Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doomsday is immune to Tp as demonstrated by Bloodwyne. who was actually MM. No go there. And for this thread, Superman has the MB and Apok Tech. We know that The MB's can convert matter into energy and vice verse as well as a host of other abilities. I say that superman gives surfer a tuff fight with no outside aids. So Adding the Mb is just over kill.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So you're saying that you have no proof of what Supes can/will do in the fight?
Avalon already posted the T-vo stuff and juntai just named the MB stuff. What else could i add. The only thing I added was that surfer has been pwned by both of those techniques in ONE story.
Originally posted by darthgooberYes, that whole section I said 'lmao' to was bullshit, and you know it.
Was there something inaccurate in my post?The same can be said of GL rings...
And no, GL rings aren't the same. You don't require willpower, fearlessness and imagination to use a Motherbox. Only that the motherbox has chosen to help you.
Another bullshit tangent arguement.
It's getting funny how far you're going with this though.
Originally posted by Tyrant
Back.If there is only half a dozen, then I'll give just 12 of Surfer's...
These are all from different fights as well.http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9861/silversurfer198903014id3.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6703/silversurferannual0727mo1.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4984/annihilationsilversurfexs9.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9697/mcp175p12nw6.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5583/silversurferv308306ab3.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3581/silversurferv308517yp2.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2213/silversurferv3105p12mk3.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6692/silversurferv1004p042ul2.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8137/silversurfer1220ya5.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4025/p3silversurferv30901718yo6.jpg
No, I'm not really against either. I just find it funny, that people bring up Surfer's combat speed into question, and then bring up Superman's T-Vo, like their previous logic didn't mean anything...
😕
the midnight sun battle shows little. he was a martial artist who tagged ss loads of times. the hulk swinging and missing? meh. third scan has always amused me -- he's talking to himself saying he has only a nano-second. 😂 but that's more thought processing speed. i used that scan in a tournament. 🙂 i have no idea how the morg battle translates to combat-speed. nor the ravenous battle. nor the lunatic battle. i guess he moved out of the way of wonderman, who is hardly a speedster . . . the skrull one is all right i suppose -- i mean he dodged and attacked but it was hardly spidey/supermanesque . . . vs thor (where he was amped by loki) and the abomination i don't see any way at all that they support your cause. the legacy example (which i'd forgotten) is prolly your best one, but you missed the single best example of his speed in a battle. 😬
i'm thinking we aren't seeing combat-speed in the same way . . . it's irrelevent anyway because i already said i believe he could match supes speed even in close quarter battle.
as for the last bit of your post -- i assume that was directed at me specifically? i assume you're alluding to the fact that i switched to t-vo as a way to beat ss? i had previously rattled off several ways the MB could amp superman to the point where he would beat ss. those on the ss's side didn't buy any of it, and were clearly not about to. even if i showed scans of each ability i listed, people refuse to think he could USE those abilities. i don't care enough to try and debate page after page against a brick wall so i brought up t-vo as one more option. he wouldn't need it imo, but it was and remains a viable option.
and goob -- in the uni-lord saga ss was unable to free himself while his 'soul' was trapped. how many times has he been forcibly placed in some sort of 'other-dimension'?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Let's see...brought DS back from the brink of death, the motherbox healed his injuries mid batttle, came up with armor designed specifically for Doomsday, came up with weapons designed specifically for Doomsday, and eventually defeated him.Just curious.. did you ever actually read that story?
And I thought that Supes was unable to beat DD, which is why Waverider had to dump him off at the end of time?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Must be why Black Panther did just that recently with the same tech and physically beat the hell out of Surfer.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You have yet come up with a valid example of anyone getting out of it...especially when (yet again) people with Surfers powerset+ weren't able to do it..and Superman's will overimposing on Surfers power.We all know you're reaching, but I'll play along just like everyone else is.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And Supes has beaten people more powerful than SS. 🙂
Originally posted by darthgooberWaverider didn't dump anyone anywhere. Supes with the motherbox did.
I read it but it was a while ago. Anyway Surfer healed a Watcher, he's healed himself in battle, came up with various armors, weapon's, and devices several times so I fail to see how that puts him over Surfer.And I thought that Supes was unable to beat DD, which is why Waverider had to dump him off at the end of time?
Originally posted by leonidas👆
[Bi assume you're alluding to the fact that i switched to t-vo as a way to beat ss? i had previously rattled off several ways the MB could amp superman to the point where he would beat ss. those on the ss's side didn't buy any of it, and were clearly not about to. even if i showed scans of each ability i listed, people refuse to think he could USE those abilities. i don't care enough to try and debate page after page against a brick wall so i brought up t-vo as one more option. he wouldn't need it imo, but it was and remains a viable option.[/B]
Originally posted by leonidas
and goob -- in the uni-lord saga ss was unable to free himself while his 'soul' was trapped. how many times has he been forcibly placed in some sort of 'other-dimension'?
Anyway since you're the thread starter you can settle this, are we crediting Supes with everything the Motherbox has done(which is BS IMO), or what Supes personally accomplished?
If it's the former than Supes wins 10/10, but if it's the latter it becomes much closer.
Originally posted by Juntai
Waverider didn't dump anyone anywhere. Supes with the motherbox did.
At that point, Waveriders form had been destroyed because of Doomsday using Rider's own powers against him causing some sort of temporal backlash.
He eventually pulled himself back together and just time traveled to the same point in time as Superman and Doomsday were headed, and helped protect Superman from the entropy.
Originally posted by darthgooberNot that I'm totally doubting the posibillity, but I've seen some scans of his 'time travel', on the forum...unless you have new ones, I don't think the old ones showed the type of precision required, they were also very fishy, ambiguous and cropped at that.
Ah I see(like I said it's been a while), but that wouldn't really work against Surfer since he could just come back to the present.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yes, that whole section I said 'lmao' to was bullshit, and you know it.And no, GL rings aren't the same. You don't require willpower, fearlessness and imagination to use a Motherbox. Only that the motherbox has chosen to help you.
Another bullshit tangent argument.
It's getting funny how far you're going with this though.
Can a GL ring communicate with it's user?
Shouldn't a GL ring know what it's capable of?
Do any GL's have any feats where they boosted the mental attributes of someone?
Originally posted by darthgooberI got a better question.
A bullshit argument?Can a GL ring communicate with it's user?
Shouldn't a GL ring know what it's capable of?
Do any GL's have any feats where they boosted the mental attributes of someone?
Is this relative to Superman, a motherbox, or Surfer?
No.
GL ring is not a Motherbox. A Motherbox can communicate it's powers, or use them directly on it's own. It requires no willpower or imagination to work as a Green Lantern ring is written as requiring to even do basic functions. Likewise willpower doesn't make the power-levels of a motherbox fluctuate like a GL ring. Your pushing of this arguement is completely off base and only shows far bad you're reaching into the bullshit to find a shred of hope.
Originally posted by Juntai
Not that I'm totally doubting the posibillity, but I've seen some scans of his 'time travel', on the forum...unless you have new ones, I don't think the old ones showed the type of precision required, they were also very fishy, ambiguous and cropped at that.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=459252
Time travel is in the Misc feats section under Time/Space manipulation.
Originally posted by Juntai
I got a better question.Is this relative to Superman, a motherbox, or Surfer?
No.
GL ring is not a Motherbox. A Motherbox can communicate it's powers, or use them directly on it's own. It requires no willpower or imagination to work as a Green Lantern ring is written as requiring to even do basic functions. Likewise willpower doesn't make the power-levels of a motherbox fluctuate like a GL ring. Your pushing of this arguement is completely off base and only shows far bad you're reaching into the bullshit to find a shred of hope.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I read it but it was a while ago. Anyway Surfer healed a Watcher, he's healed himself in battle, came up with various armors, weapon's, and devices several times so I fail to see how that puts him over Surfer.And I thought that Supes was unable to beat DD, which is why Waverider had to dump him off at the end of time?
Waverider had nothing to do with it besides coming back with Supes. The motherbox adapted and took the neccesary action for victory.
Originally posted by darthgoober
They must've forgotten, what can I say. It's called PIS when someone forgets about one of their established abilities.
It's called a beatdown. Like what he would get by this threads rules. BP certainly remembered that it could be done. Because it doesn't vibe with you..it doesn't make it PIS. A lowly doombot is hardly a good example anyway.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But I've given several examples of him escaping a similar situation, and I haven't seen anything to suggest that he wouldn't be able to do the same here.
Those weren't similar situations. You're completely ignoring the fact that Superman's will is superimposing on Surfers powers and the fact that in your scans nothing was trying to prevent SS from coming or going and that he wasn't in battle. The fact that T-vo isn't just an astral plane but a reality warp also kills that whole argument.
Once again...SS is going nowhere...and you haven't shown any tangible way for SS to get out of T-vo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Then we're evidently at an impasse.
You just now noticed?
