Black Adam vs Wonder Woman

I would add that if you look at the fight in 'Sacrifice', the only times Diana scored any real damage on Superman was with her bracelets to the ears *while* he was using his super hearing and the tiara while he was standing in shock. In both cases, magical devices and he isn't as tough against magic as he is against non-magic. Since those devices are part of her standard gear, that's fine. But BA has no such weaknesses. And the only way she would ever get her lasso around him would be a surprise attack, a sucker punch, so to speak. The basis of this scenario are that they both know they are going to fight and are ready.

If people want to argue that she's a little faster than him, fine. But not enough faster that he's going to stand there while she's twirling a lasso. If she even reaches for it, he's going to hit with everything he's got. Not to mention that he could just dodge or catch it and yank. The only way she's going to use the lasso on him is to first hit him hard enough that he's out of it. So she would have to already win the fight to lasso him.

Bottom line: BA doesn't have the magic weaknesses that were the *only* times WW scored on Superman (uh combatwise I mean) and BA was a great warrior himself so the 'she's more skilled' argument doesn't cut it. She may be a little more skilled than him but not a lot more. Plus he has the speed of a god just as she does. Any difference in speed is insignificant.

Bottom bottom line 🤣 :

I'm a WW fan but he is going to win this. He is going to hurt her and hurt her bad. She might survive it if he stops once she's obviously out. Even in WWIII, he generally didn't keep pounding on people once they were out cold if he had nothing personal against them. But, he is going to kill her, figuratively speaking.

I give him 9 out of 10 on the grounds she might get very lucky once.

Originally posted by Thorion
Black Adam is at the very least Superman level in strength and durability......How did that last time Clark and Diana fought turn out? She had kryptonite, got knocked 3 planets away...In Sacrifice he put her down with 1 blow...

I mean, Etrigan had her down and fighting for her life while trying not to hurt her and every single time Superman has fought Etrigan what's happened? He's beaten him.....

Now, I understand that ABC logic doesn't always work but Superman and Black Adam are pretty much physical equals. Diana's never come close to beaten him. Hell, she's even admitted that she can't beat him.

Diana's fast, strong and skilled but she's never, ever shown that she can beat someone equal to Superman alone.

Based off only power sets and optimal strategies then WW will win all the time (10/10).

This is because Diana, having the tiara in hand, can block any strike that BA makes and which will result in dismembering each part of BA that assaulted.

Also a block/parry with the hand opposite the tiara hand or an evasive movement such as ducking/side steping will lead into a counter throat slash that in turn will result in a win. And those are just basic karate/kung-fu manuevers. Diana's skills are beyond basic karate/kung-fu. 😉

Originally posted by h1a8
Based off [B]only power sets and optimal strategies then WW will win all the time (10/10).

This is because Diana, having the tiara in hand, can block any strike that BA makes and which will result in dismembering each part of BA that assaulted.

Also a block/parry with the hand opposite the tiara hand or an evasive movement such as ducking/side steping will lead into a counter throat slash that in turn will result in a win. And those are just basic karate/kung-fu manuevers. Diana's skills are beyond basic karate/kung-fu. 😉 [/B]

I think that argument has already been debunked but not sure. Basically, she's got a knife. But your argument hinges on this: if it cut Superman, it automatically cuts Black Adam. That ignores that BA has no weakness to magic. We don't know that the tiara could cut through something that 'invulnerable' because Superman's invulnerability is much less vs. magic.

Assuming this knife can hurt him, does one normally throw all-out punches at a knife wielder? No, you'd grapple them. Plus she had to throw it with a lot of force to cut Superman. A grapple doesn't give her room for that.

As someone already pointed out, this is a way of using the tiara that we've never seen her do and have no evidence that it would work. It would be just as legitimate to say, as soon as she stands there holding the tiara in her hand clearly intending to use it hand to hand, he pulls off his shirt and wraps it around his hand and arm so he can grapple her. If she can use a device in a way we have no proof could work and that she's never done, he can use his shirt in a new manner he's never done and its exactly what you'd do against a knife.

It comes down to the fact that she has almost no chance of winning without her magic devices and, even with them, she has no chance of winning without creating a new way of using them with multiple assumptions about how it would work and additionally assuming he isn't allowed to use tactics he doesn't normally use while she is.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
If people want to argue that she's a little faster than him, fine. But not enough faster that he's going to stand there while she's twirling a lasso. If she even reaches for it, he's going to hit with everything he's got. Not to mention that he could just dodge or catch it and yank. The only way she's going to use the lasso on him is to first hit him hard enough that he's out of it. So she would have to already win the fight to lasso him.

Agreed. Using a lasso versus Adam is a deathwish. It is also FACT that Adam is both stronger and has much higher endurance than Wonderwoman. ..when she starts to wear down she will eventually get pummeled by at least Superman level blows.

He also has better durability as he laughs at high-powered gunfire..with no need to block bullets whatsoever.

Also, Bracelets in a fight with Black Adam won't do jack.

😕

Originally posted by SupremeMan
I think that argument has already been debunked but not sure. Basically, she's got a knife. But your argument hinges on this: if it cut Superman, it automatically cuts Black Adam. That ignores that BA has no weakness to magic. We don't know that the tiara could cut through something that 'invulnerable' because Superman's invulnerability is much less vs. magic.

Assuming this knife can hurt him, does one normally throw all-out punches at a knife wielder? No, you'd grapple them. Plus she had to throw it with a lot of force to cut Superman. A grapple doesn't give her room for that.

As someone already pointed out, this is a way of using the tiara that we've never seen her do and have no evidence that it would work. It would be just as legitimate to say, as soon as she stands there holding the tiara in her hand clearly intending to use it hand to hand, he pulls off his shirt and wraps it around his hand and arm so he can grapple her. If she can use a device in a way we have no proof could work and that she's never done, he can use his shirt in a new manner he's never done and its exactly what you'd do against a knife.

It comes down to the fact that she has almost no chance of winning without her magic devices and, even with them, she has no chance of winning without creating a new way of using them with multiple assumptions about how it would work and additionally assuming he isn't allowed to use tactics he doesn't normally use while she is.

And then you say she has almost no chance of winning without her devices? LMAO. She's FAR faster than BA. That much has already been proven. And BA's stamina is SHIT when he's fighting in highspeed. While she can sustain High speed combat with un erring accuracy.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Agreed. Using a lasso versus Adam is a deathwish. It is also FACT that Adam is both stronger and has much higher endurance than Wonderwoman. ..when she starts to wear down she will eventually get pummeled by at least Superman level blows.

He also has better durability as he laughs at high-powered gunfire..with no need to block bullets whatsoever.

Also, Bracelets in a fight with Black Adam won't do jack.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
I would add that if you look at the fight in 'Sacrifice', the only times Diana scored any real damage on Superman was with her bracelets to the ears *while* he was using his super hearing and the tiara while he was standing in shock. In both cases, magical devices and he isn't as tough against magic as he is against non-magic. Since those devices are part of her standard gear, that's fine. But BA has no such weaknesses. And the only way she would ever get her lasso around him would be a surprise attack, a sucker punch, so to speak. The basis of this scenario are that they both know they are going to fight and are ready.

If people want to argue that she's a little faster than him, fine. But not enough faster that he's going to stand there while she's twirling a lasso. If she even reaches for it, he's going to hit with everything he's got. Not to mention that he could just dodge or catch it and yank. The only way she's going to use the lasso on him is to first hit him hard enough that he's out of it. So she would have to already win the fight to lasso him.

Bottom line: BA doesn't have the magic weaknesses that were the *only* times WW scored on Superman (uh combatwise I mean) and BA was a great warrior himself so the 'she's more skilled' argument doesn't cut it. She may be a little more skilled than him but not a lot more. Plus he has the speed of a god just as she does. Any difference in speed is insignificant.

Bottom bottom line 🤣 :

I'm a WW fan but he is going to win this. He is going to hurt her and hurt her bad. She might survive it if he stops once she's obviously out. Even in WWIII, he generally didn't keep pounding on people once they were out cold if he had nothing personal against them. But, he is going to kill her, figuratively speaking.

I give him 9 out of 10 on the grounds she might get very lucky once.

Now here I have to pick apart this statement. It reeks of someone looking thru a filtered lense. In the sacrifice, did we not forget that Diana was pulling back and was not trying to hurt clark. And Wondy's bracelets being magic didn't have shit to do with his ears being hurt. It was her strength that caused the braclets to ring in his ears. OR do you think Spiderman with the bracelets could have done the same thing? LMAO. You still have to have enough strength to get past that BIO aura.

ANd you say BA has no weakness to Diana's weapons yet she's used them against Gods and the entire Greek Pantheon's power. WTF.

YOu also say that Wondy may be a little most skilled than Him. Are you OK? Wonder WOman is a class 13 fighter on the DC Scale or around there. I believe Batman is a 12 or something like that. I know her and he are really close. Ares, the only being I know who is a lvl 16 was even blitzed by Wondy. BA has shown NO SKILL what so ever. So stop assuming he's a great warrior. He hasn't ever been able to use that skill to get a SOLID majority over Captain Marvel. Wondy in her Depowered form sure used her skill to stalemate a mind controlled Cap.

ON the issue of speed, Diana Tops out after breaching the speed force barrier. Black Adam couldn't keep up with Jay garrick running around 20k per hour. The faster they went, the more tired BA got. Not only is she faster than BA, but she is skilled at using her speed in ways he can't dream. Examples include blocking multiple Light speed projections from a mad god for an extended period of time, Tying up Amazo before it could blink, catching flash a couple of times, moving so fast that she was invisible to the white martians AROUND THE WORLD.

WWIII doesn't count. He has a power up. And I don't see BA doing more than Sun amped supers did. ANd he gave it to diana good. Heat vision, Speed, Freeze breathe, a ten times the speed of light punch, friction at that speed into the earth's atmosphere, and a crater the size of a football field. Or we could talk about Zoom punching her around the world while she was blind. Need I go on? BA isn't steam rolling this fight AT ALL.

Originally posted by Thorion
Black Adam is at the very least Superman level in strength and durability......How did that last time Clark and Diana fought turn out? She had kryptonite, got knocked 3 planets away...In Sacrifice he put her down with 1 blow...

I mean, Etrigan had her down and fighting for her life while trying not to hurt her and every single time Superman has fought Etrigan what's happened? He's beaten him.....

Now, I understand that ABC logic doesn't always work but Superman and Black Adam are pretty much physical equals. Diana's never come close to beaten him. Hell, she's even admitted that she can't beat him.

Diana's fast, strong and skilled but she's never, ever shown that she can beat someone equal to Superman alone.

Black Adam has NO strength feats that indicate he's Superman lvl in strength. He may be very close, but that is about it. The last time Diana and Wondy fought, Superman had a sun Amp. And Diana was holding back the entire fight stated on panel.

Etrigan DID NOT have Wondy fighting for her life. LMAO. Did we read the same fight. She pinned him up pretty quickly after they traded blows. Wondy even says on Panel that Etrigan is NEARLY as strong as she. Etrigan used his hell fire on wondy, and I didn't see a singe on her. And You say she's never shown that she can beat someone Equal to Superman's strength? Then who is Super Woman from the Crime Syndicate? The White Martians. In that Story arc, it was said repeatedly that they were every bit as fast, tuff and strong as Superman. What about Kid Amazo? She locked him up pretty good AFTER he hit the shit out of her. What about CM? She stalemated him before her upgrades.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just had to correct you on some things since it is obvious that your knowledge on Wonder Woman is lacking.
Her Tiara did not cut superman just becuz he's weak to magic. Where ever did you get such an impression. It cut him becuz it was made to Kill Gods. Diana has Killed a magical being superior to teth in every way with said Tiara. her cutting Teth WON"T be a ploblem.

And then you say she has almost no chance of winning without her devices? LMAO. She's FAR faster than BA. That much has already been proven. And BA's stamina is SHIT when he's fighting in highspeed. While she can sustain High speed combat with un erring accuracy.

Actually, my knowledge of Wonder Woman is considerable. I know she has used it on other beings. But she used it on Superman who is vulnerable to magic and even then when he was already standing confused meaning he couldn't dodge as he normally could have.

LMAO. She has almost ZERO chance of winning without her magical devices. Tell me, what did she do to him during their fight that had any effect whatsoever that did not involve hurting him with her magical devices?

You have shown NOTHING that shows she is far faster than he is. Both of them have the speed of gods of speed.

Black Adam's stamina isn't shit at any speed. On what do you even base this statement? God almighty, he fought for heaven knows how long against dozens of attackers and kept going. I think currently he just kicked the ass of almost every super hero on Earth by himself.

I wish they would just upgrade her and show her going toe to toe with Superman leaving no question she was his equal. But her fight against Superman was one of getting hammered back and retreating, just trying to survive. And yes, that was partly to figure out how to snap him out of the control. So why didn't she just knock him out? I mean come on, he knocked her cold and entering the atmosphere revived her. The solution should be simple right? Just hit him so hard it knocks him out. But she couldn't. Not with the bracelets or her fists or kicks. She couldn't. Even before the sun-amp, she was fighting a retreating battle.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Actually, my knowledge of Wonder Woman is considerable. I know she has used it on other beings. But she used it on Superman who is vulnerable to magic and even then when he was already standing confused meaning he couldn't dodge as he normally could have.

LMAO. She has almost ZERO chance of winning without her magical devices. Tell me, what did she do to him during their fight that had any effect whatsoever that did not involve hurting him with her magical devices?

You have shown NOTHING that shows she is far faster than he is. Both of them have the speed of gods of speed.

Black Adam's stamina isn't shit at any speed. On what do you even base this statement? God almighty, he fought for heaven knows how long against dozens of attackers and kept going. I think currently he just kicked the ass of almost every super hero on Earth by himself.

I wish they would just upgrade her and show her going toe to toe with Superman leaving no question she was his equal. But her fight against Superman was one of getting hammered back and retreating, just trying to survive. And yes, that was partly to figure out how to snap him out of the control. So why didn't she just knock him out? I mean come on, he knocked her cold and entering the atmosphere revived her. The solution should be simple right? Just hit him so hard it knocks him out. But she couldn't. Not with the bracelets or her fists or kicks. She couldn't. Even before the sun-amp, she was fighting a retreating battle.

Your argument is Weak all around. You really don't know about wonder woman, you know even less about Black Adam and his Gods and about World War 3. Black Adam had a power up. Any feats he performed there are inadmissible.

YOu also are SKIPPING over the fact that Superman was Sun amped, Enraged, and Thought he was fighting Doomsday who killed Lois. Wondy was stated on panel to be holding back. Try again.

I bet you didn't know that BA's stamina is shit at high speeds. He couldn't keep up with Jay garrick and He started to give out. He can't keep up high speed. Research some?

Even before the sun amp, WOndy was not trying to kill clark as stated, she was holding back.

OH and BA gave out around mach 500. Wondy can move far far faster and keep it up. FYI.

One more thing. CM gets his speed from Mercury. Mercury and Flash Both Fought Hermes. Whom Wondy gets her speed from. BA's Gods were equal to CM in ever way. That would mean Hermes>>Mercury. Thus Wondy's speed>> BA's. Not only in source, but in actual feats.

WWIII isn't really neccesary to this but still you keep referring to this alleged powerup on the assumption he had Isis's powers and that those powers, if he had them, in any way augmented his speed, durability and strength which would be separate powers.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
WWIII isn't really neccesary to this but still you keep referring to this alleged powerup on the assumption he had Isis's powers and that those powers, if he had them, in any way augmented his speed, durability and strength which would be separate powers.

NO. Isis also had strength and durability. But really, it' is stated on PAnel that Black mary is using Isis's powers in ways BA never did. IT didn't say BA never used Isis's powers. It said He didn't use them the same way that mary did. Set and match.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your argument is Weak all around. You really don't know about wonder woman, you know even less about Black Adam and his Gods and about World War 3. Black Adam had a power up. Any feats he performed there are inadmissible.

YOu also are SKIPPING over the fact that Superman was Sun amped, Enraged, and Thought he was fighting Doomsday who killed Lois. Wondy was stated on panel to be holding back. Try again.

I bet you didn't know that BA's stamina is shit at high speeds. He couldn't keep up with Jay garrick and He started to give out. He can't keep up high speed. Research some?

Even before the sun amp, WOndy was not trying to kill clark as stated, she was holding back.

Okay, this is getting a little too out of control for my tastes so I'll reign in the more insulting aspects of the exchange.

I know quite a bit about WW and the Egyptian gods both in comics and in mythology, especially mythology. Read World War 3. but its inadmissible and hence beside the point.

And sure I'm bypassing the sunamp and the rage while you are skipping that being enraged, he wasn't fighting with any thought or intelligence, that in his mind he was fighting an opponent that just mindlessly slugs toe-to-toe and didn't know who he was really fighting. Couldn't really defend against things like lassoes when he doesn't even understand he's fighting WW. Was standing dazed from something else when she hit him with the tiara. The writer emphasized that he was using his super hearing when she boxed his ears and not with her hands but the bracelets for extra effect and still wasn't enough. But then again, writer emphasizes that he wasn't holding back. Yeah but they emphasized he wasn't holding back when he hit Batman and somehow Batman survived an all-out punch from Superman. So it was really all-out or he was subconsciously holding back?

The Jay Garrick example is a good one although I know of no other example of him tiring out. But I'll concede that one as comics reading at today's prices is, shall we say, selective. Yet everything I have read is consistent with her not being able to stand up to the Superman/ Black Adam level.

I'll grant that its all selective and inconsistent for sure. Its not like real people where their abilities are consistent.

Just wanna point something out.....superman was holding back he says it later,and ww got man handled so im not seeing the point of bringing it up,unless your using it for durability feats and such.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. Isis also had strength and durability. But really, it' is stated on PAnel that Black mary is using Isis's powers in ways BA never did. IT didn't say BA never used Isis's powers. It said He didn't use them the same way that mary did. Set and match.

You're reaching for that one. You are trying to turn a non-statement or a negative into a positive. He never used Isis's powers as Mary did. Likely meaning he never used them or at best a neutral statement but you are, in this case, saying that somehow this shows he was using them.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Okay, this is getting a little too out of control for my tastes so I'll reign in the more insulting aspects of the exchange.

I know quite a bit about WW and the Egyptian gods both in comics and in mythology, especially mythology. Read World War 3. but its inadmissible and hence beside the point.

And sure I'm bypassing the sunamp and the rage while you are skipping that being enraged, he wasn't fighting with any thought or intelligence, that in his mind he was fighting an opponent that just mindlessly slugs toe-to-toe and didn't know who he was really fighting. Couldn't really defend against things like lassoes when he doesn't even understand he's fighting WW. Was standing dazed from something else when she hit him with the tiara. The writer emphasized that he was using his super hearing when she boxed his ears and not with her hands but the bracelets for extra effect and still wasn't enough. But then again, writer emphasizes that he wasn't holding back. Yeah but they emphasized he wasn't holding back when he hit Batman and somehow Batman survived an all-out punch from Superman. So it was really all-out or he was subconsciously holding back?

The Jay Garrick example is a good one although I know of no other example of him tiring out. But I'll concede that one as comics reading at today's prices is, shall we say, selective. Yet everything I have read is consistent with her not being able to stand up to the Superman/ Black Adam level.

I'll grant that its all selective and inconsistent for sure. Its not like real people where their abilities are consistent.

Since when are real people's abilities consistant? We have off days. Get sick. Don't get enough rest. I would think comic characters suffer from the same.

Now, your saying superman didn't know who he was fighting, WELL he noticed that doomsday wasn't fighting like his normal self. Fighting in a tacticle way. he didn't know it was wondy, but he sure as hell noted that doomsday was fighting tacticle. That would imply that superman knew what he was doing and was fighting like a thinking man.

The batman one isn't a good example. He's the batgod. The Only time he's gotten it on panel was from DS, and Joker.

Oh and Supers couldn't have been subconciously holding back. HE NEVER does that to doomsday.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
You're reaching for that one. You are trying to turn a non-statement or a negative into a positive. He never used Isis's powers as Mary did. Likely meaning he never used them or at best a neutral statement but you are, in this case, saying that somehow this shows he was using them.

No. The statement is saying that he used Isis powers. THat much is a given. He didn't use them Like Mary did. IT would be REDICULOUS to think BA could do that much dmg on with his normal power lvls. Thunder Bolt, Alan Scott and Firestorm would kill Adam at his normal lvls. No need for MM or the others.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

The batman one isn't a good example. He's the batgod. The Only time he's gotten it on panel was from DS, and Joker.

And that explains why a non-powered human being could survive a punch from a man who can hit hard enough to send someone rocketing across the solar system? He has to fight with every ounce of his will to NOT hold back.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
And that explains why a non-powered human being could survive a punch from a man who can hit hard enough to send someone rocketing across the solar system? He has to fight with every ounce of his will to NOT hold back.

Obviously Someone was protecting Batman. Mxy alluded as much in a S/B story. Everything comes from them. Look at the beating Batman took at the hands of DS with a mother box and an amping suit.