Motherbox + Apokalips Tech Superman V Silver Surfer

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And superman Doesn't think and react at superspeed? how in the hell then does he navigate such far distances and make the right turns? 😄

I think this is fair response to someone's ridiculous attempt to ignore Surfer's obvious speed advantage. If people want to fudge the details I can do that too. Obviously Superman has to have quick thinking and reaction, just as it's obvious that Surfer doesn't lose his speed when he's in a fight. That's an offensive assertion.

Originally posted by llagrok
If the Hulk almost hits him, he's not moving particularly fast :/

He moving as fast as he needs to move. What the hell, is this how you always debate? The guy can cover a lightyear in an instant and you're tryna claim that he's not much faster than Hulk?! Is this the Twilight Zone?

Originally posted by llagrok
If the Hulk almost hits him, he's not moving particularly fast :/

Plus.

There's also the time when he was weaker (sonic shark) and used speed against Thor and other Asgardians, and a couple others.

We already see that he has reflexes allowing him to think and react in under a nano second. That plus his cosmic awareness makes Cassie Cain look like Ray Charles in a wheelchair.

Originally posted by leonidas
don't read a lot of dc do you? 😐

Originally posted by Surfer's Rules
Nah, not really. What does that have to do with anything.

Originally posted by Validus
ermmnone

kinda why i bailed on the discussion. 😬

ss does have very few combat speed examples to his name though. he does have a couple, but they ARE rare, and nowhere near as numerous, or impressive, as superman's. that's not fan-boy speak or braggodoccia -- that's simple fact.

and the transmutation powers is brought up all the time. in a battle, who exactly has he ever transmuted . . .?

Originally posted by leonidas
ss does have very few combat speed examples to his name though. he does have a couple, but they ARE rare, and nowhere near as numerous, or impressive, as superman's. that's not fan-boy speak or braggodoccia -- that's simple fact.

Not saying he'd win here, though.

Originally posted by Validus
ermmnone

Originally posted by Tyrant
He doesn't really have to do it though. He really only uses speed when he finds it necessary.

Not saying he'd win here, though.

that's a bit of a cop-out, ty. he's been hit by some pretty ridiculous shots (the fuggin rhino i think . . .) the overwhelming evidence says he can travel at ludicrous speeds, but in battle he almost never does.

not saying he can't, necessarily, just that it is FAR more out of character for him TO demonstrate extreme combat speed.

and i noticed you never gave your opinion on the matter. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
that's a bit of a cop-out, ty. he's been hit by some pretty ridiculous shots (the fuggin rhino i think . . .) the overwhelming evidence says he can travel at ludicrous speeds, but in battle he almost never does.

not saying he can't, necessarily, just that it is FAR more out of character for him TO demonstrate extreme combat speed.

and i noticed you never gave your opinion on the matter. 😉

The Flash, Superman, Wonder Woman, the SHAZAM brothers, and the Surfer have all been hit by some pretty ridiculous shots...😬.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's a bit of a cop-out, ty. he's been hit by some pretty ridiculous shots (the fuggin rhino i think . . .) the overwhelming evidence says he can travel at ludicrous speeds, but in battle he almost never does.

not saying he can't, necessarily, just that it is FAR more out of character for him TO demonstrate extreme combat speed.

and i noticed you never gave your opinion on the matter. 😉

The only time he uses speed really, is when he's faced with ridiculous odds, or multiple opponents.
Galactus, Tyrant, Thor and others, fleets, ships, etc.

Otherwise, he just blasts and shit.
Hell, even in the fight with Hulk, he toyed with him, and then stopped using super speed, got hit by Hulk's hardest blow, and then KO'ed Hulk.

Basically, if Surfer wants to, he can fight at super speed.
Just don't like people writing him off in that aspect right away, just because he doesn't do it in every fight (and neither does Superman surprisingly). It's not like Surfer can't fight Superman, if Supes tries to blitz.

I'm pretty sure I said Surfer'd lose earlier in this thread.

My mother has a box

Originally posted by leonidas
that's a bit of a cop-out, ty. he's been hit by some pretty ridiculous shots (the fuggin rhino i think . . .) the overwhelming evidence says he can travel at ludicrous speeds, but in battle he almost never does.

not saying he can't, necessarily, just that it is FAR more out of character for him TO demonstrate extreme combat speed.

and i noticed you never gave your opinion on the matter. 😉

So is your arguement that Surfer doesn't have the abilities he's demonstrated for decades, or are you saying they're just disallowed when fighting Superman? Let's get some legitimate arguements please. I know you can do better.

Originally posted by Surfer's Rules
So is your arguement that Surfer doesn't have the abilities he's demonstrated for decades, or are you saying they're just disallowed when fighting Superman? Let's get some legitimate arguements please. I know you can do better.

first, list for me the abilities i have disallowed, please. i stated rather clearly, ss almost NEVER demonstrates combat speed, and that the demonstration of said speed is out of character considering the dearth of examples that support it. i've also requested proof that he can transmute someone of supe's level (hell of ANY level in a battle) since that has ALSO been alleged as a possible way for ss to win this so easily.

second, you are apparently contending ss has demonstrated combat speed prowess 'for decades'. you have also repeatedly requested scans and evidence.

so, i await your decades worth of scans that demonstrate the ss's unrivalled combat speed -- not travel speed -- combat speed. 🙂

basically, your entire argument this thread has (1) been stated without proof of any kind. (2) stated in a very close-minded manner (3) been presented while acknowledgeing your lack of knowledge of dc.

i know ss VERY well. i know the versatility of the pc, ss's embarrassing losses and his better showings. ss beats superman if he is the standard version. THIS version is significantly more powerful and allowing for the motherbox to be used to its fullest potential gives supes access to a LOAD of powers he would not otherwise possess, some of which i mentioned pages back.

ss will NOT transmute motherbox.

ss will NOT tranmute superman.

ss will not win this by simply blasting away, something easily countered by his own energy powers and heightened durability. (and his durability is ridiculous in the standard version). not to mention: MB DOES heal at an incredible rate.

a k-nite box won't mean jack to someone who simply teleports out of it, or phases through it. k-nite's effects are greatly exaggerated on the STANDARD superman -- he has fought guys in his league while k-nite poison has been in his BLOODSTREAM. ss's blasts are great, but supes durability is retarded and even MORE retarded with the box. speed is a draw. you say anything supes does, ss can counter. i say supes can do the same thing. all his own powers amped, + a computer to help him strategize, + all the new abilities a MB grants would be enough imo for him to take a majority in this battle.

Supes for the win.

I disagree Leo...

IMO,

H/P Supes should take this.... The MB is more powerful then many people realize.

Originally posted by Priest
Supes for the win.

your sig ftw.

Originally posted by llagrok
your sig ftw.

Originally posted by Priest
thanx! the art is crazy, i just had to crop it from requiem 3..
great story so far 😄

Agreed. I wonder if it's canon tho :/