Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And Apokolips Now isn't even close to how any Darkseid/Superman fights are depicted....
you also forgot to mention that Superman has just woken up from surviving IMPERIEX's blast.
These Darkseid worshippers make me sick.
Originally posted by panthergodnice corrections. its funny how people post half the fights. 😆
Hey id, you missed the first page, where Darkised blasted Superman from behind.you also forgot to mention that Superman has just woken up from surviving IMPERIEX's blast.
These Darkseid worshippers make me sick.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The ONLY reasons why Darkseid didn't waste Superman during OWAW was two-fold. 1. He expended alot of power using the OE to boost Superman so that Supes could take down Imperiex. 2. He needed Superman at the time.
you kids need to cease with this BS.
Darkised was at full power during thier secind fght. and he FAILED to kill Superman with the FUL power of the Omega Effect.
And yes, Darkseid CAN one-shot Superman. Unless you believe the OE works on everyone else, takes out guys stronger than Superman (including Validus, Infinity Man, etc), but for some reason Superman is either unaffected (Bullshit since he's gotten burned being near the OE blasts) or he can stop it with heat-vision. 👇
That's simply a testament to Superman increased power, as Darkised himself stated in Apokolips Now.
Superman is much more powerful now thna he was in Hunter/prey
And Pre-Crisis Superman destroys Darkseid, with ease.
Originally posted by panthergodSo how can you be that weak, when you awake from being knocked out? Unless you can show some context that says so, then your being your typical arrogant self. When you come here, can you atleast be respectful towards someone and not call them a liar?
Hey id, you missed the first page, where Darkised blasted Superman from behind.you also forgot to mention that Superman has just woken up from surviving IMPERIEX's blast.
These Darkseid worshippers make me sick.
Originally posted by starking
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instances of Darkised teleporting and hurting an INFERIOR Superman to the present version, choosing to teleport Superboy away rather than fight him(which is PIS since Superboy can return INSTANTLY from battlefield removal), an out of continuity trash where Darkised was beaten up and mugged by human thugs, and another instance of a weak version of Superman--who later beat Darkseid's ass-getting driven into the ground.
Wow.
Pre-Crisi Superman destroys Darised with complete ease, 8-9/10.
Originally posted by panthergodStfu with that "weaker Superman" bullshit. PROVE that Superman was supposed to be inferior in those incarnations, as in display him making such a statement. If you can't then your speculating, because the best explanation for Supes high showings, is pis. If you don't like that rule, then creep back into the shit holes of Shc. Btw Panther, the teleportation beams and the Oe are the SAMETHING, meaning him not being able to use them on Supes more recently, is nothing but crap writing.
Cool!instances of Darkised teleporting and hurting an INFERIOR Superman to the present version, choosing to teleport Superboy away rather than fight him(which is PIS since Superboy can return INSTANTLY from battlefield removal), an out of continuity trash where Darkised was beaten up and mugged by human thugs, and another instance of a weak version of Superman--who later beat Darkseid's ass-getting driven into the ground.
Wow.
Pre-Crisi Superman destroys Darised with complete ease, 8-9/10.
Originally posted by starking
So how can you be that weak, when you awake from being knocked out?
WTF?
when you wake up from being blasted by a universe-destroying cosmic being you tend not to at at your very best.
Unless you can show some context that says so, then your being your typical arrogant self.
the fact that Darkised failed to dent a full powered Superman later on in that same story proves the fact that he wasnt at his best when blatsed from behind after recovering from a galactus level attack.
All it takes is common sense and the ablilty to tear down that Darkseid altar you have set up in your mind.
When you come here, can you atleast be respectful towards someone and not call them a liar?
Darkseid has never, EVER, defeated the Pre-Crisis Superman in a fight.
Not even once.
Originally posted by starking
Stfu with that "weaker Superman" bullshit.
PROVE that Superman was supposed to be inferior in those incarnations, as in display him making such a statement.
Then read OWAW where he displays the abililty to access far higher powerlevels than he ahd ever displayed before by cuting looseagainst the Imperiex Probes. later on under the same writer he goes all out against Darkised and withstands the FULL OE in stride.
Then read Apokolips Now, where Darkseid himself specifically states that Superman is more powerful than ever--and Superman subsequently proves it by deflecting the Omega Effect and punching his eyes shut.
Then read the OYL up up and away storyline by Busiek and Johns where he learns that he was subconsiously suppressing his powers with his mind for an entire year and when he gets them back he subsequently he gains superintelligence and his Heat Vision is more powerful than ever.
All it takes is actual knowlegde of these characters, son.
If you can't then your speculating, because the best explanation for Supes high showings, is pis. If you don't like that rule, then creep back into the shit holes of Shc. Btw Panther, the teleportation beams and the Oe are the SAMETHING, meaning him not being able to use them on Supes more recently, is nothing but crap writing. [/B]
Or proof that Superman's powerlevel is steadily increasing and fluctuate due to his mental state more and more, like the comics actual state and show.
Originally posted by panthergodBut he was merely knocked out and there was NOTHING that suggested he was in a weakened state. I'm very sure these kind of instances happen all the time in comics.
WTF?when you wake up from being blasted by a universe-destroying cosmic being you tend not to at at your very best.
Originally posted by panthergodBULLSHIT! Supes was swatted away during their first confrontation in that story, by the Oe, yet when he faced Ds head on, he resisted it like it was nothing. Meaning either Ds wasn't at his peak at the time, or Supes wasn't as weak as you make him out to be.
You mean, common sense, which says that a Superman who is recovering from a glaactus level blast probably isn't at his very best.the fact that Darkised failed to dent a full powered Superman later on in
that same story proves the fact that he wasnt at his best when blatsed from behind after recovering from a galactus level attack.All it takes is common sense and the ablilty to tear down that Darkseid altar you have set up in your mind.
Originally posted by panthergodSo to you someone is lying when they have their info wrong? In that case, whenever someone answers a question wrong, their a liar. That makes so much sense, doesn't it? Not only that, but Ds has beaten Monel, and Superboy and Supergirl POWERED UP at the same time in Gds. And as you know, that stories canon to him.
That would require them to not be lying.Darkseid has never, EVER, defeated the Pre-Crisis Superman in a fight
Not even once.
Originally posted by panthergod👆
the truth always seems like 'bullshit' to ignorant fools.Try reading Superman 152, where Superman gets an explicit power up by accessing a portion of his normally suppresed full power.
Then read OWAW where he displays the abililty to access far higher powerlevels than he ahd ever displayed before by cuting looseagainst the Imperiex Probes. later on under the same writer he goes all out against Darkised and withstands the FULL OE in stride.
Then read Apokolips Now, where Darkseid himself specifically states that Superman is more powerful than ever--and Superman subsequently proves it by deflecting the Omega Effect and punching his eyes shut.
Then read the OYL up up and away storyline by Busiek and Johns where he learns that he was subconsiously suppressing his powers with his mind for an entire year and when he gets them back he subsequently he gains superintelligence and his Heat Vision is more powerful than ever.
All it takes is actual knowlegde of these characters, son.
Or proof that Superman's powerlevel is steadily increasing and fluctuate due to his mental state more and more, like the comics actual state and show.
Originally posted by starkinggds darkseid is different than the current darkseid. has he stolen mordru's powers yet, nope!
But he was merely knocked out and there was NOTHING that suggested he was in a weakened state. I'm very sure these kind of instances happen all the time in comics.BULLSHIT! Supes was swatted away during their first confrontation in that story, by the Oe, yet when he faced Ds head on, he resisted it like it was nothing. Meaning either Ds wasn't at his peak at the time, or Supes wasn't as weak as you make him out to be.
So to you someone is lying when they have their info wrong? In that case, whenever someone answers a question wrong, their a liar. That makes so much sense, doesn't it? Not only that, but Ds has beaten Monel, and Superboy and Supergirl POWERED UP at the same time in Gds. And as you know, that stories canon to him.
Originally posted by panthergodOf course it does, but your not telling the truth in this instance YOU SPECULATING.
the truth always seems like 'bullshit' to ignorant fools.
Originally posted by panthergodI was wrong, your not speculating your MISINTERPRETATING. In all of those instances, he only stated how he cuts lose, not how his power increased. Holding back and gaining more power, ARE TWO different things.
Try reading Superman 152, where Superman gets an explicit power up by accessing a portion of his normally suppresed full power.Then read OWAW where he displays the abililty to access far higher powerlevels than he ahd ever displayed before by cuting looseagainst the Imperiex Probes. later on under the same writer he goes all out against Darkised and withstands the FULL OE in stride.
Then read Apokolips Now, where Darkseid himself specifically states that Superman is more powerful than ever--and Superman subsequently proves it by deflecting the Omega Effect and punching his eyes shut.
Then read the OYL up up and away storyline by Busiek and Johns where he learns that he was subconsiously suppressing his powers with his mind for an entire year and when he gets them back he subsequently he gains superintelligence and his Heat Vision is more powerful than ever.
All it takes is actual knowlegde of these characters, son.
Originally posted by panthergodHow about proof that your a rabid Superman fanboy, that shoves his crap down other's throats. He didn't say SHIT about his power increasing, all said was that he used power than he does normally.
Or proof that Superman's powerlevel is steadily increasing and fluctuate due to his mental state more and more, like the comics actual state and show.
Originally posted by starking
But he was merely knocked out and there was NOTHING that suggested he was in a weakened state. I'm very sure these kind of instances happen all the time in comics.
Superman was not at 100% there.
BULLSHIT! Supes was swatted away during their first confrontation in that story, by the Oe, yet when he faced Ds head on, he resisted it like it was nothing. Meaning either Ds wasn't at his peak at the time, or Supes wasn't as weak as you make him out to be.
Whe Darkised stalemated Supes later on they were both specfically stated to be at full power by the writer.
So to you someone is lying when they have their info wrong? In that case, whenever someone answers a question wrong, their a liar. That makes so much sense, doesn't it? Not only that, but Ds has beaten Monel, and Superboy and Supergirl POWERED UP at the same time in Gds. And as you know, that stories canon to him.
Otherwise, I WILL use Pre-Crisis feats for the current Superman, sincepost-IC he has his pre-Crisis Legion and JLA continuity.
Originally posted by starkingmajority said that stuff doesnt count in here. it doesnt. if u become an nfl linebacker in the futire do i count that now. are u the same person now as u are ten years in the future no. this is comon sense until u actually do it u dont have the feats. only gds darkseid has these feats.
Stfu, I've already shot you down on that.
Originally posted by starking
Of course it does, but your not telling the truth in this instance YOU SPECULATING.
I was wrong, your not speculating your MISINTERPRETATING. In all of those instances, he only stated how he cuts lose, not how his power increased. Holding back and gaining more power, ARE TWO different things.
Just as Wally West was weaker when he limited hmself to the speed of sound after the Crisis when he always had the abililty to access the speed force, Superman normally is supressing his full powerlevel according to those showings. when he access his full power he is on a whole 'nother level capable fo stalemating/defeating Darkised, stalemating kal-l, trashing Imperiex Probes,etc.
How about proof that your a rabid Superman fanboy, that shoves his crap down other's throats. He didn't say SHIT about his power increasing, all said was that he used power than he does normally.
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For Superman, similar to Gladiator, his access to his internal power is dependant upon his mental state. When he cuts loose, he can reach a higher level of power than he normally displays and is portrayed with. The potential for that power is always there, but he rarely accesses it all.
Regardless, Superman is more powerful post '99 mongul training where he first learned to access higher levels.
