Originally posted by 2damnloud
Has magneto ever teleported molecules to the sun?Has she shown the ability to manipulate any radiation other than a photon or two?
Magneto can open a wormhole concieveable to anywhere in spacetime he chooses. And photons are the quantum of ALL EM energy/radiation including heat so the question is, can Iceman overpower Magneto? Doubtful. What's he gonna do, get past Magneto's life support field and alter his body temperature? That's asking a lot of Bobby IMO.
Originally posted by Surfer's Rules
Magneto can open a wormhole concieveable to anywhere in spacetime he chooses. And photons are the quantum of ALL EM energy/radiation including heat so the question is, can Iceman overpower Magneto? Doubtful. What's he gonna do, get past Magneto's life support field and alter his body temperature? That's asking a lot of Bobby IMO.
Question, how many times has magneto opened a wormhole and what were the circumstances?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Question, how many times has magneto opened a wormhole and what were the circumstances?
He created one in House of M...because he wanted to.
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Originally posted by Surfer's Rules
He created one in House of M...because he wanted to.http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur0822gi2.jpg
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The non-cannon, House of M. 😬
Originally posted by Surfer's Rules
Magneto can open a wormhole concieveable to anywhere in spacetime he chooses. And photons are the quantum of ALL EM energy/radiation including heat so the question is, can Iceman overpower Magneto? Doubtful. What's he gonna do, get past Magneto's life support field and alter his body temperature? That's asking a lot of Bobby IMO.
This doesn't mean he can control all EM radiation.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
This doesn't mean he can control all EM radiation.
NOt to mention, do it at the snap of a finger
Doubtful
NOT to mention
is taht wormhole going to instantainously suck iceman in?
On the other hand, If magneto were to put up a shield, how would iceman get withinn the shield to manipulate, or directly injure magneto? hasnt his shield been able to block manipulation from the inside in the past"/?
Originally posted by Surfer's RulesIn a raw power v. power battle Mags has no hope of winning.Iceman can simply put out more power and last longer than mags.Iceman can just lower the temperature enough to render mags shield obsolete.And they is a point where superconductivity stops and Iceman can do it easily.
Not from everuone, but he is from Iceman IMO. Iceman would have counter and override Magneto's similar powers to accomplish anything in this fight and I doubt he can.
Originally posted by superbatman86
In a raw power v. power battle Mags has no hope of winning.Iceman can simply put out more power and last longer than mags.Iceman can just lower the temperature enough to render mags shield obsolete.And they is a point where superconductivity stops and Iceman can do it easily.
Your opinion is valid but I respectfully disagree. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but if they do meet in a comic, I'm damn sure putting my bank account and home on Magneto. You can put everything on Iceman, PLEASE!!! I need the money.
Originally posted by superbatman86
In a raw power v. power battle Mags has no hope of winning.Iceman can simply put out more power and last longer than mags.Iceman can just lower the temperature enough to render mags shield obsolete.And they is a point where superconductivity stops and Iceman can do it easily.
At what point does superconductivity stop? Also, forgive me if this is false but I think that the shield is due only to Magneto's manipulation of magnetic fields to create an electromagnetic force field. So I am of the opinion that superconductivity has little to do with the shield. Given that superconductivity is just a phenomenon that has nothing to do with magnetos mutant ability to generate/manipulate magnetic fields.
Here are some things I pulled out from minor wiki searching.
Superconductivity is a phenomenon occurring in certain materials at extremely low temperatures, characterized by exactly zero electrical resistance and the exclusion of the interior magnetic field (the Meissner effect).
The electrical resistivity of a metallic conductor decreases gradually as the temperature is lowered
and
Electrical resistivity (also known as specific electrical resistance) is a measure of how strongly a material opposes the flow of electric current.
So I get the gist that superconductivity as a phenomenon might actually help Magneto if things go too “cool”. Please correct me if I am ignorant of something because this is absolutely not my area of study and is also not my real response to your comment.
Now back to addressing your statement. I do know that Iceman is an omega mutant so it might be said that he has unlimited potential to unleash limitless power etc. However what I ask now is can the Iceman that currently exists unleash this potential? I say no until shown otherwise. Also, having been to the respect threads and looking around the net I do not see Iceman as having outperformed Magneto in sheer feats. So your claims of outlasting and over powering etc I am not so convinced of.
Saying that Iceman can render Magnetos shield useless through temperature control is something that I haven’t quite bought into. Magneto’s ability is one of manipulation, just like Iceman’s. If we assume that the reason an electromagnetic force field becomes weakened is due to the slow down of electrons through cold temperatures, than what stops Magneto from manipulating the field in such a way that he speeds them back up to re-strengthen the field ; or why not through his might of will stop the field from weakening by never allowing the electrons to slow down etc.. I assure you that Magneto has not just been moving already existing magnetic fields around to perform his feats. All of his stunts require the increase, decrease, and overall manipulation/mastery of magnetic fields to perform. So I do believe that he can control and generate a field that is resistant to these chilly effects. There is no evidence to suggest that he cannot do this. Instead there is evidence for it. When he flies through space I’m sure he has to factor in temperature in his generation of the force field(yes this is a weak point as Iceman can generate temperatures more cold than this, however it just goes to show that this is nothing Magneto isn’t familiar with). The rest of the evidence lies in the sheer explanation of his powers. Generate/control/manipulate magnetic fields. I’m most certain that he can also control the strength levels of said fields.
Also possibly having nothing to do with this but maybe, here is something I found on the net.
Why are magnets stronger when they are in colder temperatures?
Dr. Livingston answers on January 28, 2004:
Most ferromagnets gradually lose a bit of their magnetism as temperature increases. Ferromagnetic ordering results from the "exchange force" between net spins on neighboring atoms, but increasing temperature leads to an increase in thermal disorder - a classic example of the competing goals of lower energy (via increased spin order) and higher entropy (via increased spin disorder). Entropy eventually wins at a sufficiently high temperature. Low temperature favors order, high temperature favors disorder. Above the Curie temperature, individual iron atoms still retain a magnetization from net spin, but the spins are now randomly directed and iron is paramagnetic.
That might be enough, unless you want to add that the effect of temperature is usually treated theoretically with thermodynamic models and minimization of free energy E-TS, which includes both energy E and entropy S.
Increasing temperature of course also leads to increasing atomic vibrations, and in permanent magnets, this can lead to the thermal unpinning of domain walls and a coercivity (called magnetic "hardness" in Driving Force) that decreases with temperature more rapidly than the basic ferromagnetism itself (and its saturation magnetization). So temperature usually has a greater effect on "hard" or permanent magnets than on "soft" or temporary magnets.
