Black Adam vs Wonder Woman

Started by SupremeMan112 pages
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. The statement is saying that he used Isis powers. THat much is a given. He didn't use them Like Mary did. IT would be REDICULOUS to think BA could do that much dmg on with his normal power lvls. Thunder Bolt, Alan Scott and Firestorm would kill Adam at his normal lvls. No need for MM or the others.

Well, I was just reading the Death of Superman where Blue Beetle survives multiple hits from a being that can kill Superman and so does Booster Gold with his force field down.

I vaguely remember the Martian Manhunter in a situation where he took out multiple people he shouldn't have been able to.

In one of the early Supergirl comics of this incarnation, she took out the Justice League and even seemed faster, stronger and tougher than Superman.

Comics have all sorts of examples of characters doing things that seem ridiculous when you compare their normal power levels and the normal power levels of their opponents. Might be a powerup in BA's case or might be just another example of, "Okay, in this scenario, so-and-so is the main character so remember, everybody job for him. Action."

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Well, I was just reading the Death of Superman where Blue Beetle survives multiple hits from a being that can kill Superman and so does Booster Gold with his force field down.

I vaguely remember the Martian Manhunter in a situation where he took out multiple people he shouldn't have been able to.

In one of the early Supergirl comics of this incarnation, she took out the Justice League and even seemed faster, stronger and tougher than Superman.

Comics have all sorts of examples of characters doing things that seem ridiculous when you compare their normal power levels and the normal power levels of their opponents. Might be a powerup in BA's case or might be just another example of, "Okay, in this scenario, so-and-so is the main character so remember, everybody job for him. Action."

Doomsday may have not been concentrating on the league at the moment. I do remember booster's shields being up when he fot hit. could be wrong. Supergirl was let to beat the league. MM, WW, and Superman had it alrealy in hand. But seriously, BA had a power up. He had the power of seven gods, and she was more powerful than all of the other 6.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doomsday may have not been concentrating on the league at the moment. I do remember booster's shields being up when he fot hit. could be wrong. Supergirl was let to beat the league. MM, WW, and Superman had it alrealy in hand. But seriously, BA had a power up. He had the power of seven gods, and she was more powerful than all of the other 6.

His shields went down just before the last punch. Blue Beetle got punched and slammed several times and then tossed high into the air and crashed down and survived it. Of course, all the incidental characters Doomsday hit were killed. It was just convenience. Somehow BB just happens to survive because being killed wasn't on the docket. Supergirl had already taken out the League and when she flew away, that's when Supes and WW said to let her go, it was already prepared for.

I know that Dr. Sivana said Adam had the power of seven gods and I don't think it was a mistake by the writer. However, I'm not quite seeing how Isis is more powerful than all of the other gods. Heru is just another name for Heracles granted but Zehuti is another name for Thoth and then there's Atum.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
His shields went down just before the last punch. Blue Beetle got punched and slammed several times and then tossed high into the air and crashed down and survived it. Of course, all the incidental characters Doomsday hit were killed. It was just convenience. Somehow BB just happens to survive because being killed wasn't on the docket. Supergirl had already taken out the League and when she flew away, that's when Supes and WW said to let her go, it was already prepared for.

I know that Dr. Sivana said Adam had the power of seven gods and I don't think it was a mistake by the writer. However, I'm not quite seeing how Isis is more powerful than all of the other gods. Heru is just another name for Heracles granted but Zehuti is another name for Thoth and then there's Atum.

Isis is more powerful becuz the writers say she is. Hell, look at her power in Black Mary. It's obcene.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Isis is more powerful becuz the writers say she is. Hell, look at her power in Black Mary. It's obcene.

Isis had no powers other than control over the elements, at least that's all she ever displayed and even then she was far from impressive.

Now I understand you refuse to accept your incapability to prove Adam had a power up makes any claims that he had a power up meaningless, but hey you can keep trolling. 👆

Also, you use Mary Marvel as a reference as if she didn't obtain the power of both Isis and Adam. Funny considering she's actually displayed signs of Isis power whereas Adam did not.

Originally posted by Larceny
Isis had no powers other than control over the elements, at least that's all she ever displayed and even then she was far from impressive.

Now I understand you refuse to accept your incapability to prove Adam had a power up makes any claims that he had a power up meaningless, but hey you can keep trolling. 👆

Also, you use Mary Marvel as a reference as if she didn't obtain the power of both Isis and Adam. Funny considering she's actually displayed signs of Isis power whereas Adam did not.

Um, YOu have been pwned By Val on the subject. Adam had a power up. YOu only make your self look silly by trying to hold on that that theory. Thunder Bolt has been able to stalemate MOrdu. Yet he was ineffective against BA. ONly an Idiot would think BA didn't have a power up

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, YOu have been pwned By Val on the subject. Adam had a power up. YOu only make your self look silly by trying to hold on that that theory. Thunder Bolt has been able to stalemate MOrdu. Yet he was ineffective against BA. ONly an Idiot would think BA didn't have a power up

How can you be pwned in a civil discussion? Not that it matters as even he stated he was unsure Adam had a power up, but used examples of Sivana's claims as why he believed he did.

Nvr, I honesty couldn't care less bout what you think. I'll I require is proof of a power up, proof thus far you've proved incapable of providing. Until that time, if ever, I'll ask you to refrain from your continuos baseless claims.

Only an idiot would continue to make baseless claims with literally no proof supporting him. 😬

Originally posted by Larceny
How can you be pwned in a civil discussion? Not that it matters as even he stated he was unsure Adam had a power up, but used examples of Sivana's claims as why he believed he did.

Nvr, I honesty couldn't care less bout what you think. I'll I require is proof of a power up, proof thus far you've proved incapable of providing. Until that time, if ever, I'll ask you to refrain from your continuos baseless claims.

Only an idiot would continue to make baseless claims with literally no proof supporting him. 😬


Then you are an idiot? becuz you keep supporting a baseless claim that BA didn't have a power up. When it is obvious he did. Said so in so many ways. Oh and the fact that BA has never been able to beat CM solidly. Yet he beats the Entire JSA? And MM. ANd others? Please stop being rediculous. ThunderBolt>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regular BA.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then you are an idiot? becuz you keep supporting a baseless claim that BA didn't have a power up. When it is obvious he did. Said so in so many ways. Oh and the fact that BA has never been able to beat CM solidly. Yet he beats the Entire JSA? And MM. ANd others? Please stop being rediculous. ThunderBolt>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regular BA.

No, I simply require proof. Proof you've continually shown you're incapable of providing, thus making your claims meaningless.

I have proof he didn't, you simply need stronger proof he did.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Black%20Adam%20Feats/DC52Week44-018.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Black%20Adam%20Feats/DC52Week44-019.jpg

Never depicted or insinuated that he received her power. Not only that, but unlike Mary he never displayed signs of Isis power.

Black Adam's always been written as the slight superior of Marvel.

It's called inconsistencies Nvr. It's that simple. Logically it shouldn't happen but to support the plot it does. The same would happen if Superman went berserk.

Originally posted by Larceny
No, I simply require proof. Proof you've continually shown you're incapable of providing, thus making your claims meaningless.

I have proof he didn't, you simply need stronger proof he did.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Black%20Adam%20Feats/DC52Week44-018.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Black%20Adam%20Feats/DC52Week44-019.jpg

Never depicted or insinuated that he received her power. Not only that, but unlike Mary he never displayed signs of Isis power.

Black Adam's always been written as the slight superior of Marvel.

It's called inconsistencies Nvr. It's that simple. Logically it shouldn't happen but to support the plot it does. The same would happen if Superman went berserk.

Superman went bezerk and was still matched by Orion. Sun amped that is. Your example fails as do the scans.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman went bezerk and was still matched by Orion. Sun amped that is. Your example fails as do the scans.

Nvr don't be dense. You know as well as I do in big events characters are written down to push the plot. For example WWH.

The scans support my claims. I see you've come empty handed. It's fine, you can continue to base your arguments off speculation.

Originally posted by Larceny
Nvr don't be dense. You know as well as I do in big events characters are written down to push the plot. For example WWH.

The scans support my claims. I see you've come empty handed. It's fine, you can continue to base your arguments off speculation.

YOu are shooting yourself in the foot. Your basically calling WW3 Pis if BA didn't have a power up. THanks. MMk.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu are shooting yourself in the foot. Your basically calling WW3 Pis if BA didn't have a power up. THanks. MMk.

No, like I've stated throughout the thread it's inconsistencies. I know how comics work, If you read as much as you claim you should to.

However your attempts to squirm out of your burden of proof aren't working. I'm still waiting.

Originally posted by Larceny
No, like I've stated throughout the thread it's inconsistencies. I know how comics work, If you read as much as you claim you should to.

However your attempts to squirm out of your burden of proof aren't working. I'm still waiting.

Um What the **** do I need to prove? The scans have already been posted in other threads. the fact that you are a tard and refuse to accept them is NOT my problem.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um What the **** do I need to prove? The scans have already been posted in other threads. the fact that you are a tard and refuse to accept them is NOT my problem.

It's simple really. you need to prove he had or ever utilized a power. Until that time your claims that he had one are meaningless and complete speculation.

If they've been posted in other threads it'll make it all the easier for you to prove shouldn't it?

Originally posted by SupremeMan
I think that argument has already been debunked but not sure. Basically, she's got a knife. But your argument hinges on this: if it cut Superman, it automatically cuts Black Adam. That ignores that BA has no weakness to magic. We don't know that the tiara could cut through something that 'invulnerable' because Superman's invulnerability is much less vs. magic.

Assuming this knife can hurt him, does one normally throw all-out punches at a knife wielder? No, you'd grapple them. Plus she had to throw it with a lot of force to cut Superman. A grapple doesn't give her room for that.

As someone already pointed out, this is a way of using the tiara that we've never seen her do and have no evidence that it would work. It would be just as legitimate to say, as soon as she stands there holding the tiara in her hand clearly intending to use it hand to hand, he pulls off his shirt and wraps it around his hand and arm so he can grapple her. If she can use a device in a way we have no proof could work and that she's never done, he can use his shirt in a new manner he's never done and its exactly what you'd do against a knife.

It comes down to the fact that she has almost no chance of winning without her magic devices and, even with them, she has no chance of winning without creating a new way of using them with multiple assumptions about how it would work and additionally assuming he isn't allowed to use tactics he doesn't normally use while she is.


Grappling only works if both you are skill enough (something BA isn't) and you counter the knife attack. Trying to grapple against someone who is waiting for you to attack will result in you dying quickly ever time. If BA reaches to grab Diana then Diana just cuts off his hands or side steps and cuts his throat. So there will be no grappling here.

And my argument wasn't debunked.

Fact1: Superman is not weak to magical items. So the tiara cut him off of pure force.

Fact2: Diana is strong enough to draw blood from BA with her bare hands.

Fact3: The tiara is indestructible and sharper than a razor.

Fact4: By being a supreme martial arts master, Diana has mastered the art of countering, side-stepping, and parrying.

Facts 2 and 3 alone proves the tiara can cut BA.
Fact 4 proves that grappling won't work regardless of whether BA is using his shirt (lol).

And Diana has used the tiara in a similar manner before. That point is moot anyway since power set and optimal strategy is what the debate is about, and not Jobber Aura, abc logic, popularity(bias), or sexist beliefs.

P.S. And whose's to say that Diana won't counter BA's first strike attempt with an elbow/knife hand in his throat or a palm strike pushing his nose to his brain, and thus winning in the first instant everytime? I totally agree that Diana wins 10/10 without her weapons. The weapons are just overkill.

Originally posted by Larceny
It's simple really. you need to prove he had or ever utilized a power. Until that time your claims that he had one are meaningless and complete speculation.

If they've been posted in other threads it'll make it all the easier for you to prove shouldn't it?

BA had the power of 7 gods. and isis was the most powerful of them. Now chew glass. you've seen the scans.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now chew glass.

Holy SHIT you are agressive.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
BA had the power of 7 gods. and isis was the most powerful of them. Now chew glass. you've seen the scans.

Actually, he was written with the power of 6. Like the others, Isis apparently only offers a single power, that being power over the elements, power Adam never displayed.

Proof is all you need. Also, reported. 🙂

Also, Adam is assumed to receive his power around countdown 31, as he's featured on the cover of Justice League of America #13 with new attire along with the rest of the Injustice League.

Originally posted by Larceny
Actually, he was written with the power of 6. Like the others, Isis apparently only offers a single power, that being power over the elements, power Adam never displayed.

Proof is all you need. Also, reported. 🙂

Also, Adam is assumed to receive his power after countdown, as he's featured on the cover of Justice League of America #13 with new attire along with the rest of the Injustice League.

I dont think you realize how strict KMC is gonna become if you keep reporting people over minor stuff.

CBR is in the future,and nobody wants that.