He's just like other people who have accused me of being someone named Violent2Dope
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10332009&highlight=sock+userid%3A90732#post10332009
Such shameless accusations are tiresome.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆Sure you don't. You've done nothing but demonstrate a complete lack of common sense when it comes to any fights with Kain, especially fight in which he'd get his ass kicked. All of the justifications you've tried to use are pure gameplay elements, they don't exist in the story, and even if they did they wouldn't work on Kain's opponents because they only work on basic enemies.
Man, you sure have trouble comprehending logic, sport.
you dont and cant debate, shooo
I dont use gameplay elements, they dont work on bosses, balance, gameplay element, you fail....like in every thread youve posted in so far, you must be a very bored person to just get pwned on this site all the time and posting dribble
Originally posted by Burning thought
its not tougher opponents tho thats the problem, their just bosses, balance etc, gameplay, Pyron has no soul protection, you fail because you think just because hes big it means hes harder to cast a spell on, rubbish, infact it would be easier going by logic
no it doesnt, Holy is energy, particles, for all you know all hes doing is stopping the tiny particles, if you mix two harmless liquids togther they can make a extremely powerful one, for all you know Sephiroth TKing it isnt difficult at all, theres no logic in that, infact its worse because if TK has TK close to that, whats he doing with a sword? whats he doing infact? hell he could just tear off a chunk off the world and fly around on it using simply his TK, it doesnt make sense at all and the logic stinks as well.
Sephiroth's sword isn't what makes him deadly, its his powers.. he used his sword in AC to melee with Cloud, he could've killed him with the negative lifestream, or TK, but as its been mentioned oh so many times, Sephiroth chose to fight Sephiroth with just melee, he chose to keep him alive to torment him as long as he could.
ive got no Kain fanboyism, its simply actual knowledge on Kain.....and not ignoring powers just because his opponent is large or else, but then maybe youve never seen anything small beat something big before? oh yes, sephiroth beats weapons does he not? you say yourself FF characters beat big mosnters. [/B]
He has the ability, its enough, you dont need to have a cutscene showing him doing it...
no, its not a feat, your logic is broken, simple...you cannot prove it was hard to hold just because its powerful, simple..the whole story would be broken if Sephiroth could TK like that, and the only evidence for it is your own delusional response to how powerful something is, TK is simply holding force, using physical force, Energy is not physical like TK is, and power of something does not determine difficult to hold
Just because he can be big means everything? not really, he could do it to humans , vamps, demons, the onyl things he couldnt do it to were, hey...humans WITH boss over the top of their head, your gameplay logic is broken, Pyron is not much more than a big bag of cosmic energy WITHOUT any soul protecting
Originally posted by Burning thought
He has the ability, its enough, you dont need to have a cutscene showing him doing it...
no, its not a feat, your logic is broken, simple...you cannot prove it was hard to hold just because its powerful, simple..the whole story would be broken if Sephiroth could TK like that, and the only evidence for it is your own delusional response to how powerful something is, TK is simply holding force, using physical force, Energy is not physical like TK is, and power of something does not determine difficult to hold
How would the whole story be broken? Throughout the game they say how powerful Sephiroths willpower is, even the creators say it.
Just because he can be big means everything? not really, he could do it to humans , vamps, demons, the onyl things he couldnt do it to were, hey...humans WITH boss over the top of their head, your gameplay logic is broken, Pyron is not much more than a big bag of cosmic energy WITHOUT any soul protecting [/B]
If spirit death can simply kill anyone, it would be his strongest spell, but is it? No, "Lightning" is.
I dont use gameplay element
Gameplay elements are the only thing you use, Jr. The gameplay element is the ability itself, not just the fact that it doesn't work on bosses. Face it, you don't use pure storyline because you know that without gameplay mechanic Kain is pathetic, and even with gameplay mechanics you have to pick and choose to try to give Kain an advantage. You're a hopeless fanboy. 😆
Originally posted by Terryc250
Actually the ability is optional, in the canon storyline he may not even have it, since he doesnt have it in any of the other games.Powerful energy powerful enough to destroy everything IS hard to hold, do you think a detonated Nuke would be hard to hold?
How would the whole story be broken? Throughout the game they say how powerful Sephiroths willpower is, even the creators say it.
Yeah the vamps and demons are not much stronger then the humans, Pyron is a planetary threat, something Kain cant even dream of becoming, he would literally flick Kain into nothing.
If spirit death can simply kill anyone, it would be his strongest spell, but is it? No, "Lightning" is.
Him not having it in other games does not mean he never had it, if he has it in one game its enough.
no its not, and your saying Sephiroth can hold a nuke blast now? lmao.....Holy is a ball of compact energy, simple, a Nuke is completly diffrent in the fact first its physical blast wave once it explodes fires out like a ring, then the imolating destruction, it comes out in waves, Holy is basically just the bomb before it goes off, its not exploding or anything or damaging anything if its being held by a non material force.
Vamps/demons are by far a worse threat than humans lol, have you even seen them?
Then again you say Sephiroth is planetary threat but he gets beaten on by an blonde emo with an oversized sword, go figuire, Pyron being a threat to a planet means nothing if someone can just rip out his soul, if Galactus had all his powers taken away but only had his power to manip souls (i think he has that) then he would still completly and utterly stomp Pyron who has nothing impressive he can do before being destroyed, infact hes just a physical being, someone uses some magic on him, especially something like soul detroying and he has no defense
who says that? lightning is the most powerful? it can kill anyone, it rips out your soul, obviously you dont understand what this could mean, although in LOK lightning is the most powerful technically because although soul rip takes your soul, Kain can only do it to one at a time, Kains lightning spell destroys all the enemies around kain with lightning that blasts all the enemies on the screen to pieces.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Gameplay elements are the only thing you use, Jr. The gameplay element is the ability itself, not just the fact that it doesn't work on bosses. Face it, you don't use pure storyline because you know that without gameplay mechanic Kain is pathetic, and even with gameplay mechanics you have to pick and choose to try to give Kain an advantage. You're a hopeless fanboy. 😆
the ability itself is not the mechanic, the ability is 100% viable, just like any ability in games
Originally posted by Burning thought Him not having it in other games does not mean he never had it, if he has it in one game its enough.
no its not, and your saying Sephiroth can hold a nuke blast now? lmao.....Holy is a ball of compact energy, simple, a Nuke is completly diffrent in the fact first its physical blast wave once it explodes fires out like a ring, then the imolating destruction, it comes out in waves, Holy is basically just the bomb before it goes off, its not exploding or anything or damaging anything if its being held by a non material force.
There is no energy when a nuke isn't detonated, the energy releases once it is detonated, Holy is pure destructive energy.
Vamps/demons are by far a worse threat than humans lol, have you even seen them?Then again you say Sephiroth is planetary threat but he gets beaten on by an blonde emo with an oversized sword, go figuire, Pyron being a threat to a planet means nothing if someone can just rip out his soul, if Galactus had all his powers taken away but only had his power to manip souls (i think he has that) then he would still completly and utterly stomp Pyron who has nothing impressive he can do before being destroyed, infact hes just a physical being, someone uses some magic on him, especially something like soul detroying and he has no defense
Too bad on a KMC battle, PIS isn't induced, therefore Kain gets a stomping from everyone.
who says that? lightning is the most powerful? it can kill anyone, it rips out your soul, obviously you dont understand what this could mean, although in LOK lightning is the most powerful technically because although soul rip takes your soul, Kain can only do it to one at a time, Kains lightning spell destroys all the enemies around kain with lightning that blasts all the enemies on the screen to pieces.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Its [b]optional its never stated if he actually gets the spell in the canon storyline, however; since he doesn't have it, cant use it, never mentions it in any of the other LOK games, its more then likely he didn't have it.Holy is not a "ball" of compact energy, its pure destructive energy that doesnt fade away like nuclear energy does, Holy is a giant wave of energy just as a detonated Nuke is, the only difference is Holy is able to be controlled and can have a target, whereas a nuke's energy just goes astray blasting in all directions.
There is no energy when a nuke isn't detonated, the energy releases once it is detonated, Holy is pure destructive energy.
Its called PIS, Galactus has lost to Thor while he was starving and weak, Sephiroth lost to Cloud when he didn't use any of his powers and toyed around(but still was capable of killing him)
Too bad on a KMC battle, PIS isn't induced, therefore Kain gets a stomping from everyone.
It just is, you've played the game you should know, again, show Kain ripping out a soul from someone even worthy of mentioning, then you can debate it working against higher tier opponents. [/B]
A lot of things are optional, that doesnt mean they dont excist, especialyl if their spells, half of Kratos' powers are optional, i can go through the game, miss out a few objects, miss out on all the upgrades and not get anything of high power, but hey....the abilities are debated, why? because its canon, you just dont seem to understand it. Unless ofc your saying if you debated Kratos you would say his abilites are not canon because he does not use them in cutscenes? damn..seems kratos just has his blades of Athena/chaos....
Its basically a ball, thats all it looks like to me of energy, sephiroth uses a force that cannot even "feel" the destructive power of the blast becaue hes doing it with his mind, just like any Tker could, hes not fighting destructive power by Tking it, he is simply containing it but its not comparable to a nuke blast which is diffrent.
No you miss the point, before its detonated the Nuke is not dangerous, Holy is not dangerous if its just being held by TK, its not using any power, and it cant damage anything with this power you say it has either, thus, its easy to TK.
re-read what i said, you lost the point
stomping by everyone except.....most of DS cast characters, DMC, many FF characters like Sephiroth, oh didnt you say he was the most powerful? damn...okie the FF universe is basically at Kains feet if Sephiroth is the best theyve got, did i miss anyone? prob he can take most enemies in gaming.
No you have to prove "higher tier" first, thats a fallacy right there because technically if Kains soul rip can just rip out your soul and the opponent just happens to be Pyron, and it kills him, then so much for his "higher tier" YOU and lovers of Pyron give him, your the one listing the tiers here not me, Kain is a higher tier by far to pyron because Kain can one hit him with spirit wrack or death....preferably wrack its faster in the fatc its not a projectile. You have to prove Pyron would be able to resist something that destroys your soul.
Originally posted by Burning thought
A lot of things are optional, that doesnt mean they dont excist, especialyl if their spells, half of Kratos' powers are optional, i can go through the game, miss out a few objects, miss out on all the upgrades and not get anything of high power, but hey....the abilities are debated, why? because its canon, you just dont seem to understand it. Unless ofc your saying if you debated Kratos you would say his abilites are not canon because he does not use them in cutscenes? damn..seems kratos just has his blades of Athena/chaos....
Its basically a ball, thats all it looks like to me of energy, sephiroth uses a force that cannot even "feel" the destructive power of the blast becaue hes doing it with his mind, just like any Tker could, hes not fighting destructive power by Tking it, he is simply containing it but its not comparable to a nuke blast which is diffrent.
No you miss the point, before its detonated the Nuke is not dangerous, Holy is not dangerous if its just being held by TK, its not using any power, and it cant damage anything with this power you say it has either, thus, its easy to TK.
stomping by everyone except.....most of DS cast characters, DMC, many FF characters like Sephiroth, oh didnt you say he was the most powerful? damn...okie the FF universe is basically at Kains feet if Sephiroth is the best theyve got, did i miss anyone? prob he can take most enemies in gaming.
No you have to prove "higher tier" first, thats a fallacy right there because technically if Kains soul rip can just rip out your soul and the opponent just happens to be Pyron, and it kills him, then so much for his "higher tier" YOU and lovers of Pyron give him, your the one listing the tiers here not me, Kain is a higher tier by far to pyron because Kain can one hit him with spirit wrack or death....preferably wrack its faster in the fatc its not a projectile. You have to prove Pyron would be able to resist something that destroys your soul. [/B]
Originally posted by Terryc250
I'm not saying everything optional is uncanon, for example: Cloud has a bunch of Limit breaks like blade beam, etc; they are infact optional, HOWEVER; in AC you clearly see him using it which means in the actual canon storyline Cloud DOES obtain it, but if theres an optional magic in game1, then in game2, game3, game4, and game5 that magic was unheard of again, and the character never displayed using it ever, chances are, that magic was uncanon to the story, and the character never really got the magic in the canon storyline.Its not a ball.. wtf are you mistaking it for meteor or something? Its a big WAVE of energy, it can be compared to the energy output of a nuke, both are powerful energies capable of severe destruction, Aeris summoned Holy in the forgotten capitol(basically like detonating the nuke), Sephiroth stopped the movement of Holy with his willpower, its a big feat. If he had weak willpower, Holy would have simply broke out of it like nothing; however like the statement by the creators themselves, Sephiroths willpower is EXTREMELY POWERFUL, theres nothing stronger, nothing above it.
... Kain is basically like a street leveler, the guy can't even fly.. he has to hop around and climb things to get places, to be honest, Wolverine would probably even beat him.
Umm.. Kain has only "ripped" out souls from common grunts, and thats just in gameplay, he's never done it in the canon storyline, to any opponents even worth mentioning, he's never even used it or is able to use it in LOK: SR , LOK: SR2 , BO2:LOK , or Defiance.
No theres no chances, thats the problem your inventing that rule yourself, chances are the developers just decided not to have the same abilities in every game and wanted players to try new ones, simple.
show me it again, i rememebr thinking of it as some kind of ball, not a blast like a nuke....
lol the guy cant even fly, he can float and teleport, thats all he needs to get places, Sephiroth takes boats and walks half the time, flying prob knocks him out completly, he prob needs a long sleep afterwards lol...
With what? wolverine is not the best example, he would knock cloud and Sephiroth with ease as well for the same reasons, prob is, Kain just soul destroys him.
no, your calling htem common grunts, thats your words not any games or official info, i could call Sephiroth just some shemale who gets pwend by an emo, but you wouldnt, in the game they are vampires, humans, demons, theres no enemy Kain technically cannot use it against apart from in-game (game mechanic) he cannot use it on those with the title of "boss" (also a game mechanic). YOU have to prove a character can defend from having its soul destroyed, your argument of "zomg pyronz is biggerror!!! he cannot possibly be defeateds!!!" is not worth a penny, a dime, or even a yen, barely a German Mark from the depression.
your list of games does not mean anything either ,see my first point. And you dont see a lot of things in SR and SR 2, he doesnt use many abilities at all, especially since you dont play as him so thats moot, BO 2 its young kain after being defeated, lost his reaver and his memory, Defiance Kain should have a lot of powers like teleport and super jumping under player control but in the game you see Kain teleport in a movie and players can only turn into bats or jump long distances at special points unlike in BO 2, all these ability options are gameplay, thing is none of it means he has lost the old powers.
he ability itself is not the mechanic, the ability is 100% viable, just like any ability in games
I'm afraid it isn't champ. Not only is it never shown outside of gameplay, it isn't even in all of the LoK games. That proves it to be a gameplay mechanic, nothing more. When you can show me a storyline cutscene with these abilities then they'll be viable, but until then stop trying to say that gameplay is canon, ok sport.
I'm afraid its you who doesn't have a clue. Take Lucasarts for example, they list all gameplay feats, that means abilities too, sport, as non canon. Why is this? Because gameplay elements are not part of the story. Its the same with LoK, if it isn't features outside of gameplay, it doesn't exist.
Here's another example, in FF VII Cloud and the rest can be equipped with new weapons, and we see them in battle. However, outside of battle we only see them with their original weapons, and AC's prologue confirms than other than Vincent having Cerberus, they all only used their original weapons. Once again, things that are only in gameplay aren't canon, LoK isn't above logic.
Learn to debate, Jr. You're making yourself look really silly.
false, if Lucasarts list something then its for them only to list, they do not rule all other fiction.
Nothing confirms them not being canon, all those things you listed have confirmation which is why you fail, Kains spells and abilities are simply what he gains, and in truth they are not optional either.