Originally posted by ThiruI'm pretty sure that Kreia or Visas said it. Also, he doesn't target the planet, only the inhabitants.
Source?An entire planet provides more energy than a few mere jedi and nihilus wouldnt have to expend energy travelling across a galaxy just to look for a petty jedi to kill
Originally posted by Violent2DopeSo he drains whats on the planet? Hmm i guess allankes is a big fkin liar now
I'm pretty sure that Kreia or Visas said it. Also, he doesn't target the planet, only the inhabitants.
Because if he actually rips the life force out of planets, he would have done so on dark side rich worlds such as yavin malachor, korriban and so on
Originally posted by ThiruYeah, he only does it to inhabitants. I don't know what he's talkin about.
So he drains whats on the planet? Hmm i guess allankes is a big fkin liar nowBecause if he actually rips the life force out of planets, he would have done so on dark side rich worlds such as yavin malachor, korriban and so on
Originally posted by Allankles
How is it not part of canon when it's part of the canonical story? Stop pretending to be objective, you prove your bias with every passing reply. Unless the statement is retconned in another story or a source book, it remains as it is, canon.
And that's not likely to happen, source books merely expand on the character and another story retconning this, is very unlikely. You haven't pwned anyone but yourself, But you can continue writing this irrelevant post, just makes it easier for me.
Yea, easier to get pwned and then lie to yourself, like you've been doing for weeks.
Originally posted by Allankles
Which facts? Don't confuse your biased opinion with fact. Every single argument you've brought that had a shred of substance I countered.
Of course I wouldn't but it's never come up to you apparently. You wouldn't know a debate if it kicked you in the gonards and asked you to kiss it's ass.
Not really I was being modest. She's blatanly put on the same pedestal as Revan.
It's good you've acknowledged your limiataions. 😆 But I don't consider you a debater and what we're doing now isn't what I'd consider debating. The debate ended many pages ago, when you stopped forming actual arguments.
I've defeated virtually every argument you've dared bring up. And if you admitted my superiority over you, I would think you had your brain rewired. You're not doing anything remarkable stating this, your ego remains and your points continue to lack any relevance to the arguments I've made.
Way to go showing your limitations. It would be too much to expect for you to actually attack my points with a counterargument. But your welcome to you use the cop out, "you're an idiot" response. At least I know my capacity to debate is above yours.
I didn't just call bs, I defeated your argument, then called bs, like any competent debater would do. You on the other hand, can only rely on poorly constructed insults, the kind my five year old cousin could come up with, without trying.
Who's wasting bandwidth? You're the one who spends his time writing statements that have no relevance to the deabate (and of course I'm only doing the same responding to your garbage).
I was getting tired of calling you a poor debater, when you don't actually debate. These insults do nothing but hide your inability to provide substantial content in your so called"arguments". And I've insulted you better than this even in this thread, why don't pick up on those insults instead? There was certainly more creativty there.
Any more irrelevance or has the well of bs dried out?
Originally posted by Thiru
So he drains whats on the planet? Hmm i guess allankes is a big fkin liar nowBecause if he actually rips the life force out of planets, he would have done so on dark side rich worlds such as yavin malachor, korriban and so on
How has this changed what I've been saying? If the planet has no life then he simply can't drain it, therefore any planet devoid of life won't be drainable.
He drained every single living thing on Katarr, he left the planet devoid of life which is my point. He possesses the power to breach a planets life from the force, how the hell does this become difficult to understand? If the planet has no life, then he won't be able to breach it's connection to the force.
And how do you know Nihilus can't drain Korriban Saxy? More retard speculations for the masses?
Kreia said he would turn on the Sith once he was done with the Jedi and the galaxy.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except you haven't countered a damn thing, nor have you made a cogent argument, while I have pwned your 'argument' this week, last week, last month, and anytime we've debated. You lying to yourself has given this forum more humor.
I've countered any and every post you've come up with that contained any semblance of an actual argument, and not merely a baseless declaration (e.g. what you're doing now). Declaring "you've pwned me", when I've beaten you form pillar to post anytime we've addressed the points of the debate, tells me you've got an oversized ego. It also tells me that you don't realize that empty declarations don't mean a thing in a debate.
This is childish, you don't like that I can make a claim and actually back it up with an argument, so you settle for the childish insults. How about you keep a civil debate until we arrive at an inpass? Why jump to isnults, unless you're hiding an inability to come up with substantial arguments?
I'll write my concluding argument to summarize this.
Revan's :- He's power and status is stated in third party sources. By Vrook, Kreia and Mandalore.
Led the Republic to victory in the Mando Wars
Defeated Malak, Uthar and Bandon
Defeated a tribe of Dark Rakata
Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on the SF
Resisted the ds on Malachor
Exile:- Her status and power is stated in third party sources. By Vrook (states she grows more powerful with every kill because her wound), Kreia and Mandalore (states that the Exile was equally as impressive as Revan)
A feared and respected general of the Mando Wars
Defeated Traya, Sion and Nihilus.
Defeated the Exchange on Narshadda and ended the slave trade.
Ended the Mercenary invasion on Dantooine.
Ended the civil war on Onderon.
Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on Malachor 5 single handedly.
So, based on third party support (for the Exile being an equal), and equal if not greater feats overall, my argument still stands.
But Saxy merely replies, "except that her feats aren't comparable...blah blah bs bs bs. As usual Saxy initiated the irrelvant insults, probably trying to hide his limitations.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Defeating Nihilus shouldn't be counted as a feat, he was doubly weakened and she had 2 people to help her.
Well she weakened Nihilus (or Nihilus weakened himself thanks to the Exile) to the point where she had a chance to fight him and win.
And the two people helping the Exile weren't powerhouses. Technically the Exile brought about Nihilus' demise, so I include him. If not for the Exile, Nihilus would have destroyed the Republic force on Telos as well as all the Telosians, bearing that in mind Nihilus is counted.
Originally posted by Allankles1. He was weakened before even confronting Exile. Visas says that he is suffering from his hunger, and she should know this, as they share a Force Bond I think. Then he weakened himself.
Well she weakened Nihilus (or Nihilus weakened himself thanks to the Exile) to the point where she had a chance to fight him and win.And the two people helping the Exile weren't powerhouses. Technically the Exile brought about Nihilus' demise, so I include him. If not for the Exile, Nihilus would have destroyed the Republic force on Telos as well as all the Telosians, bearing that in mind Nihilus is counted.
2. It was still 3 vs. 1 weakened individual.
Originally posted by Allankles
You haven't come up with a half intelligent insult, why would I repeat what you say? I use my own wording and my own style, not your spastic retarded rhetoric.
Regardless of what you think of my insults, all you are doing is repeating what I say. The fact that you are in denial about your surroundings makes you a truly sad human being.
Originally posted by Allankles
[B]I've countered any and every post you've come up with that contained any semblance of an actual argument, and not merely a baseless declaration (e.g. what you're doing now). Declaring "you've pwned me", when I've beaten you form pillar to post anytime we've addressed the points of the debate, tells me you've got an oversized ego. It also tells me that you don't realize that empty declarations don't mean a thing in a debate.
This is childish, you don't like that I can make a claim and actually back it up with an argument, so you settle for the childish insults. How about you keep a civil debate until we arrive at an inpass? Why jump to isnults, unless you're hiding an inability to come up with substantial arguments?
Revan's :- He's power and status is stated in third party sources. By Vrook, Kreia and Mandalore.
Led the Republic to victory in the Mando WarsDefeated Malak, Uthar and Bandon
Defeated a tribe of Dark Rakata
Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on the SF
Resisted the ds on Malachor
Exile:- Her status and power is stated in third party sources. By Vrook (states she grows more powerful with every kill because her wound), Kreia and Mandalore (states that the Exile was equally as impressive as Revan)A feared and respected general of the Mando Wars
Defeated Traya, Sion and Nihilus.
Defeated the Exchange on Narshadda and ended the slave trade.
Ended the Mercenary invasion on Dantooine.
Ended the civil war on Onderon.
Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on Malachor 5 single handedly.
So, based on third party support (for the Exile being an equal), and equal if not greater feats overall, my argument still stands.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe drained what was on katarr, he didnt actually kill the planet itself. Korriban, malachor, yavin and countless other dark side rich worlds were avalible and nearer to him, so why didnt he drain the planet itself which provides far more energy than a few mere jedi? Simply because he cant, He just goto worlds where there are fore sentivives and then kills them.\
How has this changed what I've been saying? If the planet has no life then he simply can't drain it, therefore any planet devoid of life won't be drainable.He drained every single living thing on Katarr, he left the planet devoid of life which is my point. He possesses the power to breach a planets life from the force, how the hell does this become difficult to understand? If the planet has no life, then he won't be able to breach it's connection to the force.
If he could actually drain planets, malachor ziost and countless others would have perished
Originally posted by AllanklesHow do you know he can?
And how do you know Nihilus can't drain Korriban Saxy? More retard speculations for the masses?
Kreia said he would turn on the Sith once he was done with the Jedi and the galaxy. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by AllanklesUnder circumstancesDefeated Traya, Sion and Nihilus.
Originally posted by AllanklesI lol'ed on that one, any jedi could accomplish that feat
Defeated the Exchange on Narshadda and ended the slave trade.
Originally posted by AllanklesWith the help of vrook, the royalist army and queen talia, she didnt do it herself
Ended the Mercenary invasion on Dantooine.Ended the civil war on Onderon.
Originally posted by AllanklesAnd just how good were those dark jedi?
Defeated a number of Dark Jedi on Malachor 5 single handedly.
Originally posted by Allankles
So, based on third party support (for the Exile being an equal), and equal if not greater feats overall, my argument still stands.
You ever read POD? The omniscient narrator stated that there are techniques revan knows that so many sith masters wouldnt even dare to do and the fact that it was stated he holds more knowledge of the force than an entire academy
Originally posted by Thiru
Under circumstancesI lol'ed on that one, any jedi could accomplish that feat
Not really, but it qualifies as a big a achievement. Zez Kai Ell wasn't quick to stop the slave trafficking, and would likely have been defeated by one of Visquis schemes if he tried. That's a bold statement to make, given how many Jedi would actually be killed if they were up against the Exchange.
Originally posted by Thiru
With the help of vrook, the royalist army and queen talia, she didnt do it herself
How does this change the fact that the Exile ended the war? She turned the tide of the conflict. It's like me mentioning that Revan never defeated the dark Jedi on the SF without Republic assistance, nor defeat the Rakata tribe without his companions. It's redundant. The point is that he made the key difference, as did the Exile in this case.
Originally posted by Thiru
And just how good were those dark jedi?
And just how good were the unknown, nameless dark jedi that Revan killed? Stop asking redundant questions, I don't remember stating that they were the greatest of foes, merely that it was impressive to kill quite a number on her own. I hate to say this again, but please try to come up with a rebuttal that's not irrelevant.
Originally posted by Thiru
Except for the fact that most of her "feats" were not accomplished by herself, onderon, telos, dantooine?
Neither were Revan's. Winning a war, you need competent General's who'll employ the right tactics on the field. To defeat masses of enemies Revan, had companions and the Republic on the SF.
You failed to see the redundancy of your arguments because you have a bias.
Originally posted by Thiru
You ever read POD? The omniscient narrator stated that there are techniques revan knows that so many sith masters wouldnt even dare to do and the fact that it was stated he holds more knowledge of the force than an [b] entire academy [/B]
The magnitude of the statement is lessened by the use of Bane's POV as a measure. Secondly, rituals don't apply to personal power. A ritual functions using groups of people, the process doesn't involve a single person e.g. a thought bomb. Rituals can't be used in single combat, so they aren't of any significance to Revan's personal power.
Originally posted by Thiru
He drained what was on katarr, he didnt actually kill the planet itself. Korriban, malachor, yavin and countless other dark side rich worlds were avalible and nearer to him, so why didnt he drain the planet itself which provides far more energy than a few mere jedi? Simply because he cant, He just goto worlds where there are fore sentivives and then kills them.\
Who used the wording "killed a planet"? And worlds with force sensitives are timming with life. He leaves planets devoid of all life i.e. he breaches the connection between a planet's LIFE and the force. Katarr was world rich with life, yet all the organism that existed within it died.
So, it's not just force sensitives that die but all life on the planet he drains. Which is why I said he servers the connection between the planet's life and the force i.e. every life form the planet sustains is killed, leaving the world barren and effectively dead.
I also said, neither Revan and Kun have shown the latent dark side power required to perfom this.
Originally posted by Thiru
If he could actually drain planets, malachor ziost and countless others would have perished
How do you know he can?
Are Malachor and Ziost timming with life? You don't seem to get it, if the planet supports a great deal of life Nihilus will drain it. It's not about DS energy (he gets that by causing force breaches) it's about the life the planet has, force sensitives are simply more enriching to him (as is shown when he's prepared to drain Telos even though it has no Jedi).
Originally posted by Thiru[/B][/QUOTE]
Kreia said he would turn on the Sith once he was done with the Jedi and the galaxy.
Did you forget to delete this? I wrote the exact same thing.