Originally posted by leonidas
😕the midnight sun battle shows little. he was a martial artist who tagged ss loads of times. the hulk swinging and missing? meh. third scan has always amused me -- he's talking to himself saying he has only a nano-second. 😂 but that's more thought processing speed. i used that scan in a tournament. 🙂 i have no idea how the morg battle translates to combat-speed. nor the ravenous battle. nor the lunatic battle. i guess he moved out of the way of wonderman, who is hardly a speedster . . . the skrull one is all right i suppose -- i mean he dodged and attacked but it was hardly spidey/supermanesque . . . vs thor (where he was amped by loki) and the abomination i don't see any way at all that they support your cause. the legacy example (which i'd forgotten) is prolly your best one, but you missed the single best example of his speed in a battle. 😬
And yet, Surfer evaded him, and knocked him out.
The Hulk was like a foot away from Surfer, and if we judge by art, his fist should have went through Surfer.
He has to react as well as think... 😉
In the Morg one, he was far away, using superspeed, punched him using speed, and then rammed his board into his head.
In the Ravenous one, without his board, he hit him from the front, and then hit him from the back... 😖hifty:
How did he get behind him, other than reflexes?
Without his board, he dodged everything Lunatic threw at him...
Wonder Man is still fast, I mean, he's reacted to Gladiator's blitzes.
The problem is, you'll never see him leaping around like Spider-Man, because that's not the way he fights.
Combat speed, doesn't necessarily mean Spider-Man/Superman style.
When he fought Thor, he was also weakened by the sonic shark, before those comics, so it balances out.
Also, he hammered Thor relentlessly throughout that whole fight.
With the Abom one, he beat on him and Abom couldn't react. Although that could be attributed to fighting skills.
But maybe both of those needed the whole fight to show it?
You see, I got rid of almost all my Surfer comics, so I'm forced to use others, of his showings, or the odd one that I put in imageshack before I got rid of them.
Anyway, are you talking about when he blitzed all the ships in Annihilation?
Because if you are, I was trying to keep it to single combat.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm thinking we aren't seeing combat-speed in the same way . . . it's irrelevent anyway because i already said i believe he could match supes speed even in close quarter battle.
Not at all, I know.
As I said, it doesn't have to be Superman, or Spider-Man like, to show reflexes, and combat speed.
Of course, but still, people like to rag on his combat speed all the time.
And, like you said, you could only think of two, so I decided to put more than that, and just equal to twice as much of the things you said that Supes has probably used T-Vo.
Originally posted by leonidas
as for the last bit of your post -- i assume that was directed at me specifically? i assume you're alluding to the fact that i switched to t-vo as a way to beat ss? i had previously rattled off several ways the MB could amp superman to the point where he would beat ss. those on the ss's side didn't buy any of it, and were clearly not about to. even if i showed scans of each ability i listed, people refuse to think he could USE those abilities. i don't care enough to try and debate page after page against a brick wall so i brought up t-vo as one more option. he wouldn't need it imo, but it was and remains a viable option.
Meh, it's just T-Vo in specific, and you happened to bring it up, and at the same time, were questioning his speed.
I fail to see him using it in battle, that much on the boards, and especially against speedy opponents. I also thought it needed time to be used...
Not trying to completely rule that out here, but from the looks of your first post, it seems that this is Superman from the H/P saga, which happened many years before he got T-Vo...
I know why you brought it up, it's just that the whole T-Vo/Surfer speed comparison thing.
