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DigiMark007 Forum Leader

Originally posted by Leobama
I really don't see how Thor could beat the Surfer myself. I haven't read the comics that you fellas are referring to, but going strictly by their powersets, I personally feel that the surfer should win everytime if not the majority of vs. battles between the two. But that's my opinion.

Thor's energy-soak with Mjolnir is beyond epic, and he can return it 100x stronger against his opponent. Surfer's main attacks are energy-based. He doesn't even need to directly "catch" the energy with Mjolnir...he's repeatedly absorbed energy simply from around him, even while it's directed at him in an attack.

So it's not a walk in the park. Surfer takes a majority, but he has to be creative.

Leobama Senior Member

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thor's energy-soak with Mjolnir is beyond epic, and he can return it 100x stronger against his opponent. Surfer's main attacks are energy-based. He doesn't even need to directly "catch" the energy with Mjolnir...he's repeatedly absorbed energy simply from around him, even while it's directed at him in an attack.
So it's not a walk in the park. Surfer takes a majority, but he has to be creative.

Thanks for educating me. I didn't know Thor could do that.

Superman XX5 Junior Member

I hate doing the photobucket thing but this is really cool. surfer survives 6 ICBMs that destroyed thousands of miles of earth and all of russia.
Not a scratch on him

darthgoober Senior Member

Ok Surfer fans I got some good news and bad news. When reading through Marvel Saga 25 I discoverd two rectons from the initial story featuring Surfer and the FF.

Recton 1 (the good news)- Thing didn't KO Surfer when he tagged him from behind, Surfer was only staggered...

Original...
[img=http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8476/fantasticfour4906ih8.th.jpg]

Recton...
[img=http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3734/themarvelsaga25bookxxv1ej7.th.jpg]

Recton 2 (the bad news)- Surfer didn't lose any actual power when he was trapped on Earth by Galactus(but as far as I know his being weakened by the Sonic Shark is still valid)...

[img=http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7378/themarvelsaga25bookxxv2jo8.th.jpg]

Now that recton is from December 1987, so if anyone knows of anything suggesting Surfer being weakened after that I'd like to know about it because it would constitute Marvel "rectoning it back" and I'm all for that.

Zack Fair Fanboy

Surfer is badass.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok Surfer fans I got some good news and bad news. When reading through Marvel Saga 25 I discoverd two rectons from the initial story featuring Surfer and the FF.
[B]Recton 2 (the bad news)- Surfer didn't lose any actual power when he was trapped on Earth by Galactus(but as far as I know his being weakened by the Sonic Shark is still valid)...
[img=http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7378/themarvelsaga25bookxxv2jo8.th.jpg]
Now that recton is from December 1987, so if anyone knows of anything suggesting Surfer being weakened after that I'd like to know about it because it would constitute Marvel "rectoning it back" and I'm all for that. [/B]

So was Silver Surfer series 1 all retconned then?? There it was mentioned, twice actually that his far from what he was before when in Galactus service... hmmm, hmmm....

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ambient
So was Silver Surfer series 1 all retconned then?? There it was mentioned, twice actually that his far from what he was before when in Galactus service... hmmm, hmmm....

IDK. Maybe they just rectoned out Galactus being the primary source for his deportment in favor of the Sonic Shark...

My advice is to let common sense be your guide and take the era with a grain of salt since no details were forthcoming in the recton.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok Surfer fans I got some good news and bad news. When reading through Marvel Saga 25 I discoverd two rectons from the initial story featuring Surfer and the FF.
[B]Recton 1 (the good news)- Thing didn't KO Surfer when he tagged him from behind, Surfer was only staggered...
Original...
[img=http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8476/fantasticfour4906ih8.th.jpg]

I really don't see any recton seem like the same story being told a bit differently I mean look at this picture matches picture for picture and word for word.

this is the original picture from FF 49

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by kgkg
I really don't see any recton seem like the same story being told a bit differently I mean look at this picture matches picture for picture and word for word.
this is the original picture from FF 49

You're looking at the wrong part. The recton is in the text above the first panel. In the original story it talks about Surfer regaining consciousness, which means that he was KO'd. In the recton, it doesn't mention his regaining consciousness and just says he was staggered.

Cavalier tu quoqumber

Retcon 1 doesn't say he wasn't KO'd, only that he eventually wound his way over to Alicia's place.

It doesn't have Surfer waking up there, granted, but it doesn't say he was only dazed.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Cavalier
Retcon 1 doesn't say he wasn't KO'd, only that he eventually wound his way over to Alicia's place.
It doesn't have Surfer waking up there, granted, but it doesn't say he was only dazed.

It says he was staggered by the combination of Things blow and the fall, if he was staggered by the fall than he wasn't KO'd at any point because stagger means "to move unsteadily" and that not a fitting description for someone who's unconscious. I mean if you want to get technical it COULD, but it doesn't really seem to fit.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're looking at the wrong part. The recton is in the text above the first panel. In the original story it talks about Surfer regaining consciousness, which means that he was KO'd. In the recton, it doesn't mention his regaining consciousness and just says he was staggered.

I looked at that part but again like I was saying it's more like rewording if we look at the image he still looked K.O'ed even in that "recton" as he did in the original. Sure it may it sound better with "staggered" than

I don't think Marvel tried to recton anything, it's just us looking to deeply into minor details. Either way it's pretty bad showing but these are his first few showing so I wouldn't take anything to seriously.

But thats just IMO 🙂

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by kgkg
I looked at that part but again like I was saying it's more like rewording if we look at the image he still looked K.O'ed even in that "recton" as he did in the original. Sure it may it sound better with "staggered" than
I don't think Marvel tried to recton anything, it's just us looking to deeply into minor details. Either way it's pretty bad showing but these are his first few showing so I wouldn't take anything to seriously.
But thats just IMO 🙂

He still looked KO'd because they used all they same pics from the original story and that's the way he originally looked. He's not KO'd in that pic like he was in the original though, he'd already landed somewhere else and made his way to Alicia's skylight and was looking down through it. Why alter the story in a retelling like that unless you're actually altering the story?

ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by Ambient
So was Silver Surfer series 1 all retconned then?? There it was mentioned, twice actually that his far from what he was before when in Galactus service... hmmm, hmmm....

Im wonderin the same thing. Was SS somehow confused when he talked about his power?

Meh. the writing in those days was all over the place.

Cavalier tu quoqumber

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why alter the story in a retelling like that unless you're actually altering the story?

They might have realized that Ben punching Surfer hard enough to make Surfer fly through the air and land on the skylight might have either shattered the skylight or made a loud enough noise to make Alicia realize what was up.

I don't think Marvel really cares about whether Surfer was KO'd or "dazed".

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by darthgoober
He still looked KO'd because they used all they same pics from the original story and that's the way he originally looked. , he'd already landed somewhere else and made his way to Alicia's skylight and was looking down through it. Why alter the story in a retelling like that unless you're actually altering the story?

if they wanted to Recton you would think they would at least change images etc , at least they changed the colors in Marvel Saga

He's not KO'd in that pic like he was in the original though

In the pic he looks the same , either way i see both as extreme bad feat for early day surfer.

out of curiosity did you read any editor/writers that have mention that retcon will be in Marvel Saga?

reading the Marvel Saga and the Original stories are near identically with few word changes

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Cavalier
They might have realized that Ben punching Surfer hard enough to make Surfer fly through the air and land on the skylight might have either shattered the skylight or made a loud enough noise to make Alicia realize what was up.
I don't think Marvel really cares about whether Surfer was KO'd or "dazed".

I don't doubt Marvel as a whole not caring, but for a later writer who was retelling the story using the same panels... I can see him taking the 5 minutes necessary to come up with a way to edit out a piece of bad writing.

Originally posted by kgkg
if they wanted to Recton you would think they would at least change images etc , at least they changed the colors in Marvel Saga

That's not what they did in Marvel Saga though, they used the same pics all the time if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by kgkg
In the pic he looks the same , either way i see both as extreme bad feat for early day surfer.

Yes he looks the same, but in the original telling he was waking up in the pic and in the second he was just looking down through the window after being staggered by the blow. You're right in saying that it's still bad, but it's not anywhere near AS bad.

Originally posted by kgkg
out of curiosity did you read any editor/writers that have mention that retcon will be in Marvel Saga?

Not that I know of, but I first heard about it on CBR so you might ask there if you're that interested.

Originally posted by kgkg
reading the Marvel Saga and the Original stories are near identically with few word changes

Which only supports the KO being written out of the story since that part was omitted in the retelling.

kgkg Vigilante

Duplicates atom to atom 🙂

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B] Not that I know of, but I first heard about it on CBR so you might ask there if you're that interested.

Ohh ok

Which only supports the KO being written out of the story since that part was omitted in the retelling

I guess
Interesting info at start of Marvel Saga 25(the recton scans you posted says) excerpted material from original issues.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by kgkg
Interesting info at start of Marvel Saga 25(the recton scans you posted says) excerpted material from original issues.

Yeah, did you not know that?