Originally posted by AlfheimWell the lack of substantive telepathic feats, makes me doubt he can knock him out, hurt him perhaps - but to what degree I'm not sure - all moot however considering telepathy while occurring concurrently to thought, still requires thought.
I guess we can only speculate if its enough to hurt Glads.
Originally posted by AlfheimSee what pr said.
Well im just saying im sure one-team feats are allowed on this forum.
Originally posted by AlfheimHe had to be taken to the Astral Plane by Cable. Telepaths generally are able to travel to the Astral Plane of their own accord.
Didnt Apoc travel to the astral with Cable in the Onslaught Saga?Well I guess we can say since Apoc has fought Ikaris he should be able to defeat Glads.
That would be ABC logic.
Originally posted by llagrokNo more like he doesn't have enough telepathy feats in general to even really refer to him as a telepath let alone to compare him to Charles Xavier or his mummadrai. The sole offensive feat occurred while he was in a Celestial device, which drew power from the Twelve and Nate Grey. And having only one offensive feat of telepathy, which gives no bearing on the level of telepathic power or skill, there's not much at all to indicate he can fell Gladiator with telepathy, assuming he even has it.
So because Apocalypse has telepathic feats, but not enough mind blast feats, he can't attack Gladiator with telepathy? 🙄
In general:
To dodge a laser beam etc. does not mean having lightspeed reactions, otherwise Storm, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Captain America, all have "lightspeed reactions."
Apocalypse doesn't have lightspeed reactions.
"Fighting HE" or "Fighting Thor" or "Fighting Silver Surfer" in themselves aren't "feats."
Originally posted by Evil_AshDo elaborate?
It had something to do with him felling into Kang's machinery...
Originally posted by Apolloknight
When the bell rings, and Gladiator accelerates to FTL speeds (He has traveled 100 times the speed of light before, traversed hyperspace, etc) what is apoc going to do?
You also have to realize that Gladiator can forget about that speed on Earth.
Still, he would be much faster than Apocalypse.
But Apocalypse at least proved in weakened state that he can easily react with Quicksilver speed.
Then again, he was also dodging with morphing his body PE Ikaris energy attacks, which means he again easily reacted in time. Those attacks should go far faster than Quicksilver can run, or shoud they actually go at speed of light.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Has there been anything like this recently? Does it look like there might be something like this in the future? I'm not trying attack Apocalypse here, its just that I don't read the X-Books regularly and I'm curious about the recent handling of this character against the 616 world stage.
Well, there have been on such occasion. When Cable said to Iron-Man and Thor that Apocalypse is such a threat, that he rules the future and that actually such a threat, that such as Iron-Man, Thor, no records about them, like they never even existed.
Last he appeared in X-Men issue, Avengers, X-Men battled him.
He was also very weakened and took the best shot from Iceman easily (according to Iceman word, he said he gave everything he had, which wasn't enough for a weakened Apocalypse).
Originally posted by llagrok
Unfortunately Pulse was able to affect and almost cancel out his powers though.
Yes, but for a very, very short time (and let's say, when he was around Rogue, he immediately effortlessly canceled her powers). He couldn't hold it long time, which indicates that Apocalypse had too much power for him.
Or actually, Pulse could only weaken a weakened Apocalypse for a very short time.
As I remember Apocalypse himself using his abilities turned Ozymandias into a stone.
I should go look up for Rise of Apocalypse again.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
When and where has Apocalypse ever exhibited time manipulation may I ask, btw?
That is a weird one.
I have the scan, but I don't know where it is. It shows Wolverine (As Horseman, Death) going through the past and experiencing old fights with opponents such as Hulk. Then at the end, Apocalypse pops out of nowhere, telling him that the past is gone or something.
It can be assumed that whatever is happening, it's done by technology.
Originally posted by Evil_AshI found the scans you're referring to I think.
That is a weird one.I have the scan, but I don't know where it is. It shows Wolverine (As Horseman, Death) going through the past and experiencing old fights with opponents such as Hulk. Then at the end, Apocalypse pops out of nowhere, telling him that the past is gone or something.
Originally posted by Evil_AshThat would be my assumption - but I don't think it would actually require time manipulation at all... at least from what I saw... Celestial tech Danger Room type deal.
It can be assumed that whatever is happening, it's done by technology.
So...
- The circumstances surrounding Ozymandias turning to stone involve him interacting with Kang's technology and absorbing millennia of knowledge.
- Wolverine reliving past experiences (regardless of if he actually traveled in time to do so) likely involves technology.
- Also on a semi-related note, I've seen the Scarab Beast thing from Black Knight and Exodus... and there's nothing to suggest matter manipulation... it just looks like it rose out from the ground in an explosion.
- And the turning of his harbinger into a bomb thing - technokinesis.
- I've only seen gross telekinetic feats from Apocalypse, with regard to anything non technological.
So... (and this isn't particularly directed at you Evil_Ash) where exactly does one derive that Apocalypse sans preparation, and in a neutral battleground has the substantive ability to rearrange matter, manipulate time and/or reality.
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Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Uh, no.I think you're confusing Sphinx with the other Egyptian Mutant, The Living Monolith.
Who was created by, and easily one-shotted by on several occasions, you guessed it, Apocalypse. 😛
Originally posted by Soljer
I dunno who to root for...Both characters are kinda crappy...
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