M. Bison vs Kyo Kusanagi and Iori Yagami

Originally posted by Sado22
Of course. i officially rock. 😎

as for this thread....Kyo and Iori aren't twelve girls with some fancy mojjo. They are the real deal. between the two, they have pwned so many hightiers and godtiers its not even funny. And i am not even talking about hightiers that apparently wiped out a city with EXTERNAL power...................i'm talking about destroying the planet. his name was Orochi....and he was taken down hard. Igniz was another that was taken down.

Kyo feats:
-surviving a battle with Iori
-wrecking the NESTS base with ONE move that he had stopped using since KoF95.
-capable of vaporizing people if he is so inclined (as seen in KoFKYO).

Iori feats:
-stronger than Geonitz (Vice and mature said so. i don't see any point in debating it further, considering that he has been proven that he is time and time again starting from KoF97)
-taking on entire cast of KoF97 for a long time
-defeating Orochi Yashiro in one-on-one battle...who is stronger than Goenitz
-taking out entire teams on his own in KoF97
-neutralizing a god. period.

Bison feats:
-beat an old gouken
-capable of (apparently since i'm looking for a solid proof) destroying cities
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That about sums it up. Bison was put to retreat by a shoryuken from Ryu, 12 girls, was engaged in combat long enough by Charlie and in SFA2 was defeated by Rose.

Kyo Iori win 10/10

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
yes. 10/10. 10 on 10.
Bison is ****ing overrated on this forums. The guy retreats from 12 girls for ****'s sake?! how tough could he be?! **** bison! **** his mother if he had one! stupid red uniform wearing ****** deserves to die for how overrated he is. **** his pansy gay ass! **** HIM!

he runs away from ryu, ken, sakura and sagat. runs away from 12 dolls who are lowtiers of the series....to the point that cammy alone took down 2 of them on her own in a two-on-one fight. and cammy is not even a hightier. he lost to Rose in one-on-one fight.
his only feat is destryoing a city....which he never did cuz he's ****ing pansy. aside from that he did what? nothing. all he has ever done is get his ****ing gayass handed to him by little girls and losers. **** bison.

anyone here wants to get me banned for swearing and flaming, go ahead anmd ****ing do it. i'm sick of this ****ing shit. **** BISON.

Originally posted by Sado22
you wanna run that by me again? you insist i am overrating him because i am giving you a legimate proof for it while simultaneously acknowledging the you're not an expert?

okay brain, since your my buddy i'll calm down and go over it again:
-the best proof we have is that Vice and Mature, two Orochi women who have been serving the likes of Geonitz and Rugal and now Iori considered him stronger. they are certainly in a position to make that kind of claim because they are the watchers. THIS alone is a solid proof. saying that they said this due to personal feelings for Iori is rubbish and retarded because a) they dont and b) there is no proof of that. what is certain is that they said it. and they are in the position to say so. they are OROCHI WOMEN. And keepers/watchers of that power. NO ONE is more qualified to make that assumption. I am not going to defend this point again. not against you. and not against Darkstorm.
-KoF97 Iori in riot mode tears everyone a new one until he is FINALLY subdued after a combined effort of the entire cast of KoF97 (aside from clark and ralf). losing to entire cast>>>losing to two people and being KILLED.
-KoF97, Iori defeated Orochi Yashiro in one on one combat. this is another fact, that Goenitz is not as strong as these three. Chris was literally the VESSEL for Orochi and these two were there near Orochi's awakening. in fact it was practically there seconds before his awakening. Canonwise, Orochi influence when stronger causes increase in power (Iori going into riot, Leona's awakening and thier strength). And the final proof that o.yashiro and the rest were stronger than gonutz is the fact that it is clearly stated that they are. why do people argue with canon facts is beyond my understanding.

there are more, but these three should suffice.

~Sado
P.S. **** BISON

Originally posted by Sado22
the only thing that is apparent is that:
-i am not in a good mood
-and i hate bison

i never hid the fact that i hate bison. everyone knew it loud and clear. as for the extensive swears words...i was pissedoff. sue me.

magatama plot device? i don't consider it a plot device the same way i don't consider the justice shoryuken the plot device. [b]YOU on the other consider the justice shoryuken a fair display of Ryu's powers while call the flames a plot device. who is biased now?
Kyo and Iori's single biggest feat? right..........because turning the NESTS base into debris with an obselete move is probably another plot device.

get your eyes fixed. the only thing i do is make fun of Ryu's euncuh-ness. i never called Charlie a loser since he's one of my fav SF characters. i don't call guile a loser but i don't like him either.
the dolls are lowtiers and you agreed. 12 lowtiers making a godtier run away is a lesser degree of jobbing than 2 hightiers defeating a godtier, darko with the help of another hightier (kagura)? stop being so biased.

we had this discussion before and while i brought you solid proof....all you did was squat and revel in your denial. seriously....Vice and mature are two orochi power keepers that have been keeping a watch on the power and its users for years and their word holds no weight before you highness'?
your argument was flawed since day one. stop being ridiculous.

as for Goenitz and O. Yashiro not only did i bring you proof AGAIN i also commented that not only is O.Chris the vessel of Orochi but all three of them appeared at the eve of Orochi's rebirth meaning that they were at the height of their power.

and finally, losing to an entire cast of KoF97>>>>>losing to two people and DYING.

and if you want to debate weakened form, AGAIN i brought you solid proof from the video of how Ash said his power is declining. after that you produced yet another wave of your mumbojumbo....while ignoring a clear proof infront of you. its been your oldest talent.
practically all of your arguments regarding this matter have been flawed and laden with mumbojumbo while ignoring clear hints and trying (emphasis on TRYING) to dismiss them with rubbish like "vice and mature may say that out of personal feelings for Iori".
get real, darko. get real.

sao? wins? man your keyboard still sucks eh?
and all i said was that i'm debating it again. not with brainchild and not with you. how am i throwing your name to the wind, dark. wtf?

~Sado [/B]

Nice job.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
10/10 Sado?

Originally posted by Sado22
yes. 10/10. 10 on 10.
Bison is ****ing overrated on this forums. The guy retreats from 12 girls for ****'s sake?! how tough could he be?! **** bison! **** his mother if he had one! stupid red uniform wearing ****** deserves to die for how overrated he is. **** his pansy gay ass! **** HIM!

he runs away from ryu, ken, sakura and sagat. runs away from 12 dolls who are lowtiers of the series....to the point that cammy alone took down 2 of them on her own in a two-on-one fight. and cammy is not even a hightier. he lost to Rose in one-on-one fight.
his only feat is destryoing a city....which he never did cuz he's ****ing pansy. aside from that he did what? nothing. all he has ever done is get his ****ing gayass handed to him by little girls and losers. **** bison.

anyone here wants to get me banned for swearing and flaming, go ahead anmd ****ing do it. i'm sick of this ****ing shit. **** BISON.

I pissed him off! 💃

You incited him to speak the undeniable truth.

He made some valid points....but it still cracks me up how what little I said caused him to throw a fit.

He made some valid points....but it still cracks me up how what little I said caused him to throw a fit

and what exactly are the SOME valid points i've made. i've brought up nothing but facts so far, unlike certain individuals.
and please remind...what's been your contribution to this thread thus far?

~Sado

WTF...why are you so angry Sado?

I did state you made valid points instead of saying you're a fanboy and you under rated Bison and yet you get angry PMIng me saying I bring your name up in every thread. I had nothing to do with your personal issues. Please consider this before throwing another sissy fit over the internet.

WTF...why are you so angry Sado?

I did state you made valid points instead of saying you're a fanboy and you under rated Bison and yet you get angry PMIng me saying I bring your name up in every thread. I had nothing to do with your personal issues. Please consider this before throwing another sissy fit over the internet.

and i asked how come you're bringing up my name in so many threads...even when i have nothing to do with them?

who is angry at YOU anyway? 😕
i already said just above your reply that it had nothing to do with you.

~Sado

So now whenever someone mentions who's pummeled Bison to a pulp and points out his limitations/weak points, we have a few people whining that he's being underrated. Nice. 😂

Doesn't matter...

Gouki can beat all three at the same time

<.<

Besides my comment about how Lana owned your illegal thread I haven't mentioned your name in other threads in a while. That was nothing personal. Every time Lana pawns someone the world needs to know...like when she wtfpawned a rookie mod.

dur

As for the bison stuff...I don't care much about it and that's the reason why I don't debate it. You want to state it's a fact Bison loses 10/10 fine by me.

As for the bison stuff...I don't care much about it and that's the reason why I don't debate it. You want to state it's a fact Bison loses 10/10 fine by me

other then that, all is cool. sorry for annoying you too. 🙂

Originally posted by Sado22
you wanna run that by me again? you insist i am overrating him because i am giving you a legimate proof for it while simultaneously acknowledging the you're not an expert?

okay brain, since your my buddy i'll calm down and go over it again:
-the best proof we have is that Vice and Mature, two Orochi women who have been serving the likes of Geonitz and Rugal and now Iori considered him stronger. they are certainly in a position to make that kind of claim because they are the watchers. THIS alone is a solid proof. saying that they said this due to personal feelings for Iori is rubbish and retarded because a) they dont and b) there is no proof of that. what is certain is that they said it. and they are in the position to say so. they are OROCHI WOMEN. And keepers/watchers of that power. NO ONE is more qualified to make that assumption. I am not going to defend this point again. not against you. and not against Darkstorm.
-KoF97 Iori in riot mode tears everyone a new one until he is FINALLY subdued after a combined effort of the entire cast of KoF97 (aside from clark and ralf). losing to entire cast>>>losing to two people and being KILLED.

Originally posted by Sado22
-KoF97, Iori defeated Orochi Yashiro in one on one combat. this is another fact, that Goenitz is not as strong as these three. Chris was literally the VESSEL for Orochi and these two were there near Orochi's awakening. in fact it was practically there seconds before his awakening. Canonwise, Orochi influence when stronger causes increase in power (Iori going into riot, Leona's awakening and thier strength). And the final proof that o.yashiro and the rest were stronger than gonutz is the fact that it is clearly stated that they are. why do people argue with canon facts is beyond my understanding.

there are more, but these three should suffice.

~Sado
P.S. **** BISON

Even if one of those 2 peeps was the guy who fought the cast? Sorry, but @the end of the day what those 2 lovely ladies think doesn't really mean anything. Everybody's got an opinion mane.

and stop acting like that's the only point i raised brain. at the end of the day my main pont was him pwning O.Yashiro who is stronger than Go-my-nuts.

I need to see this thing stating that O.Yash was stronger than Gonitz.

~Sado
*effort being, reopening those links i sent you all that time ago and reading the part where they talk of KoF97😉

I agree with Sado's assessment of the Orochi girls. I'll give him my vote.

For example it has more relevence and credibility than Charlie's thoughts of Bison leveling a city. And yet people here are bound and determined to use Charlie's point of view to claim M. Bison can actually do it.

I agree with Sado's assessment of the Orochi girls. I'll give him my vote.

For example it has more relevence and credibility than Charlie's thoughts of Bison leveling a city. And yet people here are bound and determined to use Charlie's point of view to claim M. Bison can actually do it

Originally posted by Sado22
the only thing that is apparent is that:
-i am not in a good mood
-and i hate bison

i never hid the fact that i hate bison. everyone knew it loud and clear. as for the extensive swears words...i was pissedoff. sue me.

I understand that you have personal problems right now, so I can forgive that.

Originally posted by Sado22
magatama plot device? i don't consider it a plot device the same way i don't consider the justice shoryuken the plot device. [b]YOU on the other consider the justice shoryuken a fair display of Ryu's powers while call the flames a plot device. who is biased now?
Kyo and Iori's single biggest feat? right..........because turning the NESTS base into debris with an obselete move is probably another plot device.[/B]

The Shoryuken is a technique, the Magatama is apower, similar to the way we describe the Dark Hadou, it's two completely different things.

AND, lets not forget, that the flames where the ONLY thing that hurt Orochi.

Compared to defeating a god? hell yes... and Goeenitz wrecked a city according to you with nothing but a power up... so which is it?

Originally posted by Sado22
get your eyes fixed. the only thing i do is make fun of Ryu's euncuh-ness. i never called Charlie a loser since he's one of my fav SF characters. i don't call guile a loser but i don't like him either.
the dolls are lowtiers and you agreed. 12 lowtiers making a godtier run away is a lesser degree of jobbing than 2 hightiers defeating a godtier, darko with the help of another hightier (kagura)? stop being so biased.

You, in a single sentence, called everyone who defeated Bison in Alpha 3 losers.

you also forget that Bison was getting hammered by more than just the Dolls... Plus, even if they are lowtiers (You know I never rely on Tiers) they ain't schoolgirls or even normal humans...

Originally posted by Sado22
we had this discussion before and while i brought you solid proof....all you did was squat and revel in your denial. seriously....Vice and mature are two orochi power keepers that have been keeping a watch on the power and its users for years and their word holds no weight before you highness'?
your argument was flawed since day one. stop being ridiculous.

Who had been out of action serving Rugal for ages, meanwhile Goewnitz outright TKOed Kyo, something Iori can't do... sorry, but your quote pales to this fact alone.

Originally posted by Sado22
as for Goenitz and O. Yashiro not only did i bring you proof AGAIN i also commented that not only is O.Chris the vessel of Orochi but all three of them appeared at the eve of Orochi's rebirth meaning that they were at the height of their power.

And this makes them stronger than Goenit'z how? the only one stronger than him was Chris, because the kid was the Avatar.

Originally posted by Sado22
and finally, losing to an entire cast of KoF97>>>>>losing to two people and DYING.

WTF are you on about? Orochi only faced the three treasures (Their power acting as a plot device, no matter how much you love to deny it.), and Goenitz only fought both Kyo and Iori... NEXT.

Originally posted by Sado22
and if you want to debate weakened form, AGAIN i brought you solid proof from the video of how Ash said his power is declining. after that you produced yet another wave of your mumbojumbo....while ignoring a clear proof infront of you. its been your oldest talent.
practically all of your arguments regarding this matter have been flawed and laden with mumbojumbo while ignoring clear hints and trying (emphasis on TRYING) to dismiss them with rubbish like "vice and mature may say that out of personal feelings for Iori".
get real, darko. get real.

They get dismissed based on actual facts rather than vague quotations that you seem to run wild with... you can't even explain simply why they work the way they do, instead you rely purely on the quotres and screww over every other equally or higher feat shown against it...

Originally posted by Sado22
sao? wins? man your keyboard still sucks eh?
and all i said was that i'm debating it again. not with brainchild and not with you. how am i throwing your name to the wind, dark. wtf?

~Sado

You brought my name up in a debate I had no intention of entering... I see my name, I'll defend myself against slander and/or efamation and/or false accusation.

I understand that you have personal problems right now, so I can forgive that.

The Shoryuken is a technique, the Magatama is apower, similar to the way we describe the Dark Hadou, it's two completely different things AND, lets not forget, that the flames where the ONLY thing that hurt Orochi. Compared to defeating a god? hell yes... and Goeenitz wrecked a city according to you with nothing but a power up... so which is it?

and while we're at it, the flames aren't the big deal either. the previous kusanagi's and yagami's didn't seal it because of the flames, it was because they were strong. if flames is all there is to it, the Shingo can also weild flames.....you think he'll do in Orochi now do you?🙂

flames aren't the only thing that can hurt Orochi nor are they a special bloodline power...otherwise Shingo wouldn't be able to weild them.

and finally, the moves are specific in order to seal orochi:
-san shingi no ni, is the move Iori does to seal Orochi
-san shingo no ichi, is the move Kyo uses to putoff Orochi.....or its the Orochinagi which everone...i can't remember at hte moment. but the moves are specific.

as the legend states, the three families used flames and their martial arts before Orochi even appeared! the flames weren't the key to orochi nor is it orochi's kryptonite. its all BS made by the sf wankers and the kyoiori haters. no where does it say that Orochi is vulnerable to the flames. its Kyo's destiny because that's what his family does. its iori's destiny because that's what his family does.

You, in a single sentence, called everyone who defeated Bison in Alpha 3 losers

you also forget that Bison was getting hammered by more than just the Dolls... Plus, even if they are lowtiers (You know I never rely on Tiers) they ain't schoolgirls or even normal humans...

Who had been out of action serving Rugal for ages, meanwhile Goewnitz outright TKOed Kyo, something Iori can't do... sorry, but your quote pales to this fact alone.

And this makes them stronger than Goenit'z how? the only one stronger than him was Chris, because the kid was the Avatar

WTF are you on about? Orochi only faced the three treasures (Their power acting as a plot device, no matter how much you love to deny it.), and Goenitz only fought both Kyo and Iori... NEXT.

They get dismissed based on actual facts rather than vague quotations that you seem to run wild with... you can't even explain simply why they work the way they do, instead you rely purely on the quotres and screw over every other equally or higher feat shown against it...

oh and i'm the guy who is denying Geonitz's feats? this is coming from the guy who thinks that because Geonitz wrecked a city with a powerup, he can't beat someone like Bison who has NEVER done something remotely close? this coming from the guy who insists that even though he wrecked a city with a powerup, he can't beat Mr-I-sink-island? come on! if he wrecks cities with powerups i am more than certain he can do a LOT worse with his full power.

You brought my name up in a debate I had no intention of entering... I see my name, I'll defend myself against slander and/or efamation and/or false accusation

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
i wasn't asking for your forgiveness. nor was i explaining myself. i was responding to your "oh you bison hater is obvious now" stuff.

Which is obvious, even through your unusually hostile attitue.

Originally posted by Sado22
the main point is not the flames. i already told you that it has nothing to do with bloodline because:
-for one, we know that anyone can learn the kusanagi-ryu and yagami-ryu as is obvious in KoFKYo where Iori explains to Kyo that he will never teach yagami-flame techniques to anyone but a yagami
-the flames aren't a big deal. they are just the family power. like how electricity is the mishima bloodline power or how the blue flames is the Howard family power (kain, rock, geese). this is further proved by the fact that Shingo a nonkusanagi can also weild flames.

and while we're at it, the flames aren't the big deal either. the previous kusanagi's and yagami's didn't seal it because of the flames, it was because they were strong. if flames is all there is to it, the Shingo can also weild flames.....you think he'll do in Orochi now do you?🙂

flames aren't the only thing that can hurt Orochi nor are they a special bloodline power...otherwise Shingo wouldn't be able to weild them.

and finally, the moves are specific in order to seal orochi:
-san shingi no ni, is the move Iori does to seal Orochi
-san shingo no ichi, is the move Kyo uses to putoff Orochi.....or its the Orochinagi which everone...i can't remember at hte moment. but the moves are specific.

as the legend states, the three families used flames and their martial arts before Orochi even appeared! the flames weren't the key to orochi nor is it orochi's kryptonite. its all BS made by the sf wankers and the kyoiori haters. no where does it say that Orochi is vulnerable to the flames. its Kyo's destiny because that's what his family does. its iori's destiny because that's what his family does.

The Kusanagi an Yagami flames arn't normal flames... comparing them to Shingo's is utterly pointless... Their flames are that of the Magatama. The Magatama flames are what Seale OIrochi the first time, an thats why they do it again in 97, no mortal has the power to overcome an immortal Sado... they neither had the strength, nor the power to match him any other way...

Originally posted by Sado22
get your eyes fixed, darko....

Blow me...

Originally posted by Sado22
we went through this before, and aside from you no one else thinks the way you do. everyone is fine following tiamat's guide and that is what i'll be following as well.
fact of the matter is this:
he faced 12 lowtiers with infinite amount of energy and recharge and was still forced to retreat, and was overwhelmed by the justice shoryuken too.

Ad populem arguments Sado? I don't care who or how many side with my oppinion. Tiamat isn't the most relyable source, since it's still his oppinion.

Being overrun by the Doll's each of whom have a subtle influence on the Drive is by no means a bad defeat...

And what? being fefeated by a Shoryuken is ba because?... it's Ryu? even after fighting 4 people?

Originally posted by Sado22
AGES?! 😆
what's with the exaggeration. rugal died in KoF95 and Vice and Mature were with him till the end. Goenitz only showed up in KoF96 and that's the same year Iori was joined by vice and mature. less than a year, darko. not AGES.
right, because Iori practically laid out Kyo, something which Goenitz didn't do either times....in a weakend state.
sorry but YOU aint making sense, bud. again.

Mature and Vice worked for Rugal for 10 years... you know, WHEN he aquired his Orochi power?

WTF?! Goenitz hospitalised Kyo in their first bout.

An again, Iori was NOT weakened... will you stop it? your making an ass out of yourself every time you o this... you try to make feats seem more impressive than they are with claims like that.

Originally posted by Sado22
what makes them stronger is this:
-that they were around at the dawn of Orochi's awakening
-and they are SAID TO BE STRONGER. no matter what you say, it won't change it.

Said to be.... again you jump on vague quotation. saying "This person A feeels stronger than person B was" is not a countermanding argument for who has simply done more powerul and impressive stuff.

Originally posted by Sado22
....what are you on about?
we're comparing Iori and Geonitz, pal, not geonitz and Orochi. or do you think that geonitz is stronger than Orochi too now?

No, I'm not... I got mixed up slightly..

Ok, Iori, Didn't fight them all at once for starters, he didn't do a Rugal.

Goenitz wrecked that Stadium in his apperance...

Originally posted by Sado22
right. so wait, you're still denying that Iori is stronger than Gonitz despite:
-Iori being more impressive
-Iori laying out Kyo, someone Goenitz couldn't do BOTH times they fought
-Iori did it in a weaker condidtion
-and finally the fact that Iori is CONSIDERED stronger
get real, darko.

oh and i'm the guy who is denying Geonitz's feats? this is coming from the guy who thinks that because Geonitz wrecked a city with a powerup, he can't beat someone like Bison who has NEVER done something remotely close? this coming from the guy who insists that even though he wrecked a city with a powerup, he can't beat Mr-I-sink-island? come on! if he wrecks cities with powerups i am more than certain he can do a LOT worse with his full power.

I aressed all those points where they where.

I never said he couldn't beat Bison, but I am saying he can't beat Akuma, because for everything Goenitz did, Akuma's destrcutive feats are more impressive. An powering up to full power could very well be all he can do.

Oh an it was you who originally sai Goenitz wrecke a City, not me, I only think he did the Stadium. consiering thats all you see.

Originally posted by Sado22
come on dude. what you say holds true ONLY if these two were some random iori fan girls. but they are not. there is NO ONE more qualified to make that judgement than these two. you're missing the obvious fact.

and stop acting like that's the only point i raised brain. at the end of the day my main pont was him pwning O.Yashiro who is stronger than Go-my-nuts.

i am not posting anything for you, brain. learn to make an effort*.

~Sado
*effort being, reopening those links i sent you all that time ago and reading the part where they talk of KoF97😉

WTF?! Goenitz hospitalised Kyo in their first bout.

True dat.

An again, Iori was NOT weakened... will you stop it? your making an ass out of yourself every time you o this... you try to make feats seem more impressive than they are with claims like that.

No offense, but he was a bit weakened thus allowing Ash to beat him easily, either that or Ash is just crazy powerful...