves humiliated. good read i might add. moral of the story for darkseid, dont fight superman when his friend is on the line.

Because we all know that's the best example of a Darkseid and Superman fight. 😐

I think you bring it up in half your posts....

It was a ridiculous fight that just screamed 'Superman wanking'.

Superman "blinded" Darkseid, and deflected his Omega Beam with his Heat Vision...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Superman "blinded" Darkseid, and deflected his Omega Beam with his Heat Vision...

That was disappointing.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Because we all know that's the best example of a Darkseid and Superman fight. 😐

I think you bring it up in half your posts....

It was a ridiculous fight that just screamed 'Superman wanking'.

Superman "blinded" Darkseid, and deflected his Omega Beam with his Heat Vision...

Originally posted by quanchi112
alright we are going to settle this time space thing once and for all here and now. ok u have seen back to the future right. look atbiff at the beginning of the first movie. bossing geroge mcfly around. at the end after his son changed things thorugh time travel he was waxing geroge mcfly's car. same person but completely different. the both had two different mindsets. events changed who biff besame. so until something happens it doesnt count as a feat until its present or past tense. geroge was the same character but one event at the school dance changed who he became. ds wont become gds darkseid until he has become it. 😉

Originally posted by starking
Nah really? Thanks for the analysis, but when Ds performed those feats, he was ALOT weaker. So tell me how that would make the showing irrelevent? Unless Seid was supposed to be stronger than his younger self, then would be correct. In the example you gave us, Biff was punking George around and had authority over him. When Marty changed the course of time, he did the EXACT opposite to Biff, than a time wipe would do to Ds. He made him weaker in that he had no power over the Mcfly's and instead he was their slave *****. 😆

when marty changed biff. i shows u what marty is capable and how submissive biff can be. they are the same people in the same universe, but until it happened in real time u cant count biff as a wimp until he becomes one. 💃

get off this thing where they say ds wasnt as powerful as he was in the past. he stole powers and altered his own. maybe he isnt as young and virile. but another reason u cant count these feats is becuz ds doesnt have the wisdom of his future self either yet. it hasnt happened and doesnt count unless u take the 30th century ds who experienced this. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
this shows u that darkseid was different in the future. he was off stealing powers. he wasnt the exact same. thats the whole point. he doesnt have the feast until he performs them. hes capable of the feats. but as each event can change literally ur whole charcater ds cannot count these feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
when marty changed biff. i shows u what marty is capable and how submissive biff can be. they are the same people in the same universe, but until it happened in real time u cant count biff as a wimp until he becomes one. 💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
get off this thing where they say ds wasnt as powerful as he was in the past. he stole powers and altered his own. maybe he isnt as young and virile. but another reason u cant count these feats is becuz ds doesnt have the wisdom of his future self either yet. it hasnt happened and doesnt count unless u take the 30th century ds who experienced this. 😉

Originally posted by starking
I've saying this shit forever, but now you've finally learned to comprehend it. The problem is, your misusing the knowledge. We only knew Ds took those character's powers, to RESTORE what he lost. Unless one can show some context where Ds states he's just giving himself a power boast, then your point is speculation and nothing more.

Seriously, what the hell does this have to do, with anything? All I have to say, is the samething I've been saying, Ds in the Gds was ALOT weaker than his older self. Meaning prior to that timeline, he had to be superior to that version.

There you go with taking other people's arguments. Tazer and Darthgoober, where the ones to say this first and it's never good to cosign with someone, who is incorrect. Think about that whenever you do it. Wisdom? How the hell do you know this? He didn't seem much intelligent, than how we normally see him.

how can u think ds is no more smarter than his younger self. any being who is older should be wiser. unless u think experience doesnt help darkseid out at all. i guess darkseid doesnt learn new things and will always be the same. bottom line is u cant count a feat until chararcter performs it. until the 30 th century comes ds feats in that story doesnt count. we will leave it at that.

bump

Darkseid gets raped. He cant beat current Superman.

Current darkseid.
This is spite.