Originally posted by llagrok
So because Apocalypse has telepathic feats, but not enough mind blast feats, he can't attack Gladiator with telepathy? 🙄
When the bell rings, and Gladiator accelerates to FTL speeds (He has traveled 100 times the speed of light before, traversed hyperspace, etc) what is apoc going to do?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
When the bell rings, and Gladiator accelerates to FTL speeds (He has traveled 100 times the speed of light before, traversed hyperspace, etc) what is apoc going to do?
He'll think "die" and Gladiator will die.
There's nothing called 100% confidence Gladiator, there's no such thing as a confidence gauge, nor have we ever seen him at "max" confidence. Potentially Gladiator could kill anyone with one punch.
Originally posted by llagrok
He'll think "die" and Gladiator will die.There's nothing called 100% confidence Gladiator, there's no such thing as a confidence gauge, nor have we ever seen him at "max" confidence. Potentially Gladiator could kill anyone with one punch.
What im trying to say is, The speed of light>>>>>Speed of thought.
The nano-second the bell rings, Gladiator will be moving so fast that Apocalypse will seem frozen in time to him. (not to mention that doest a telepath have to know/track his target to affect him?)
Also, can anyone clarify what it was that vulcan tried to hit Gladiator with during their one sided fight?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
What im trying to say is, The speed of light>>>>>Speed of thought.The nano-second the bell rings, Gladiator will be moving so fast that Apocalypse will seem frozen in time to him. (not to mention that doest a telepath have to know/track his target to affect him?)
Also, can anyone clarify what it was that vulcan tried to hit Gladiator with during their one sided fight?
Can anyone clarify how Gladiator's gonna get past time manipulation? 🙂
Im not doubting that Gladiator would win, but doesnt Apocalypse have control over his molecular structure? Like shouldnt a light speed punch to the mug rearrange Apocalypse's face only to have it mold back to normal right after? I mean Mr. Sinister technically should be able to survive this, so why not Apocalypse?
Originally posted by redhotrash
Im not doubting that Gladiator would win, but doesnt Apocalypse have control over his molecular structure? Like shouldnt a light speed punch to the mug rearrange Apocalypse's face only to have it mold back to normal right after? I mean Mr. Sinister technically should be able to survive this, so why not Apocalypse?
Well, according to the OP Gladiator is at 100% confidence. So he should be capable of taking out the planet with a punch, easily.
If Gladiator is 100 percent confident, then I don't think any singular psy-blasts (telepathic or otherwise) will put him down.
If this is a noprep battle, Gladiator should win this. He simply overpowers Apocalypse in speed, strength, and durability. Give Apoc some time to prep, or beef himself up, or get through Glads' confidence defense, and I think Poccy could take it.
Gladiator 8/10.
I think Apocalypse gets sold way to short here on KMC, and I also find it ironic that it's always assumed characters take the direct approach in battle even when that's not their character. What's stopping Apoc from simply teleporting at the onset of battle to another point on the battlefield, and reappearing 50+ feet tall and a class 500+ with his hand morphed into a fusion cannon? Or simply raising his shields? That's a novel idea. Or how about simply becoming intangible, or taking on an amorphous consistency similar to rubber so Gladiator's physical attacks have no harm on him whatsoever? Or absorbing and redirecting any energy attacks Gladiator attacks him with? Or any other logical point of attack or counteratack Apocalypse has displayed in his decades plus of existence? This forum-wide anti-Apocalypse sentiment is laughable at best.
I'm not drinking the Kool Aid.
The "Apoc gets a coffee table thrown at him" train has ran it's course. That bandwagon is full and going nowhere. It's not even funny anymore.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I think Apocalypse gets sold way to short here on KMC, and I also find it ironic that it's always assumed characters take the direct approach in battle even when that's not their character. What's stopping Apoc from simply teleporting at the onset of battle to another point on the battlefield, and reappearing 50+ feet tall and a class 500+ with his hand morphed into a fusion cannon? Or simply raising his shields? That's a novel idea. Or how about simply becoming intangible, or taking on an amorphous consistency similar to rubber so Gladiator's physical attacks have no harm on him whatsoever? Or absorbing and redirecting any energy attacks Gladiator attacks him with? Or any other logical point of attack or counteratack Apocalypse has displayed in his decade plus of existence? This forum-wide anti-Apocalypse sentiment is laughable at best.I'm not drinking the Kool Aid.
The "Apoc gets a coffee table thrown at him" train has ran it's course. That bandwagon is full and going nowhere. It's not even funny anymore.
I'm a huge Apocalypse fan as well and I think he gets too little respect on this board.
I suppose Apocalypse himself is partially to blame for this though. A lot of people lack knowledge and don't realize that he was weakened the times he chose to engage the x-men. And the times when they have fought him at full power, nothing short of PIS or plot items have been capable of injuring him.
Unfortunately Apocalypse has a lot of different power showings, but these have only appeared once or twice. Such as matter manipulation, time manipulation and reality manipulation. Since these have only appeared once, I can understand why Apocalypse doesn't get his due.
I still think it's ridiculous that people he has beaten in a straight fight are still ranked above him, but I suppose that's how it's going to be. It's funny how people are willing to accept other character's powers when there's only one showing, but I suppose that's something which will never change.
Originally posted by illadelph12The respect would be great, but it must be backed up by current comic book portrayals. Apocalypse suffers from a much stronger dose of what has been done to Darkseid over the past couple years. The only solution is for him to be portrayed as a legitimate, competent, planet level threat (as opposed to a prepping, local area threat).
I think Apocalypse gets sold way to short here on KMC, and I also find it ironic that it's always assumed characters take the direct approach in battle even when that's not their character. What's stopping Apoc from simply teleporting at the onset of battle to another point on the battlefield, and reappearing 50+ feet tall and a class 500+ with his hand morphed into a fusion cannon? Or simply raising his shields? That's a novel idea. Or how about simply becoming intangible, or taking on an amorphous consistency similar to rubber so Gladiator's physical attacks have no harm on him whatsoever? Or absorbing and redirecting any energy attacks Gladiator attacks him with? Or any other logical point of attack or counteratack Apocalypse has displayed in his decades plus of existence? This forum-wide anti-Apocalypse sentiment is laughable at best.I'm not drinking the Kool Aid.
The "Apoc gets a coffee table thrown at him" train has ran it's course. That bandwagon is full and going nowhere. It's not even funny anymore.
I'd like to see this as much as I would like to see Darkseid's "Super-Busting" cred restored. I don't see it happening now.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
The respect would be great, but it must be backed up by current comic book portrayals. Apocalypse suffers from a much stronger dose of what has been done to Darkseid over the past couple years. The only solution is for him to be portrayed as a legitimate, competent, planet level threat (as opposed to a prepping, local area threat).I'd like to see this as much as I would like to see Darkseid's "Super-Busting" cred restored. I don't see it happening now.
His recent portrayals aren't that bad, it's just too bad that he's in a weakened state due to having given so much blood.
