You're Favorite Sith Lord

Originally posted by Darth Hord
And the exile defeated atris but revan defeated a star forge powered bastilla, and multiple tarentateks, 2 of which by himself.

Bastilla, wasn't as knowledgable or as experienced in the Jedi arts as Atris. Also, Atris had been in the dark side longer than Bastila. Lastly, Atris was also empowered by several dark side holocrons.

And the SF was factory powered by the ds, why is it that people try to make it out as if the SF was a dark side generator?

It wasn't a dark side generator, it had to be infused with the dark side energy, it didn't produce any ds force energy on its own.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Except you have no idea what they know, so don't try to pass off your opinion as a basis for your 'argument'.

😆

I just stated what they actually said, not what I think they know. Vrook feared giving the Exile the true reason for her Exile because he was afraid the Exile would use her 'wound' against the Jedi. As he says" such truths would leave us vulnerable on both fronts".

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except they are gameplay. Try again.

No one denies that, but they are also a CONSTANT part of the narrative and as such form part of the canon of Kotor 2. Kotor 2 is an authority on it's own original characters, dialogue and narrative - so the 3 lightsaber forms are canon - unless stated otherwise in a higher source.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And you've missed the entire point of my argument. Did you play Kotor
Except the JCW is entering its final stages when Revan is captured. Since you stated Revan never really fought in the JCW, your assumption was false..

So you misunderstood me. I never said Revan never participated in the JCW, I said he never participated in the JCW during Kotor 1 except at the SF. What he did before his capture is unknown, except that we know he strategized and killed Yusanis in single combat.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yet again, none of her "kills", whichever ones are actually canon, show anything above average.

But of course they do. She killed three powerful Sith. And defeated many dark jedi, soldiers, mercenaries and thugs despite being significantly outnumbered in most cases, nothing average their. Unless you have an example of several average Jedi accomplishing such feats. Revan did no more than this, but he gets the benefit of the doubt from your seemingly incredibly high, but biased standards. Stop the double standards.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except Revan defeated his enemies PERSONALLY, while the exile defeated them through circumstances. This just proves how stupid you really are.

So beating Kreia and Sion were not personal? I don't remember her using anything but her own power to defeat them. Whether through skill, intelligence and power, she defeated both of them.

And don't bring up idiotic remarks like "Kreia held back" - when there's not a shred of evidence to back up your claim.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Your argument is defeated again. Shut up.

And you're proving your limitations again.

If you have nothing NEW to bring to this debate, I suggest you stop spamming the thread. But you're welcome to continue, that's only a suggestion.

Originally posted by Allankles
Bastilla, wasn't as knowledgable or as experienced in the Jedi arts as Atris. Also, Atris had been in the dark side longer than Bastila. Lastly, Atris was also empowered by several dark side holocrons.

And the SF was factory powered by the ds, why is it that people try to make it out as if the SF was a dark side generator?

It wasn't a dark side generator, it had to be infused with the dark side energy, it didn't produce any ds force energy on its own.

I wasn't saying that the sf generated ds rather that it helped her in he fight against Revan. Bastila's exact quote on the star forge the power of the star forge re-energizes me....she says it after her "2nd defeat" then she regained her health.

Oh! Darth Hord, I forgot to mention you don't have to kill Terekanets in Kotor 1 to get by the tomb. Lastly, outside of gameplay killing Terekanets would be relatively easy for a powerful Jedi. All it takes is one well placed lightsaber strike. Besides that why don't you mention the Storm beasts the Exile fights in Kotor 2? They both fought different creatures through both games but these are the only two incidents where they were alone when fighting them.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
I wasn't saying that the sf generated ds rather that it helped her in he fight against Revan. Bastila's exact quote on the star forge the power of the star forge re-energizes me....she says it after her "2nd defeat" then she regained her health.

Of course but it's common for a dark sider to be energized by a place infused with ds energy. Sion, Kreia and Atris all undergo similar experiences, with Sion and Kreia being powered by the ds on Malachor.

All I'm saying is that people who mention the SF TEND to make it seem like the SF was a ds generator.

Originally posted by Allankles
Oh! Darth Hord, I forgot to mention you don't have to kill Terekanets in Kotor 1 to get by the tomb. Lastly, outside of gameplay killing Terekanets would be relatively easy for a powerful Jedi. All it takes is one well placed lightsaber strike. Besides that why don't you mention the Storm beasts the Exile fights in Kotor 2? They both fought different creatures through both games but these are the only two incidents where they were alone when fighting them.

I forgot the storm beast because i haven't played kotor 2 as much as i did kotor 1 since it does not work in my 360 for some reason as well as kotor 1 does. (it is SO slow during a battle it is ridiculous)

And the reason i placed them there was because there are force resistant and bred to kill jedi. And getting that one well placed lightsaber strike is not that easy since we seen what once can do by themselves against a jedi. (Duron and his companions) It is true that you don't have to kill them but i said it like that cause i don't see revan,the exile or any powerful jedi running away from them. But i don't want to get into an argument about something that ridiculous.

Originally posted by Allankles
😆

No one denies that, but they are also a CONSTANT part of the narrative and as such form part of the canon of Kotor 2. Kotor 2 is an authority on it's own original characters, dialogue and narrative - so the 3 lightsaber forms are canon - unless stated otherwise in a higher source.

Originally posted by Allankles
Also, Atris had been in the dark side longer than Bastila. Lastly, Atris was also empowered by several dark side holocrons.

Originally posted by Thiru
Where was this stated?

Atris has been meddling in the Sith arts ever since Malak's attacks on Dantooine - that's 5 years before Kotor 2. In fact it is stated, she knew the attack was coming before hand and had the Jedi and Sith holocrons moved to her Telos academy, as well as other holocrons from across the galaxy.

Two, she always regreted never participating in the wars and devoted the years after the JCW learning force and combat techniques. Besides that she was a chronicler for a number of years and was older and had been a Jedi longer than Bastila (she may even be considerably older than both the Exile and Revan).

She had fallen to the dark side for a number of years, while Bastila had been turned for only a number of days.

Originally posted by Thiru
And that also equates the dantooine battle to being a very small scale one consisting of 30 soldiers which appeared in the [b]cut scenes . Just accept this allankles, [/B]

And the cutscene is canon how? All it shows is an INITIAL scuffle of the Dantooine battle. You fail tremendously again. The cutscene is no indication of the entire battle.

Originally posted by Allankles
And the cutscene is canon how? All it shows is an INITIAL scuffle of the Dantooine battle. You fail tremendously again. The cutscene is no indication of the entire battle.

And cutscenes ARE whats canon in the game. Accept it son, move on with life

Originally posted by Allankles
Atris has been meddling in the Sith arts ever since Malak's attacks on Dantooine - that's 5 years before Kotor 2. In fact it is stated, she knew the attack was coming before hand and had the Jedi and Sith holocrons moved to her Telos academy, as well as other holocrons from across the galaxy.

Two, she always regreted never participating in the wars and devoted the years after the JCW learning force and combat techniques. Besides that she was a chronicler for a number of years and was older and had been a Jedi longer than Bastila (she may even be considerably older than both the Exile and Revan).

She had fallen to the dark side for a number of years, while Bastila had been turned for only a number of days.

Originally posted by Allankles
Of course but it's common for a dark sider to be energized by a place infused with ds energy. Sion, Kreia and Atris all undergo similar experiences, with Sion and Kreia being powered by the ds on Malachor.

All I'm saying is that people who mention the SF TEND to make it seem like the SF was a ds generator.

Apart from her force based attacks getting boosted by the presence of strong dark side energies on the Star Forge by default, the superweapon acted like a healing mechanism for her. Whenever, she was nearly getting worn out during the combat against Revan, Star Forge re-energized her directly through energy beams so that she would be quickly back to perfect condition once again.

Without this kind of support, Bastilla stood no chance against Revan in single combat.

So there is indeed a notable difference in this case.

Originally posted by Thiru
Wrong again, the cut scenes showed everything, Do you have any proof that the battle was any larger than it was? Please? Quotes? Sources? Even non gameplay mechanics says your wrong, there was no orbital bombardment, neither were there planetary defences, military tanks.

And where's the proof that that was the entire battle? I remember Azkul breaking into the administration building, when did the cutscene's show that? The cutscene isn't even meant to be an accurate representation it merely there to demonstrate how the mercenaries outnumber the Dantooine militia.

Second, Azkul talks about the turrets mowing down a large percentage of his men, the cutscenes don't even show that.

Third, the battle from the perspective of the cutscenes is smaller than a scuffle of 20 - 30, but the game never tries to make an accurate measure of the number of soldiers on both sides.

Originally posted by Thiru
[B]And cutscenes ARE whats canon in the game. Accept it son, move on with life.

Of course cutscenes are canon, but they're not canon when it comes to numerical measurements. Where's the cutscene that shows hundreds of dark jedi and Sith soldiers fighting on the SF? The gameplay never shows such numbers and neither do the cutscenes. And you know why? Software limitations.

Originally posted by Thiru
[B]That doesnt state how or why she was empowered by the holocrons

Why wouldn't she be empowered by holocrons infused with the dark side energy of dead Sith Lords? The point of the matter, is that the holocrons did empower her, as she quite clearly confirms in the second part of the duel with the Exile.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The presence of strong dark side energies on a planet or an object do boost the energies of Sith Lords stationed on such regions by default, when they call upon the force to use in combat situations in such regions. But what Star Forge did to Bastilla was something different, when she faced Revan.

Apart from her force based attacks getting boosted by the presence of strong dark side energies on the Star Forge by default, the superweapon acted like a healing mechanism for her. Whenever, she was nearly getting worn out during the combat against Revan, Star Forge re-energized her directly through energy beams so that she would be quickly back to perfect condition once again.

Without this kind of support, Bastilla stood no chance against Revan in single combat.

So there is indeed a notable difference in this case.

My friend, being re-energized so to speak is a default perk of being fueled by the dark side energy of a planet or artifact. It isn't unique to the SF, that's just Bastila voicing the benefits of being on a place infused with the ds.

Originally posted by Allankles
And where's the proof that that was the entire battle? I remember Azkul breaking into the administration building, when did the cutscene's show that? The cutscene isn't even meant to be an accurate representation it merely there to demonstrate how the mercenaries outnumber the Dantooine militia.

Second, Azkul talks about the turrets mowing down a large percentage of his men, the cutscenes don't even show that.

Third, the battle from the perspective of the cutscenes is smaller than a scuffle of 20 - 30, but the game never tries to make an accurate measure of the number of soldiers on both sides.

But my original claim is that it isn't a full scale big ass war as you tried to put it. Firstly the battle field is so small so how can a large scale battle take place? Secondly the exile was in the building at the time of the battle i believe(i could be wrong) killing the soldiers and azkul who infiltrated the building.

[/B][/QUOTE]

RAGNOS IS THE BEST SITH LORD EVER!

Darth Exodus/Exile+Revan are my Favorites
Then its Bane
Then its Exar Kun

As much as it pains me to admit it, The Exile is at least as good as Revan and probably better.
She did fight her way through a whole temple of Sith, defeat Sion at least 3 times straight and the take on Kriea and her levitating lightsabers. Single handedly
Even if she isn't as powerful as Revan yet she soon will be. As I have stated already she drains power from death so she pretty much has no limits.
However Revan did have 5 years to train in in which time we don't know how strong she got. We also only saw her with minimal training and she still pwned everyone.

Well i changed my list

1.Vader
2.Darth bane and exar kun
3. sidious.

And despite this i still respect canon.

my fav sith Lord was Bane, definitely. But even though he was an apprentice, YOu have to love Maul. He and Siidous were the ultimate evil. The perfect Sith WOOT!

No. Revan and Bastila are the best team. Force-bond