Black Adam vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nono. she's helpless against slashing/piercing attacks. she HAS to dodge these

technically Black Adam like Captain Marvel is everything Superman would dream of becoming, a sort of super-Superman in a way ([b]all the powers of a kryptonian minus the weaknesses)
the only reason Superman prevails is because he's the hero. in all the Superman vs Shazam fights however, supe's opponents are always shown as being roughly at the same level as he. he only has an edge because, again, he's the hero

u know, just like Buffy always finds a way to defeat vamps/demons even when they're stronger than her 😄

durability is the key factor and WW's durability is leagues below Superman & shazam. a bullet or a sword can kill her - Supe & shazam on the other hand just shrug these off [/B]

You are wrong on an array of issues, ranging from minor infractions to some rather sizeable mistakes.

The most obvious is when you say that Black Adam/Capt Marvel is everything that Superman would want to be. That they are sort of 'Super-Superman,' and that they have ALL the powers of a Kryptonian minus all of the weaknesses.

That is pure crock!

For one, the Marvel family has nothing on the powers of a Kryptonian under a yellow sun. They are analogous on a number of factors when it comes to scale, but they do not even approach the scope of Kryptonian powers.

For instance, the two (Marvel family and Kryptonian attributes) are basically more or less the same when it comes to strength. The level of strength is high enough in both cases as to make them peers at least, if not equals.

They are also extremely durable, possessing nigh equal measures of general invulnerability to standard attacks.

However that is where the comparisons end.

When it comes to speed, it has been shown that BA can travel (running nonetheless) at Mach 500. That is insane speed. Captain Marvel should also be able to move as fast. However, Kryptonians are faster. In First Thunder, it is stated on panel that while Captain marvel is fast, he is not as fast as Superman.

Another issue is the other Kryptonian powers ....for instance the gift of super-hearing, where again it is stated that Cap cannot hear as well as Superman.

Then there are a host of other Kryptonian powers, ranging from telescopic sight, microscopic vision, heat vision, hurricane and arctic breath, etc. Billy is actually impressed, even stating he would give up some attributes for the ability to see miles away.

Anyways, you make some salient points in regards to WW, but you are way out of line when you say that the Marvel family possess all the powers of a Kryptonian.

No, they do not. They are peers in terms of strength and invulnerability to general attacks, and are analogous when it comes to speed (in that a non-top-tier-speedster or a highly cognizant individual would not be able to differentiate the difference between a blitzing Cap M/B.Adam/Superman since they would all be moving so fast that most people would not even be able to spot any of them).

However there are a lot of powers that Kryptonians have that the Marvel family does not have.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nono. she's helpless against slashing/piercing attacks. she HAS to dodge these

technically Black Adam like Captain Marvel is everything Superman would dream of becoming, a sort of super-Superman in a way ([b]all the powers of a kryptonian minus the weaknesses)
the only reason Superman prevails is because he's the hero. in all the Superman vs Shazam fights however, supe's opponents are always shown as being roughly at the same level as he. he only has an edge because, again, he's the hero

u know, just like Buffy always finds a way to defeat vamps/demons even when they're stronger than her 😄

durability is the key factor and WW's durability is leagues below Superman & shazam. a bullet or a sword can kill her - Supe & shazam on the other hand just shrug these off [/B]

Any ways, the reason why WW dodges, and evades Peirce/Slash attack is because they peirce her skin because they are sharp, but a fist isn't sharp.

well i have read alot of opions on here but honestly with all this talk of super man vs black adam you would think ppl are trying to argue their fight lol...but really adam isn't superman's speed, i agree adams fast but not that fast...i mean look at jsa the comic where he runs with jay...but come on the only thing that i have seen that can honestly do alot of damage to Ba is the rock of eternity when he got shot with it in his own series....look at ww3 how he man handled everyone...even power girl...look at the respect tread where theirs a scan of ba choking power girl...all im saying is dont say the marvel family isn't as strong as the kryptoains...in my jla comic cap marvel even ko's sups....so yea the marvels don't have all the powers but their strength is matched but the marvels are harder to hurt.

WW loses to BA 7-8/10

yeah sure but :

No, they do not. They are peers in terms of strength and invulnerability to general attacks, and are analogous when it comes to speed

(btw hasn't BA also been stated to fly at superluminal speed whilst in space ?
how fast can Supe fly in space ?

shazams have no heat vision but their lightning can be considered an equivalent (in the sense that it's an energy attack) plus it can restore damage done to them, unlike heat vision (so small bonus there too). the drawback is that they have to dodge the lightning for it to strike their opponent, iirc they can't launch it "palpatine-style"

also shazams have a "magical invulnerability" bonus in addition the the physical invulnerability. that's a BIG plus

sure superman may have super-senses but cmon, I was talking real power : if the fates gave me choice between krypto & Shazam powers I wouldn't hesitate. and tell me honestly that you'd choose to be Supe if you could choose between the 2. I dunno about you but the idea of being rendered as helpless as a human newborn with a green piece of rock doesn't really scream temptation. neither does the possibility that you can be killed by any human-made blade or bullet IF it is imbued with magic

I dunno if you watch Smalville - but imagine the same show with Billy instead of Clark Kent : the hero would never ever get into any sort of trouble. where Clark nearly got killed because there just happened to be piece of meteor lying around or because some witch used a whammy on him, Billy would be perfectly safe, 0 risk for him - nothing could happen to him
(it would be a very dull show though. lol)

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Hero, or not Hero Superman has more powers. He has speed, more strenght. He has his super breath, He can see further, he can hear further, he and other powers too(minor ones).

Any ways, the reason why WW dodges, and evades Peirce/Slash attack is because they peirce her skin because they are sharp, but a fist isn't sharp. [/B]

Look, I've already given my opinion on this fight. I gave BA a majority.

Some of these recent posts are really just horrendous however. WW's invulnerability is a huge sticking point. She is listed as invulnerable, however, they have never addressed her 'weakness' to piercing objects. I think part of the problem is that before all of her many upgrades, the character became most known for using her bullets to block projectiles. It's as much apart of her character as Superman's heat vision or super hearing are to him. It's a blatant inconsistency that some writer is going to have to take up.

However, I think many people are forgetting that not just *any* object can pierce her skin. It would take a sharp object being propelled by tremendous force to accomplish this. I don't think a garden variety bullet would do it, but until we see panel proof of it, that is just my opinion

But for all intents and purposes, Diana IS invulnerable. She just has to work at it. Now I'm not claiming that she is as durable as Superman so please don't try to misquote me.

It would take a top tier being to get past her defenses. If you can't get past her shields or bracers with your attacks, it really doesn't matter whether or not they can affect her. I kinda like that she has to work for her invulnerability, but again I think a common attack like a bullet should not affect her.

But more importantly, that particular weakness is of no consequence in this fight unless you are equipping BA with some kind of sharp weapon. What matters here would be her resistance to blunt trauma, magic (against which she is highly resistant) or other energy attacks. It may or may not be enough.

And lastly, Soul Devourer I would remind you that Superman can be cut by objects too. He has been cut by WW's equipment on more than one occasion. That obviously doesn't stop us from calling him invulnerable now does it?

But for all intents and purposes, Diana IS invulnerable. She just has to work at it.

And lastly, Soul Devourer I would remind you that Superman can be cut by objects too. He has been cut by WW's equipment on more than one occasion. That obviously doesn't stop us from calling him invulnerable now does it? [/B]

cite example where one of the Shazam dudes got cut

btw how can WW "work at" being invulnerable ? no amount of training is gonna give her that kinda upgrade IMO

Originally posted by fangirl101
Zoom, CM, and Black Mary I would assume are.

shes beat zoom?

wtf.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Black Mary trashed Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy. She was easily pwned by Wonder Woman.

thats just poor writing black mary should own wondy. And im not takeing nothing away from WW.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wasn't it magic objects ??? (supe only has physical invulnerability)

cite example where one of the Shazam dudes got cut

btw how can WW "work at" being invulnerable ? no amount of training is gonna give her that kinda upgrade IMO

Yes, all of her artifacts are magical. That is beside the point. I mention it because you are using the fact that she can be cut as some kind of indicator of her durability for this particular fight. It is irrelevant, the same as it is with Superman. The fact that her skin can be pierced as no baring on her ability to take a beating. You may not like the paradox but you have to accept it.

You misunderstand me. While her training has a part to do with it, that is not what I meant. She actively has to work for her full invulnerability by using all of her defensive tools.

Originally posted by zeel
shes beat zoom?

wtf.

with the lasso...

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Yes, all of her artifacts are magical. That is beside the point. I mention it because you are using the fact that she can be cut as some kind of indicator of her durability for this particular fight. It is irrelevant, the same as it is with Superman. The fact that her skin can be pierced as no baring on her ability to take a beating. You may not like the paradox but you have to accept it.

You misunderstand me. While her training has a part to do with it, that is not what I meant. She actively has to work for her full invulnerability by using all of her defensive tools.

if she can bring her tools to the fight (lasso artifacts etc.) what can BA bring to the fight ??

Originally posted by Philosophía

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
I agree about the paradox part 😐

ok so in that case simpler question : how can WW harm BA ??

k but that's not her real (natural) invulnerability

if she can bring her tools to the fight (lasso artifacts etc.) what can BA bring to the fight ??

She has her strength. She has her tiara. She has her lasso, which if she gets it on him, is game over, and it can also be used as an offensive weapon.

Well it is and it isn't. She does have natural invulnerability when it comes to blunt trauma. That and resistance to magic are all that she would need in this fight. Now, you can argue that her durability isn't enough to handle BA (which it might not be). That's different than saying she's not invulnerable imo.

I am not giving her anything in this fight that she would not always have on her. This is standard WW, therefore BA get's to bring nothing with him. There are a whole host of items she could bring to the battlefield, but they aren't part of her standard gear, so she does not get them.

And for the record, I gave the majority to BA 😛

Well WW has a better chance against BA than she does against SS.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
She has her strength. She has her tiara.

She has her lasso, which if she gets it on him, is game over, and it can also be used as an offensive weapon.

then what ? remember I ask how can she harm him, not slow him down

Now, you can argue that her durability isn't enough to handle BA (which it might not be). That's different than saying she's not invulnerable imo.

I am not giving her anything in this fight that she would not always have on her. This is standard WW, therefore BA get's to bring nothing with him.

BA

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
both of which would have no effect on BA who has both physical & magical invulnerability.
next ! ^^

What? He is not impervious to all harm otherwise he would be invincible. Supes is invulnerable to physical attacks but he can be hurt if his opponent is strong enough.

ok so she could immobilize him (then again he has his speed)

then what ? remember I ask how can she harm him, not slow him down[/B]

You do realize that once encircled BA would be forced to tell WW the truth. And we all know what question she's going to ask him. 😛 Game over Teth!

she gets her gear but he has none, how convenient 😄 not a fair fight (it should be each fighter's natural abilities only). but even with hear gear BA has the advantage. as long as he dodges that lasso of hers [/B]

That is a poor argument. We are only talking about her standard gear. It is with her at all times. Do we strip Mjolnir away from Thor during all of his match ups? No because that weapon is apart of him. The same is true for Diana's standard gear. If I gave her access to all of her gear, then yes, that would be an unfair stomp.

Diana has plenty of ways she can hurt/defeat BA. It would be an amazing fight, and I give BA a slim majority.

Adam.

Adam 10/10

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nono. she's helpless against slashing/piercing attacks. she HAS to dodge these...

...durability is the key factor and WW's durability is [b]leagues below Superman & shazam. a bullet or a sword can kill her - Supe & shazam on the other hand just shrug these off [/B]

No. Just no. If she can take a punch and heat vision from Superman, a bullet would not kill Wonderwoman. Wonderwoman is vastly underrated here. No way this is a curbstomp in Black Adam's favor, all things considered equal. She could command him to say the magic word.

However, since Black Adam and Isis seemingly stole Shazam's power, I reserve judgment on current Black Adam vs Wonderwoman til I see more.