Black Adam vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not talking about some super-secret martial arts pressure point technique.

I'm talking pure punching power.

Take a super flyweight and a professional powerlifter. Said powerlifter will outweigh the flyweight by no less than a hundred pounds, and can likely lift several hundred more pounds.

However, the super flyweight - with vastly superior technique, can punch with more force.

So, again, either Diana and Billy are equal in both skill and strength, or they have one in as much excess as they have a defecit in the other.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HE's also mentioned that He and WW were evenly matched in raw power, that CM and Diana hit the same, etc.

So then you admit BA has superior strength?

According to your logic BA's strength or "punching power" > CM = WW?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT doesn't work like that. Superman's skin and aura is too fierce for skill to make any difference. And to say that a power lifter will punch with less force than a skilled fly weight is a guess. It depends on what they are punching, and how much power the power lifter puts into his hit. Also, Superman was comparing the hit or the force of the cheetah's blow. He siad that thing hits Like Diana or Captain marvel. And to be honest, IF you are saying Diana's skill makes her hit as hard as CM, then it doesn't really matter how she is able to do it, the point is, she's able to hit as hard as they can. And THAT is what it comes down to in a fight. But to be honest, She's shown to be far stronger than Supergirl, she's bested Etrigan who was able to punch superman from the earth to the moon, It's a safe bet, CM, BA, or superman aren't out of her strength class AT ALL.

My friend, it works exactly like that. Technique plays a larger role in punching power than strength. Spending a month taking a boxing class at the Y will make you punch harder than spending three years benching.

So, again, if it's a safe bet that Billy isn't out of her strength class AT ALL, it's an equally safe bet that Diana isn't out of Billy's skill class AT ALL.

🙂.

Originally posted by Soljer
My friend, it works exactly like that. Technique plays a larger role in punching power than strength. Spending a month taking a boxing class at the Y will make you punch harder than spending three years benching.

So, again, if it's a safe bet that Billy isn't out of her strength class AT ALL, it's an equally safe bet that Diana isn't out of Billy's skill class AT ALL.

🙂.

HOw ever you want to spin it, When it's all said and done, in a fight, She hits as hard as any of them. She's as durable to punching power as any of them. So exactly where is she going to be on the losing end with Superior speed, Superior skill, great blunt force durability, enough skill to block many of BA's punches, and being strong enough to ***** Supergirl with ONe hand?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HOw ever you want to spin it, When it's all said and done, in a fight, She hits as hard as any of them.

You're contradicting yourself Nvr. You earlier said WW hits as hard as CM, however by Superman's own words BA hits harder than marvel. Thus by your own argument BA is superior to both WW and CM in terms of "punching power".

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HOw ever you want to spin it, When it's all said and done, in a fight, She hits as hard as any of them. She's as durable to punching power as any of them. So exactly where is she going to be on the losing end with Superior speed, Superior skill, great blunt force durability, enough skill to block many of BA's punches, and being strong enough to ***** Supergirl with ONe hand?

Your 'superior speed' was being dragged into the speed force, so I still haven't seen any proof of that, especially with Black Adam managing to tag Garrick while he was in the speed force.

As far as her 'blunt force durability' goes...well...it doesn't go far, considering that Superman broke her wrists like twigs. That certainly wasn't a piercing force.

Where we are really left is Black Adam being the physical supeiror in nearly every way and Wonder Woman being vastly more skilled with enough magical trinkets to help close the gap.

Hmmmm.... did Superman say that BA hits harder than CM, because BA doesn't hold back while CM does?

Or because BA is stronger than CM?

Which is it?

Originally posted by dawsey28
Hmmmm.... did Superman say that BA hits harder than CM, because BA doesn't hold back while CM does?

Or because BA is stronger than CM?

Which is it?

No, he simply claimed BA hit harder. Superman would know as he's battled Marvel countless times.

He's he stronger? Possibly, but doubtful. I believe they're exact equals for the most part.

Originally posted by Soljer
Your 'superior speed' was being dragged into the speed force, so I still haven't seen any proof of that, especially with Black Adam managing to tag Garrick while he was in the speed force.

As far as her 'blunt force durability' goes...well...it doesn't go far, considering that Superman broke her wrists like twigs. That certainly wasn't a piercing force.

Where we are really left is Black Adam being the physical supeiror in nearly every way and Wonder Woman being vastly more skilled with enough magical trinkets to help close the gap.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wrong. Superman simply had leverage and that is why He was able to snap her wrist. The same leverage Zod had when he broke Superman's jaw. And WW wasn't dragged into the speed force. Where did you see that? Jessee entered the speed force and was fighting savatar. WW enters the speed force of her own accord and then ropes jesse IF I'm remembering the story correctly. And I don't see anyone presenting any proof that BA is above WW other than saying so. Where is the proof? Where are his strength feats and speed feats and durability feats that are just so out of her abilities? I haven't seen them. ANd since you like to use Boxers and weight trainers, you'd know that a skilled Boxer or fighter can beat someone 5 times as strong as they are. Now WW has BA beat in skill by a sizeable margin. I believe she's a 13 on the DC skill rating system.

Where do you come up with this stuff? ❌

Originally posted by Larceny
Where do you come up with this stuff? ❌

Try reading. WW is listed high on the DC skill meter. The top, ares is a 16.

Originally posted by Larceny
You're contradicting yourself Nvr. You earlier said WW hits as hard as CM, however by Superman's own words BA hits harder than marvel. Thus by your own argument BA is superior to both WW and CM in terms of "punching power".

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When has Diana or CM ever hit superman with the Uncaring, criminal intent that BA has?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Perhaps when mind controlled CM cheapshotted Supes...

Wait, you mean like people who try to say superman even tho sun amped being not aware of his actions, lessons his ability to fight? SO CM hit superman as well as he could even tho he wasn't in control of his actions?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wait, you mean like people who try to say superman even tho sun amped being not aware of his actions, lessons his ability to fight? SO CM hit superman as well as he could even tho he wasn't in control of his actions?

What the f*ck are you talking about? And you just said being able to 'fight', not taking away from his strength.
Superman was still as strong as ever... but bloodlusted Superman apparently sucks balls at fighting.

Also, I know you read Virtue and Vice... or at least I hope you did...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
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What the f*ck are you talking about? And you just said being able to 'fight', not taking away from his strength.
Superman was still as strong as ever... but bloodlusted Superman apparently sucks balls at fighting.

Also, I know you read Virtue and Vice... or at least I hope you did...

Y are you swearing at me bran? have I cusse dat you? Do you need some time? cuz Me making a statement should in no way get you cussing when all I did was make apoint. Someone said that superman fighting not in full control lessons the fact that WW stood up to him so well. I"m saying the same thing, CM mind controlled would lesson how well he would fight by the same token. Now please, calm the **** down. Or I'll just put you on ignore. Cuz I dont' remember cussing at you, or even being slight with you in the least.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Y are you swearing at me bran? have I cusse dat you? Do you need some time? cuz Me making a statement should in no way get you cussing when all I did was make apoint. Someone said that superman fighting not in full control lessons the fact that WW stood up to him so well. I"m saying the same thing, CM mind controlled would lesson how well he would fight by the same token. Now please, calm the **** down. Or I'll just put you on ignore. Cuz I dont' remember cussing at you, or even being slight with you in the least.

Is this guy serious? You're offended because someone cussed at you? dontgetit

Originally posted by Larceny
Is this guy serious? You're offended because someone cussed at you? dontgetit

Do you have one hand in your lap, lotioned up ,when you see my user name and avatar? Cuz I swear you are always in my ass when I haven't invited you. Mind yours.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Y are you swearing at me bran? have I cusse dat you? Do you need some time? cuz Me making a statement should in no way get you cussing when all I did was make apoint. Someone said that superman fighting not in full control lessons the fact that WW stood up to him so well. I"m saying the same thing, CM mind controlled would lesson how well he would fight by the same token. Now please, calm the **** down. Or I'll just put you on ignore. Cuz I dont' remember cussing at you, or even being slight with you in the least.

'Someone' said... and do you believe this, or are you just using this now to fit what you need in a post? And it's pretty irrelevant to what I was saying anyway.

Actually, I already explained it:
"Superman was still as strong as ever... but bloodlusted Superman apparently sucks balls at fighting."

And CM wasn't fighting, he was cheapshotting. Ie, all he needed was one punch.

Actually, I would like that very much.

Although, I like your blatant hypocrisy in your post... 'tis funny.

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Now, let's see if I can take your attention away from the top part long enough for you to acknowledge this...

CM punched Superman while mind controlled with a cheapshot. Although being mind controlled, he was in control of his strength, therefore making the mind controlled part mean nothing, except that he wouldn't be holding back like a hero would (and the cheapshot for no reason takes away from him having a hero mindset).

Also, since you should have read 'Virtue and Vice', you would know the context behind that, so...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Do you have one hand in your lap, lotioned up ,when you see my user name and avatar? Cuz I swear you are always in my ass when I haven't invited you. Mind yours.

It's an internet forum Nvr. Every time you post in this thread it's broadcasted on the forum. Considering this is a thread I follow I tend to post in it.

What's up with all the sex jokes? The minute anyone says anything about your sexual orientation or preferences you'll be up in flames, flaming, and smashing the report button.